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Martin Jol handed in his resignation before the game and it was accepted.

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Tottenham manager Martin Jol has parted company with the north London club.
Jol tendered his resignation before taking charge for the game against Getafe - a 2-1 defeat in the Uefa Cup.
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BTW the game is till being played so the BBC think tottenham can't pull one back last minute
 
xUKHCx said:
Martin Jol handed in his resignation before the game and it was accepted.
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So he has and it looks like Juande Ramos will be his replacement.

Liverpool's board have stated they are still backing Benitez, thats never a good sign.
 
pknz said:
Liverpool's board have stated they are still backing Benitez, thats never a good sign.
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Not quite how it happened, Tom was asked a question and he said something along the lines of "Rafa is the right man for us, what he has done in the Champions League should be unquestionable".

It's not a case of him having to give reassurance over Rafa's job, Rafa is one if, if not the best coach in Europe over the last 5 seasons. Only Mourinho's record can touch his and we all know how Rafa made Mourinho look a fool on many occasions.

Sometimes it feels like people and the media have only ever watched half a season of football. They judge on a few bad results or a poor bit of form so Rafa has gone from European mastermind to inept to manage in Europe in just three European games. It's truly pathetic. It's fickle. It's embarrassing.

It works the other way, too. Arsenal have been going great guns but people are judging everything after just nine games and fail to see they have played once outside of London or to face anyone really tough.

That brings me quite nicely onto this weekends big fixture; Liverpool vs Arsenal at Anfield. The next two games are two of the most important in a long time for Arsenal Football Club, they have a real chance to kick sand in the face of the doubters (which includes me) if they beat Liverpool and Manchester United. It could be a massive point in the season where they either kick on and challenge for the title or start dropping points and confidence away from home.

It's just as big, if not bigger for Liverpool. It's no shock when I say that we are having a few troubles. In actual fact, it's the worst form I've seen us endure for a long, long time; probably since 2005 where we were an unspeakably weaker squad and really struggled in the league. What might be a surprise though is that we have the best away record in the league; four wins and a draw, two more wins away and we will have equalled last seasons away win stats, and we re still unbeaten. So whilst Arsenal have been doing the business, in style, in London town, we have travelled to away games and picked up our points there.

We are picking up points whilst missing (4) important players, we are turning losses into draws and draws into wins; as any honest Manchester United fan will attest, it's not the 6-0 thrashings and their frequent display's of top quality football that win you the title, it's picking up those scrappy points against tough opposition where you were looking down and out and where your rivals have dropped points. It did them no harm last season and it beat Chelsea to the prize.

The bottom line is that if Liverpool lose, we are 9 points off the race. That's not uncatchable with Arsenal having to play many tough away games but it is a poor position to be in. Whilst if we win, we are 1 point from United and 3 from Arsenal who will have United in the next game. Things will be a lot rosier around Anfield.

Liverpool have missed Torres, Alonso, Agger, Arbeloa and suffered previously with Gerrard and Carragher being injured with broken bones and are still suffering through loss of form on the back of those injuries. I believe this squad is too good to carry on with the form it has, especially with the return of Torres and Alonso this weekend.
 
Can we tempt you into making a prediction for the match? ;)

I’m not thinking there’s a huge gulf between the two sides, but Arsenal are in great form at the moment and confidence is high... I’m going to predict the Gunners will edge a close game 2-1.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
Can we tempt you into making a prediction for the match? ;)

I’m not thinking there’s a huge gulf between the two sides, but Arsenal are in great form at the moment and confidence is high... I’m going to predict the Gunners will edge a close game 2-1.
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0-2, I think Adebayour will run Hyypia ragged.

Come back Agger. We love you.

We have a chance if we play Torres, Babel, Pennant and Alonso. Mascherano must also play. Pennant made young Clichy look like he has the worlds worst positional sense last time at Anfield and Babel can do the same to Eboue/Sagna on the opposite site.

Torres is a threat but just back from injury so we will have to see. First goal wins it.
 
aloofman said:
Not much of a surprise, considering their record. The question is whether the next manager can improve them.
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"Them"? I thought you had chosen Spurs as your team?

Anyway, I watch as much Spanish football as I do English football and can tell you that Ramos is a superb coach. Wether it all turns out for Spurs, I'll have to wait and see, but he did a brilliant job at Sevilla.
 
és: said:
"Them"? I thought you had chosen Spurs as your team?

Anyway, I watch as much Spanish football as I do English football and can tell you that Ramos is a superb coach. Wether it all turns out for Spurs, I'll have to wait and see, but he did a brilliant job at Sevilla.
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I have. But the next manager isn't going to improve me, now is he? :cool:

The last time I saw Sevilla was in the UEFA Cup final, and I think the only other game of theirs I've seen was when they beat Spurs shortly before that. I'm not sure why he would want to though, considering the short-term prospects for each team.

There was a rumor here a week or two ago that Klinsmann was a candidate, but it sounds like he has a laundry list of demands that he'd need first. And what are his motives for managing in the EPL now of all times? He can't manage Spurs from his home in Socal like the German national team.
 
aloofman said:
I have. But the next manager isn't going to improve me, now is he? :cool:
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The correct term in this situation is 'us'. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside with the togetherness of it all. :p

Meanwhile, it appears that Leeds assistant-manager Gus Poyet is being lined up for a coaching role at White Hart Lane. He's denying anything at the moment but he's been asked to stay away from Leeds' lovefest with Millwall tomorrow to avoid 'distracting the players'...
 
