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The Official World Cup 2006 Thread

Chundles said:
This is the reason football has never really taken off down here, we don't respect nor admire players who fall down at the drop of a hat and whinge and moan to get penalties. This current Socceroos squad may have been disadvantaged by the brand of football they play but it was tough, strong and most definitely not dirty. So long as the game is dominated by long-haired pretty boy pansies it will never be as popular as it could be here.
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I don't think anybody was implying they were playing dirty. Most complaints are for poor refereeing (for both sides). Players only go for the fall because they can get away with it. It should be an automatic yellow card (bring on video playback for a 5th ref!).

But about them being pansies, I'm quite sure a bad tackle can really hurt. I mean they aren't exactly walking with soft slippers on their feet. ;)
 
whocares said:
I don't think anybody was implying they were playing dirty. Most complaints are for poor refereeing (for both sides). Players only go for the fall because they can get away with it. It should be an automatic yellow card (bring on video playback for a 5th ref!).
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Problem is waiting for video replays would suck.. and break up the game. That is the advantage of all decisions being made there and then, on the pitch.. the game can flow.
 
whocares said:
I don't think anybody was implying they were playing dirty. Most complaints are for poor refereeing (for both sides). Players only go for the fall because they can get away with it. It should be an automatic yellow card (bring on video playback for a 5th ref!).

But about them being pansies, I'm quite sure a bad tackle can really hurt. I mean they aren't exactly walking with soft slippers on their feet. ;)
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I agree, bad tackles will hurt like hell and should be punished, someone falling over and writhing on the ground in "pain" because someone put their hand on their back is just soft and pathetic.

Definitely needs to be some sort of overhaul in the monitoring/refereeing situation.

I'm not going to dispute the result, nothing we can do about that, I'll dispute the penalty on Neill (how can you create a foul when you're stationary on the ground??) but it's too late for that now.
 
whocares said:
I don't think anybody was implying they were playing dirty. Most complaints are for poor refereeing (for both sides). Players only go for the fall because they can get away with it. It should be an automatic yellow card (bring on video playback for a 5th ref!).

But about them being pansies, I'm quite sure a bad tackle can really hurt. I mean they aren't exactly walking with soft slippers on their feet. ;)
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I don't think he was talking only about this game in particular.

It is true that in football players go around diving all over the place. And I have said it a million times by now, it is part of today's professional game.
Players like Figo really make it an art. How irritating it is, it does help you win. They don't care they look like little cry babies, or pansies (which they do) because it somehow is generally accepted.
Trust me I am really annoyed when it happens. But there is no team I know of that doesn't have one or more players that cheat this way. But he's right: they do look like panies. Especially if they do their hair on the field aswell.
 
XIII said:
Problem is waiting for video replays would suck.. and break up the game. That is the advantage of all decisions being made there and then, on the pitch.. the game can flow.
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I think that they shouldn't start using video replays because soccer should be a sport that doesn't depend on technology. It's just a ball and shin guards. Sure the balls can change, but not really that much. I say leave video replays for the sports that necessarily depend on technology like football (American), and hockey.
 
XIII said:
Problem is waiting for video replays would suck.. and break up the game. That is the advantage of all decisions being made there and then, on the pitch.. the game can flow.
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Let the game flow and come back to the foul if necessary. With a time cap for the video ref to make a decision it should be ok.

My .02€

Macaddicttt said:
I think that they shouldn't start using video replays because soccer should be a sport that doesn't depend on technology. It's just a ball and shin guards. Sure the balls can change, but not really that much. I say leave video replays for the sports that necessarily depend on technology like football (American), and hockey.
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And rugby? :confused:
 
I can't really comment on the sending off or the general performance of either team as I only got back from work in time to catch the final five minutes or so – but I did see the penalty decision and I think the Australians were badly done by there.
 
XIII said:
Problem is waiting for video replays would suck.. and break up the game. That is the advantage of all decisions being made there and then, on the pitch.. the game can flow.
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fully agree... firstly would change the game we love and secondly it is one reason why it is so popular... decisions are all part of the game, they get people talking about the game...

I for one love it... because if it was the aussies that got that kick then they would be loving it.
 
XIII said:
Problem is waiting for video replays would suck.. and break up the game. That is the advantage of all decisions being made there and then, on the pitch.. the game can flow.
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Also as we all know refereeing can suck but its part of the game. Video replys will make everything seem a tad TOO organized.
 
BakedBeans said:
fully agree... firstly would change the game we love and secondly it is one reason why it is so popular... decisions are all part of the game, they get people talking about the game...
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Agreed. But it should be used more as a deterrent to stop all the "falling over". At least at this level of competition.
 
Patmian212 said:
Also as we all know refereeing can suck but its part of the game. Video replys will make everything seem a tad TOO organized.
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I agree. Players make mistakes, coaches make mistakes, and so can the refs.
Problem is that you feel "hard done by" if a mistake by the ref causes your team to loose opposed to a mistake made by a player....
 
Macaddicttt said:
I'd like to, but there isn't much rugby to be watched here in the US. :(
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The World Cup (Rugby) was on PPV in 2003... But I doubt any other rugby gets aired in the States. Maybe the Tri-Nations* and/or 6 Nations (played every year)?



