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When you watch him play you realise how he is still playing at this age. He does the simple things well. He always makes the first move in a game and imposes himself on the opposition. Also he knows he can't run 100m in 10 seconds so he doesn't try to. His strength is his stamina and physical presence.
Indeed. Similarly, it's been said about Sheringham many times that he's been able to play on so long because he's not lost any pace as he's got older – simply because he never had any to begin with. :p

It's a similar thing with Windass. He's never been in the 'pacy striker' category – his strengths lie elsewhere and his reading of the game and his eye for a goalscoring opportunity haven't diminished with age. Pair him with a fleet-footed youngster like we have done with Frazier Campbell this season and you're going to get goals.

Turning to the England international, I was struck as Ribery slotted his penalty home past James that we're being treated to some fine examples of facial hair out on the Stade de France pitch. In this day and age bearded footballers aren't all that common, so it's nice to see.
 
To quote a phrase by King Kevin:

"I would love it, just love it to see Deano kick the little gob **** Ronaldo all over the pitch next season."

With regard to beards, this is one hell of a beard, plus the classy hair band!

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With regard to beards, this is one hell of a beard, plus the classy hair band!

Who is that? That look is straight out of the 70's! I'll bet he's got some short shorts to go with it.

I sported a beard this summer, and for some reason it seemed to give me luck with the ladies, even though I didn't think it looked good...whatever works, I suppose. :D

I hope Scotland can find a winner...

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: interesting changes by Capello as Crouch and Owen come on to partner up front, Downing and Lescott on as well. Terry, J. Cole, Gerrard and Rooney come off. Let's go Crouchy!
 
pretty poor England performance against an average French team.

As for going forward, "not a f***ing clue" is about the best description. Lost count of the number of crosses in to the area that were with in feet of he French keeper.
 
I know few of you are interested in the friendlies, but I'm going to follow the beeb's live text update to see if Scotland can beat Croatia.

Can I just say that the BBC text service was a absolute disgrace tonight, shame on you Ms Cheese. The word 'Scotland' was mentioned just 24 times in 4 hours (including the score updates), the word 'Beckham' was mentioned 31. It was as if there were no other matches being played tonight, despite good results for all but one home nation. I can't decide if I should bother staying up to watch the highlights because I have no idea if it was a good match or not.
 
Can I just say that the BBC text service was a absolute disgrace... It was as if there were no other matches being played tonight, despite good results for all but one home nation.
Let not the same accusations be levelled at MacRumors. In the interests of balance and as a special treat for our friends north of the border (and in particular the appropriately named Fuzzy), here's a picture of a Scottish footballing great with some facial hair. :)

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I've got a pic of a be-tashed Ian Rush on standby just in case any Welsh footballing fans stick their heads in here.
 
Sounded like a dull match, and the text commentary focused on England too much, especially considering that the other games seemed more interesting. And they do need to spend less time on Becks, especially considering he had a rather quiet night (along with the rest of the England squad).

You lions better watch out when the USA comes to Wembly. :D
 
I have long been very confused about international football. You are the manager of 30 or so of the best footballers in your country, what is there to do? Surely the players know how to play football. What do you say to Beckham? No David, you play on the right and then when you get that round thing at your feet, you kick it towards one of the other players in a white shirt?

Surely it is the players that have to look at themselves and say, "hell we aren't good enough, what are we going to do about it?"

Sort it out lads, please.
 
I agree. It's Capello's job to choose the best starting XI and tactical formation, but if - as has been the case - England players can't duplicate their club form on the international stage, what can Capello do? If he drops popular players and loses he will be crucified, but if the "best" players can't win games than something needs to get shaken up.

Actually, what is more likely to happen is that Michael Owen will score against the USA off a Beckham cross, and everybody will forget the flat performance against France (and Croatia).
 
I agree. It's Capello's job to choose the best starting XI and tactical formation, but if - as has been the case - England players can't duplicate their club form on the international stage, what can Capello do? If he drops popular players and loses he will be crucified, but if the "best" players can't win games than something needs to get shaken up.

I think there's a little more to it than that. A national coach has to choose the best starters for the given opponent, substitute wisely, and meld into a team a group of players that are not used to playing together. That can be pretty hard. On the other hand, I'd also argue that any national team with many players playing in foreign countries will have that issue, i.e., any major soccer power. So Spain and France and Italy have the same problem, and they've had more success over the past, oh, 40 years than England has.