Jaffa Cake said:
The correct term in this situation is 'us'. It makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside with the togetherness of it all. :p

Meanwhile, it appears that Leeds assistant-manager Gus Poyet is being lined up for a coaching role at White Hart Lane. He's denying anything at the moment but he's been asked to stay away from Leeds' lovefest with Millwall tomorrow to avoid 'distracting the players'...
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'Us' is the way forward.

Yeah, I noticed about Gus Poyet this afternoon. It's ace when they still deny it. 'I haven't been cheating, but my girlfriend won't let me go home'

Hopefully they'll slump just in time for a week 2mora and we'll knock 6 past em. ;)
 
aloofman said:
I have. But the next manager isn't going to improve me, now is he?
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Sorry, that was a little naive of me. Jaffa is right though, when you talk about the team you support it's 'we' or 'us'... gives an indication of your bias toward a certain club.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
In other news, it's not been a good day for our top-flight clubs looking for new homes. It seems like the cost of Liverpool's Stanley Park has rocketed by £150m,
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My hatred for the BBC is really starting to gather pace. They have no regard for facts at all.

As for our new stadium, it's going to be utterly amazing. I've seen quite a few images of it and it's incredible. All the architectural drawings give a really good look at it.
 
pknz said:
And the young Schmeichel has moved on loan to Cardiff for a month.
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Indeed... and to think he started the season off so nicely too.

Played havoc with my fantasy football selection this week, so it has... :eek:

és:;4392630 said:
My hatred for the BBC is really starting to gather pace. They have no regard for facts at all.
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In relation to the link I posted? Out of interest, which facts are incorrect? My initial thought would be that you're referring to the reported rise in cost, but quite a few sources have quoted this figure today, apparently based on an interview with Mr Hicks...

és:;4392630 said:
As for our new stadium, it's going to be utterly amazing. I've seen quite a few images of it and it's incredible.
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The recent pictures are certainly a lot better than the initial renders that were released a while back. I don't pretend for a moment I've seen anywhere near the number of images you most likely have but what I've seen lately don't look that bad. I've no doubt there'll be quite a few changes between now and construction, though.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
In relation to the link I posted? Out of interest, which facts are incorrect? My initial thought would be that you're referring to the reported rise in cost, but quite a few sources have quoted this figure today, apparently based on an interview with Mr Hicks...
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£400m is correct and I saw the interview that Hicks said about it. The BBC comment is more a long term thing in regards to my growing hatred but £150m is utter crap and is a completely bogus figure.

Years ago when we first started looking at a new stadium we had two choices £55m expansion of Anfield (which was dismissed almost as quickly as it was suggested) and a grant based new stadium in the park. after a few designs and a few more years of pissing about, we decided on a ground that ranged from around 80-100m and we got permission for it (60k seats). It was an average quality, run of the mill, soulless bowl type design that we farted about with planning, funding and grant money for a long long time which saw the costs of the same stadium design go from 100m to around 280m in steel and other building materials and demolition. This figure did not include all the work (to the best of my knowledge) around the park and the large restoration projects that come as part of the deal to let us use the park.

Everything is put on hold because of the club not being able to fund the deal and then the two awesome Americans take the club over and in the space of two months redesign a whole new stadium from an already outdated, second rate stadium to an architectural masterpeice that is unique to the club and that will have a 75-80k capacity and represents our club. They are doing massive regeneration in the area and renovating listed buildings in the new budget that will be around £400m. The price hasn't risen from £280m because it's a completely different project.

The original estimate for the stadium was £300-350m, some to be paid by loans and a large amount to be recouped via naming rights.

So the BBC report of £150m (which would be the wrong figure anyway) it's misleading. The hike from the current stadium is around £50m including all the other costs, such as architects etc and the regeneration....

They are some of the worlds smartest businessmen and have a tight handle and vast experience.

The recent pictures are certainly a lot better than the initial renders that were released a while back. I don't pretend for a moment I've seen anywhere near the number of images you most likely have but what I've seen lately don't look that bad. I've no doubt there'll be quite a few changes between now and construction, though.
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I've looked into the architectural side of it and the detail and thought behind it is stunning, the balls it takes to move away from the norm of the commercial bowl are huge.

The views out of the kop corners and into the kop from outside the away end (remember the pitch is way below ground level so won't be seen) is inspiring and completely away from the norm. Football is such a huge part of that area (with goodison and Anfield only a stones throw away from each other) that the glass view in but the enclosed feel you will still get is genius and will really bring the stadium into being part of the area, not just a massive building that blocks the sun because it needs to be remembered that this stadium is going to be as tall as the new wembley, despite it being 25% (or even more) under ground so from the inside it's going to be freaking massive.

Also need to remember that the way it looks in some of the diagrams is no where near what it will look like (hence the inclusion of some diagrams in situ) when you're stood in front of it.

It's going to be a monster.

(if all this sounds really broken up it's because I'm adding bits into this every time I add a new image...)

The way the whole stadium slopes from the kop (largest single tier stand in the world) downwards to the away end is going to be amazing in person and very intimidating.

The architects have gone to massive lengths with the internal acoustic design and have had large scale research done into it and the kop has been described as "the stage that plays to the rest of the stadium"... much as it does now.

The stadium is going to be very environmentally friendly and even get it's power and the parks power from wind turbines which will be fitted in the future.

It's going to be finished by 2011... rock on.

If anyone is interested in architectural plans then shout and I'll put some up.

Here are a few images. Click to enlarge.

In Situ

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Other images - Click to enlarge

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Current Gladstone Conservatory

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Renovated

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