*Southern hemisphere: aussies, kiwis and S. Africans
**Nothern hemisphere: Eire, England, France, Italy, Scotland & Wales
 
Macaddicttt said:
I say leave video replays for the sports that necessarily depend on technology like football (American), and hockey.
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I disagree with the claim that hockey necessarily depends on technology. It was played for many, many years without it. It uses video replay now because it's possible and convenient not because the game depends on it. [I guess the same could be said of American Football, although it hasn't been played for nearly as long.] Care to elaborate why you think so?
 
Chundles said:
Yep, we lost. And that sucks.

Frustrating that we couldn't get any shots in but we dominated the possession of the ball and were by far the more physical side.

I'm so sick of seeing these soft players diving around like little girls just because someone is bigger than them and bumped them a little bit.

This is the reason football has never really taken off down here, we don't respect nor admire players who fall down at the drop of a hat and whinge and moan to get penalties. This current Socceroos squad may have been disadvantaged by the brand of football they play but it was tough, strong and most definitely not dirty. So long as the game is dominated by long-haired pretty boy pansies it will never be as popular as it could be here.

Well done Australia, you came a lot further than I had given you credit for.

And to you, World Football, time to toughen up.
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Agreed. The "dives" also hender the uptake of the sport in the US, IMO, too. I know ref's have to make a split second call but I think I wish a review committee would look over all the penalties in a match and dish out harsh fines to the drama queens.

Taking a dive is against the rules but it's probably least called violation ever which is unfortunate because it basically rewards cheating. Dives that end up in red cards or PKs are the ones that get under my skin the most because the harshest punishment gets pinned on a player that did absolutely nothing wrong. Yet the player that cheated gets a potentially game winning reward for his team.

What's funny is that typically (at least in my youth) soccer in the US was a less physical version of the game so when players went on to play international games they had to learn a more physical style of play or just get bowled over. Now, I think, the physical style of play is "up to par" but the world game is evolving into a "dive centric" style (so the US is behind the curve yet again I guess). Which, IMO, is just pathetic. Yeah, in all sports players try and draw fouls on occasion, especially out of desperation, but when people consistently fall over after failing to win a 50/50 ball it's just absurd and an embarrassment to the sport. Apparently some players take the term "world stage" a bit to literally.


Lethal
 
dejo said:
I disagree with the claim that hockey necessarily depends on technology. It was played for many, many years without it. It uses video replay now because it's possible and convenient not because the game depends on it. [I guess the same could be said of American Football, although it hasn't been played for nearly as long.] Care to elaborate why you think so?
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I think it necessarily depends on technology because the skates get lighter, the blades get better, the sticks start getting made out of carbon material, the pads get better, etc. There's more equipment than just a person and a puck. You've already lost the "purity" of the sport being independent of technology, so why not go all the way and use video, too?

A good solid example is how injuries such as broken bones are way down, but internal and more serious injuries are up because the pads have gotten so much better. A bad hit to an arm won't break it, but the players feel invincible and hit much harder than they could before. Or think of the goalie and how much the game has changed with the changes in their pads.
 
If a committee could look over every game afterwards, and literally give players 3 match bans if it turns out they had dived, that would stop the diving. We could also still have the situation where the referee has full control of the game, and lets in flow.. with the 3 match ban as a deterrent for diving.
 
XIII said:
Problem is waiting for video replays would suck.. and break up the game. That is the advantage of all decisions being made there and then, on the pitch.. the game can flow.
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Flow you mean like people taking dives left and right so there are a number stops to setup un-needed free kicks? Or flow like waiting for the stretcher to come on the field and haul the guy off the field just to have Capt. Drama get back into the game 10 seconds later?

By the time the "injured" player gets up and the ball gets put back into play you could watch the replay a good half dozen times. More than enough to see if the player took a dive or not.


Lethal
 
XIII said:
If a committee could look over every game afterwards, and literally give players 3 match bans if it turns out they had dived, that would stop the diving. We could also still have the situation where the referee has full control of the game, and lets in flow.. with the 3 match ban as a deterrent for diving.
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That's not a bad idea.
You keep the flow of the game, and the result still stands. The deterrent should work!
What to to with a "final" though?
 
MacsRgr8 said:
That's not a bad idea.
You keep the flow of the game, and the result still stands. The deterrent should work!
What to to with a "final" though?
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Yeah, I think XIII has nailed the solution. :D

"final": ban for the team from next World Cup™? :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
LethalWolfe said:
Flow you mean like people taking dives left and right so there are a number stops to setup un-needed free kicks? Or flow like waiting for the stretcher to come on the field and haul the guy off the field just to have Capt. Drama get back into the game 10 seconds later?

By the time the "injured" player gets up and the ball gets put back into play you could watch the replay a good half dozen times. More than enough to see if the player took a dive or not.


Lethal
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LOL!

If you want to use video replays, you have to make strict rules when you can use them. If a ref without any confidence uses it left, right an centre, that'll only be irritating.
But if the foul (or not :p ) already has resulted in the game being stopped anyway, he could use it. Or any foul in the box.
 
OK.

No on to the next one:

Ukraine v Switzerland.

MORE IMPORTANT: Ref: Benito Archundia Tellez, from Mexico

Predictions:

2-1, and 4-2 (so, 2 reds for Ukraine, 1 for Switzerland, and 4 yellows versus 2) :D
 
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