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The Premier League Thread!

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Brize said:
Aye, that's what I was getting at: three proper trophies and a couple of showpiece games. Only Liverpool could have such a blinding season and still have an inferiority complex.
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Manc I presume?

Winning mentality, no matter what game it is, a medal is a medal... winners are winners and winning means more success.. we know a thing or two about that.

Funny thing is, the only people that really have a complex is the others that look at our honours and become jealous... like the man utd fans over the passed few seasons. So much so that you can pick a factual statement apart and try to belittle success..

There was never any bragging in that statement, If I wanted to brag I wouldn't find it too hard.


Très drôle.
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Hilarious, I thought.
 
Brize said:
Aye, that's what I was getting at: three proper trophies and a couple of showpiece games. Only Liverpool could have such a blinding season and still have an inferiority complex.
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I think the problem is that no matter what the current team achieves they're always going to be compared to the Liverpool sides of the late Seventies and early Eighties. Their achievement of winning five trophies is a highly impressive one, but no matter what they win or what they do people will always say the Liverpool of Paisley's era were the better team. It's a double edged sword – they have one of the proudest histories going but it places a huge burden on the teams and managers who've followed.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
I think the problem is that no matter what the current team achieves they're always going to be compared to the Liverpool sides of the late Seventies and early Eighties. Their achievement of winning five trophies is a highly impressive one, but no matter what they win or what they do people will always say the Liverpool of Paisley's era were the better team. It's a double edged sword – they have one of the proudest histories going but it places a huge burden on the teams and managers who've followed.
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You're not wrong, but that feeling has gone now, houllier so desperately tried to regain what was lost (that is never going to happen). But Rafa, he is a genius in his own right, houllier never was. none of the managers that were after fagan could compare. Shanks, Paisley and Fagan were in a class of there own, where as everyone that followed them tried to be as good... rafa is his own man, a completely different individual who will do things his own way - some of the things he says remind me of shanks (and although i never saw him as manager i have watched just about every game he managed and interview he ever took). He is almost made for liverpool - he does things the right way and his tactical brain is excellent.

Rafa is something special... you just watch :)

We are no the best team, but we are building, and that is all you can do. This club is about winning, it doesnt matter if that is the treble or if it is best defensive record or most clean sheets..

We are now looking at writing history again, not just bragging about it. (we started in istanbul and wrote another chapter in cardiff - two of the best finals ever)
 
BakedBeans said:
Manc I presume?

Winning mentality, no matter what game it is, a medal is a medal... winners are winners and winning means more success.. we know a thing or two about that.

Funny thing is, the only people that really have a complex is the others that look at our honours and become jealous... like the man utd fans over the passed few seasons. So much so that you can pick a factual statement apart and try to belittle success..
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You start off with a presumption and a few seconds later you're absolutely certain. See what I mean about the inferiority complex? :p

I'm a Spurs fan actually (as noted elsewhere in this thread), so there's no jealousy here. Well, no more than for any other team that's had any success in the past twenty-five years. ;)

I've a soft spot for Liverpool as it happens, so I was only having a light dig.

BakedBeans said:
Winning mentality, no matter what game it is, a medal is a medal... winners are winners and winning means more success.. we know a thing or two about that.
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As I said, the most decorated team in English football - even without those Super Cups and Charity Shields.
 
Brize said:
You start off with a presumption and a few seconds later you're absolutely certain. See what I mean about the inferiority complex? :p
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Nope, It is just the normal crap you here from a manc :)

As I said, the most decorated team in English football - even without those Super Cups and Charity Shields.
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But what I am saying is that these are important trophies, they are a stepping stone to winning, they bread a winning mentality.

I see what you are saying about them not being top quality honours, they are honours non the less ;)
 
BakedBeans said:
But what I am saying is that these are important trophies, they are a stepping stone to winning, they bread a winning mentality.
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I wouldn't agree that they're important trophies, but winning those sort of games doubtless helps to consolidate a winning mentality. In that respect, Liverpool are second to none - that mentality is intrinsic to the club itself.

BakedBeans said:
I see what you are saying about them not being top quality honours, they are honours non the less ;)
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Only in a very loose sense. It's shameless enough to include the Super Cup or Charity Shield in your honours, but to include losing the World Club Championship as an honour is the very definition of scraping the barrel. Even Manchester Utd when they won the thing in '99 didn't try to pass it off as a fourth trophy.

Jaffa Cake said:
I think the problem is that no matter what the current team achieves they're always going to be compared to the Liverpool sides of the late Seventies and early Eighties. Their achievement of winning five trophies is a highly impressive one, but no matter what they win or what they do people will always say the Liverpool of Paisley's era were the better team. It's a double edged sword – they have one of the proudest histories going but it places a huge burden on the teams and managers who've followed.
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That's only half the story. The benchmark isn't emulating the Paisley era per se, but winning the league championship. It's almost twenty years since Liverpool last won the league and their fans understandably have a hard time coming to terms with that. Even more galling was that Manchester Utd replaced them as the dominant force in English football. An honest Liverpool fan will tell you that the shedload of trophies they've won in the past five or six years - even the European Cup - can't compensate for the league title.
 
As a Liverpool fan, winning European Cup beats winning the league. Of course back in the 70s/80s you couldn't do that without doing the other.
 
Loge said:
As a Liverpool fan, winning European Cup beats winning the league. Of course back in the 70s/80s you couldn't do that without doing the other.
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Fair enough. The (admittedly few) Liverpool fans that I've spoken with have indicated otherwise.
 