I think it's similar to the issues that the US basketball teams has had the last eight years or so. USA Basketball kept trying to assemble an all-star team of NBA players instead of one that could compete at the international level. They seem to be on a better path now, but international basketball has gotten a lot more competitive than it used to be. Kind of odd that the same players that make the EPL a top league can't make England a top team.
 
Kind of odd that the same players that make the EPL a top league can't make England a top team.

Some say that the fact that the EPL is a top league has little to do with English players. I not sure about that, but it is certainly true that the national team as a whole appears to be lesser than the sum of its parts.

The US national team often struggles with the fact that it is often composed of MLS all-stars rather than all of the Americans playing in Europe, when the latter are our best players. This seems to be a combination of scheduling conflicts and the fact that US Soccer is trying to promote the MLS.
 
Some say that the fact that the EPL is a top league has little to do with English players. I not sure about that, but it is certainly true that the national team as a whole appears to be lesser than the sum of its parts.

Yeah, I wouldn't go that far either, and for example, not many of the top English players play in foreign leagues. Almost all of them are in the EPL, so that's the kind of game they know. Having followed Inter for the last couple years, it occurs to me that the Italian game (as annoying as it can be) is much closer to the style of international soccer than the EPL is. The more conservative, sit-on-a-lead, dive-in-the-hope-for-penalty-shots style they play is more similar to that of the World Cup. This is another parallel with US basketball: the NBA players are used to one-on-one acrobatics and flashy plays, while the international game depends much more on passing and positioning, skills that many US players have neglected in search of NBA riches.



The US national team often struggles with the fact that it is often composed of MLS all-stars rather than all of the Americans playing in Europe, when the latter are our best players. This seems to be a combination of scheduling conflicts and the fact that US Soccer is trying to promote the MLS.

MLS has been struggling with that balance since its inception. On the one hand, to grow the league you need some of the top U.S. players scattered around the major markets. But unless the top players play against the better competition in Europe, it's harder for them to rise above their domestic level. (Or even for coaches to know who deserves to be on the national team!)*** Is Landon Donovan better served being a bench player in the Bundesliga (which he was) or a star in MLS? You can see both sides of it.

There are two other issues:

(1) CONCACAF is just not a very competitive soccer region. The U.S. and Mexico have a lock on two World Cup spots, while Canada, Costa Rica, and a few others fight for the third. Sure, they don't schedule nearly enough friendlies against European and South American teams, but they also have to play often against weaker competition too, at least compared to Europe. European teams have to run a gauntlet to qualify for Euro 2008 or the WC every time.

(2) The MLS season spans spring to fall, instead of fall to spring like the rest of the world. That makes scheduling harder and really complicates the logistics of the national team. I'm not sure that syncing the MLS with Europe would help that much though. It would mean competing more with basketball as a winter sport. And harsh northeastern and midwestern winters would hurt the quality of play and attendance, since places like Chicago, NYC, and Boston have far colder winter weather than anywhere in England or France.



*** This, by the way, is why I think most of the U.S. players that have made it in Europe have been goalkeepers. It's easier to evaluate a keeper's abilities (positioning, reflexes, etc.) against inferior competition and get an idea of how he will do in Europe. But trying to predict how an MLS defender would do in the EPL is much harder.
 
Can the English style of play win international tournaments, or is it only good for the EPL? Can Capello get England to play like France and Italy? Should he? Can the players adapt to a style of play different from their clubs?

not many of the top English players play in foreign leagues.

Very
few, especially now that Hargreaves plays for United. Which probably makes the English less familiar with the international game than other nations like Brazil, Italy and France whose players are present everywhere.

The more conservative, sit-on-a-lead, dive-in-the-hope-for-penalty-shots style they play is more similar to that of the World Cup.

I remember watching Mirko Vučinić back when he played for Lecce and even when faced with a scoring opportunity he preferred to fall down and try to get a penalty. He really learned his Italian football. One might call it a conservative style of play, I call it patient and crafty.

Oddly enough, Liverpool has a good European record and follows a style of play perhaps more similar to continental leagues, and yet Gerrard can't do it for England in Europe.

This is another parallel with US basketball...
Which is why we get spanked in international games, even though we have the "best" basketball league in the world.

Landon Donovan better served being a bench player in the Bundesliga (which he was) or a star in MLS? You can see both sides of it.