Brize said:
An honest Liverpool fan will tell you that the shedload of trophies they've won in the past five or six years - even the European Cup - can't compensate for the league title.
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I know a liverpool fan or two, and I can tell you for a fact not one would swap that night in istanbul for a league title, not to mention two stunning FA cup victories and the best uefa cup final in history (we are alright at having decent finals ;) ).

It isn't all about winning the league, although that is our number one priority at the beginning of the season, the problem with winning the league is that it is hard to be that consistent over a long time, even then you still have chelsea to contend with because they have taken consistency to the next level. To put that in perspective, we got more points last season than when we last won it 15/16 years ago.

You can see what the club is building, you can see that the level of consistency is building and you can see that we are genuine title contenders and we havent looked like that for a long time. Rafa is one of the best managers in the world (the best in my biased opinion) who, as I've mentioned has a record of winning against the tide of casj this will see him lift the title at least once over the next three seasons.

We don't (and I certainly don't) have an inferiority complex about anything... a wee bit of jealousy at moneybags maybe but we are not inferiour to any club in europe.

I will say, again, that i wasn't bragging or claiming that lost finals where honours... i was stating what benitez has done. I'm sure spurs show all their trophies off.... oh wait... you have an echo in your trophy room ;)
 
According to this BBC article, Arsenal are set to make a £12m offer for Juventus keeper Buffon... :D

But then again, these are just rumors...:rolleyes:
 
Jaffa Cake said:
And don't forget Liverpool's promising youngster Paul Anderson, who's tipped to have a bright future – don't forget either which club you acquired him from. ;)
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BakedBeans said:
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I assume that's not his squad number on his top? If it is, he's made a pretty rapid rise through your ranks. ;)

It was a pity to see him go – to be fair though, if you're a young player and Liverpool come chasing your signature chances are you're going to sign for them. All in all, we did alright out of the transfer so no complaints about that – if I remember rightly, if he makes it as a Liverpool player the deal could be worth about £1.5 million to us, plus a sizeable sell-on clause and John Welsh.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
I assume that's not his squad number on his top? If it is, he's made a pretty rapid rise through your ranks. ;)

It was a pity to see him go – to be fair though, if you're a young player and Liverpool come chasing your signature chances are you're going to sign for them. All in all, we did alright out of the transfer so no complaints about that – if I remember rightly, if he makes it as a Liverpool player the deal could be worth about £1.5 million to us, plus a sizeable sell-on clause and John Welsh.
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Yeah, but if he doesn't make it then you get next to sod all :)

I think that is his ressie number... although it might just be a training number. The reason I'm not sure is that some of the players have red numbers and some black.. im guessing the red are first team numbers (or training numbers) and the black are reserve numbers (or training numbers)

how is welshy doing?
 
BakedBeans said:
Yeah, but if he doesn't make it then you get next to sod all :)
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The problem with Anderson was he'd made up his mind to go (and as I say, you can't really blame the lad as it was a glamourous move). Had we refused to sell him, he could have waited until the end of the season when his contract ran out, the case would have gone to a tribunal and it's likely we would only have got in the region of £50,000 for him. As it stands, we get a payment of £50,000 for each of his first 30 first-team appearances, so even if he only plays for you a couple of times we've done better than we would have done had the deal not been reached. Plus, as mentioned we got a good player coming the other way. Fair play to Liverpool, they could have told Anderson to wait six months and they could have picked him up for next to nothing – they did the honourable thing though and agreed a fair deal. If we get the full amount of money possible from the deal it's a huge sum for us (all added up, it could be our record fee for a sale), while from their point of view Liverpool get a very promising young talent for less than you'd pay for a dodgy European who'd go off in a strop after a season.

BakedBeans said:
how is welshy doing?
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He made a very impressive start when he was with us on loan (and obviously Peter Taylor knew him well from the Under-21s) – he suffered a bit of a drop in form though after the move became permanent. Some people have reckoned it was when it hit home that he wasn't going to make it as a Liverpool player and he'd have to ply his trade elsewhere, and he ended up getting a bit down about it all. I don't think that opinion's far wrong, to be honest. He picked up again after a while and started getting his confidence back though, and it will be interesting to see how he performs this coming season.
 
Got my tickets for Dennis Bergkamp's testimonial on July 22nd. We should see Cruyff, Van Basten, and Marc Overmars for Ajax. :D
 
I never realised that Spud was such a comlex character.

"When I'm on my own, I still not only like to have the TV and light on to help me sleep - but also a vacuum cleaner," he wrote.

"Failing that a fan or a hairdryer will do. I've ruined so many hairdryers by letting them burn out. Coleen (McLoughlin, his girlfriend) hates it.

"She won't let me turn on a vacuum cleaner or a fan, not when we're together," he adds, recalling that the unusual habit began when he was a child.


btw, that reminds me of a joke. What's the difference between "light" and "hard".
 
Looks like we've got our first managerial casualty of the new Premier League season – O'Leary's left Aston Villa by 'mutual consent.'

Pity – they're coming up to play us next week and I was looking forward to a few choice chants in his direction. :p
 
Duff to Toon?

Looks like Newcastle have jumped in ahead of Spurs for Duffa.

BBC Link.

You can't question Newcastle's desire to compete with the big teams again, but at this moment in time (and it's difficult as a Gooner to say this ;) ), Spurs look like a the better option at the moment. Not to mention the hell of living oop norf.

I expect money has a fair bit to do with it...
 
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