In my opinion, US Soccer is ultimately better served by Americans going over and taking their knocks in Europe a la Brian McBride, Clint Dempsey, Eddie Johnson, Marcus Hahnemann, Freddy Adu etc. rather than playing third-tier football in sun-kissed LA. Sure, Donovan is better served but football in the US is not. Had he stayed in Europe he might be a starter in a top league over there.

I also agree about CONCACAF and the schedule but I doubt either will ever change...we should at least try to compete with the great South American teams more. We'd get our butts handed to us for a long time but it would make our national team better. MLS clubs shouls also spend more time playing Mexican teams or South American teams. MLS is too insulated and coddled right now to ever improve.
 
Sure, Donovan is better served but football in the US is not. Had he stayed in Europe he might be a starter in a top league over there.

Are you kidding? Landy Cakes FLOPPED in Germany.

Altidore needs a one-way ticket to Spain - stat.
Wouldn't mind seeing Dempsey head to Spain either.
 
Are you kidding? Landy Cakes FLOPPED in Germany.

Altidore needs a one-way ticket to Spain - stat.
Wouldn't mind seeing Dempsey head to Spain either.

I hate Landycakes as much as anyone, but I think he failed in Europe because he didn't have the stomach for it rather than a lack of skill. Top players succeed because they have dreams of winning league titles and the Champions League. Donovan is content to sit in California with his actress wife and play in a third-tier league. If he really wanted it I think he could have done well in Europe. People like Dempsey, McBride and DeMerit are willing to grind it out with smaller clubs in much more competitive leagues - and they are better players as a result.

Dempsey has done pretty well at Fulham, he's been one of their more effective players. I think more promising Americans need to go to Europe, period. Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga, it doesn't matter. Ligue 1 or the Dutch league would also be good for their development.
 
Dempsey has done pretty well at Fulham, he's been one of their more effective players. I think more promising Americans need to go to Europe, period. Bundesliga, Serie A, La Liga, it doesn't matter. Ligue 1 or the Dutch league would also be good for their development.

I agree. The only U.S. player who has made any noise recently outside the EPL or MLS has been Michael Bradley in Holland.
 
Why do you all think Capello was so positive about the England performance?

I agree. The only U.S. player who has made any noise recently outside the EPL or MLS has been Michael Bradley in Holland.

Freddy Adu has scored a few goals for Benfica, and has done well considering how little playing time he gets. But he's very young yet, and has the potential to develop into an excellent player.
 
The thing that would solve all of the MLS problems would be the fans. (obvious, i know) If americans could pack out a 60,000 seat stadium MLS clubs could afford to bring in top talent (not to mention all of the USA's up and coming talent) and develop it into a top league. That was the whole point of David Beckham coming to the USA was to get americans to come out the games. So for the americans the moan about the MLS, go to the games!
 
Freddy Adu has scored a few goals for Benfica, and has done well considering how little playing time he gets. But he's very young yet, and has the potential to develop into an excellent player.

I haven't heard much about him since he moved to Portugal. I wonder if it would be better for him and Benfica if he were starting on loan to another team for a little while so he gets more playing time. It can't be easy to get minutes on one of Europe's top teams. Then again, I don't know how much better he's playing than before either, so maybe he's making great strides.
 
It's his job. If he comes out and says the players he picked didn't do that well he'd get full marks for honesty but that would be it. ;)

True, but if that's the case he overdid it.

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I see that Ferguson is shooting his mouth off about the "futile" international friendlies. I think he should shut up. England obviously need to play together more, and Ferguson only cares about the league - fair enough, but the league isn't everything. I'm 100% certain that if he was the Scotland manager he'd be complaining about managers who are reluctant to release their players for international duty due to injury concerns.

In other news, Gillette and Hicks' relationship is in a tailspin. They need to sell out to DIC and get it over with - otherwise they will not recoup their investment.
 
I see that Ferguson is shooting his mouth off about the "futile" international friendlies. I think he should shut up. England obviously need to play together more, and Ferguson only cares about the league - fair enough, but the league isn't everything. I'm 100% certain that if he was the Scotland manager he'd be complaining about managers who are reluctant to release their players for international duty due to injury concerns.

Do people really care about Ferguson's opinion on everything? I can't tell if he's a media whore or they just record every single thing he says every hour of the day.
 
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