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This thread is idiotic seeing as this is a developers beta meant for developers to test their apps on, NOT a preview of what they plan to release. I'm pretty disappointed by some of the users here. I had alot of respect for a few of you. I sure as hell hope you come back here for your public flogging in the event that iOS 7 comes out operating as it should be...
Nonsense.

That is certainly one purpose of the beta, but it is far from the only purpose. If it were, Apple would not be asking for developer feedback on issues that have nothing to do with building or running third-party apps.

The main purpose of the beta is to identify and address as many issues as possible before release to tens of millions of customers. This includes issues that directly affect developers as well as those that do not.
 
Nonsense.

That is certainly one purpose of the beta, but it is far from the only purpose. If it were, Apple would not be asking for developer feedback on issues that have nothing to do with building or running third-party apps.

The main purpose of the beta is to identify and address as many issues as possible before release to tens of millions of customers. This includes issues that directly affect developers as well as those that do not.

It's an unfinished product, beta 3, and everyone here has decided that apple has dropped the ball.

THAT'S nonsense.
 
It's an unfinished product, beta 3, and everyone here has decided that apple has dropped the ball.

THAT'S nonsense.
You might want to actually read (or maybe perhaps re-read) this thread to see how this particular aspect has already been addressed and dealt with multiple times throughout the thread.
 
Developers/Testers do use these forums too. There are plenty of them about on these forums.

Yes they do, but they are under NDA. That technically restricts them to discussing only information in the public domain (released by Apple) on here
 
And here's another thing that's just slower, and I'm adding it to the first post:

You get a piece of spam in your mail inbox. How do you delete it? Swipe to the left and hit "Trash." In iOS 6 it was SUPER quick to swipe and delete. I could do it REALLY fast. Now? You have to swipe, WAIT for the animation to finish before you hit "Trash." If you press "Trash" before it finishes its animation, it simply closes the option.

Ridiculous. I'm sorry, but unless a TON of people clamor for this kind of stuff to be fixed, it likely won't.
 
And here's another thing that's just slower, and I'm adding it to the first post:

You get a piece of spam in your mail inbox. How do you delete it? Swipe to the left and hit "Trash." In iOS 6 it was SUPER quick to swipe and delete. I could do it REALLY fast. Now? You have to swipe, WAIT for the animation to finish before you hit "Trash." If you press "Trash" before it finishes its animation, it simply closes the option.

Ridiculous. I'm sorry, but unless a TON of people clamor for this kind of stuff to be fixed, it likely won't.

CLAMOR FOR IT IN THE APPLE DEV FORUMS.

Sorry for shouting but here is not the place to have a whine. This is not an official Apple forum,

FFS
 
CLAMOR FOR IT IN THE APPLE DEV FORUMS.

Sorry for shouting but here is not the place to have a whine. This is not an official Apple forum,

FFS

Obviously! Don't worry, already done. :)

I just hope the other devs here are actually taking note and can join me!
 
that last active state is still better than the icon only on ios6.

I guess if thats what work for you. I just dont see how showing the album art of a track played 10 minutes ago aids us at all. Seems even more silly on an iPad. This would be a lot more useful for having multiple windows like expose style. Doesnt make any sense on a device thats designed to do essentially one window at a time operations.
 
that last active state is still better than the icon only on ios6.
No, iOS 6 gave access to three apps directly, iOS 7 only one.

New multitasking sucks. It slow and useless!

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People said that the unibody MacBook Pro at it's unveiling that it's a step back. But turns out it's the greatest laptop in history.
What. Who said that?
 
Sorry I saw this and had to say something. I've been a developer for over 22 years and just because a release is a Beta, doesn't mean it has to be slow. I love Apple products as much as the next man (god knows I've got enough of them).

Every Beta Apple produce seems to be slower than the current "released to the public" version and this seems to be a trend I've noticed over the years.

At work we develop functionality in conjunction with performance as the two in our minds go hand in hand. Apple however seem to work on the functionality first and once it's close to acceptable, then work on performance. This is just an observation by m, but may not actually be the case.

What I hate on these forums are other developers shouting the odds of "Its a Beta". Yes we all know it's a beta, lets just accept it and move on. The idea of these forums are to get opinions from others and to see if functionality etc they are seeing is common amongst other developers/testers/users or if there is anything they are doing wrong which can be corrected with the help of others so only real bugs can get reported when necessary.
[/Rant over, move along now]

This is a great response. Anybody's who's ever really been taught *real* software development, as opposed to somebody who downloaded Xcode and pirated a Cocoa e-book, should know that when you code something, maybe a function, object method, class method, whatever, you code it to be as good as it can be. That means you want it to functionally work. You want to it be 'fast' (actually, you want it to perform within predefined parameters for performance) and you want it to fail safe.

When developing and writing software you absolutely DO NOT 'make it work and tidy it up later.' I don't believe Apple, or indeed any other large software company, does this. There may be some debug code in there but for public builds this code should be disabled by declaring a constant. The compiler won't even then put that line of code in the binary. Sure, there are always tweaks and optimisations that will come later - no part of any piece of software is ever 'perfect' but the individual differences will be negligible and will usually improve resource consumption, not the end user experience.

I absolutely don't understand why certain myths seem to prevail year upon year. "Clean installs are better than upgrades." "It's slow because it's a beta." These things maybe once had an element of truth about them but should no longer be taken at face value. Software development methods and tools have changed and been improved massively over the years.

As the quoted post states, every major iOS revision is slower than the last and that's sometimes understandable given that it's doing more but with iOS7 I'm left wondering what it's doing that makes it so much slower than iOS6. Like the original poster, I don't believe it's inherently slower, but the animations do seem to take longer than necessary and that's certainly something that can be tweaked.

For now, I guess I shall simply say I believe iOS7 (GM) will be slower than iOS6. I have two iPhone 5s I'm willing to put side by side to back this up on release day.
 
This is a great response. Anybody's who's ever really been taught *real* software development, as opposed to somebody who downloaded Xcode and pirated a Cocoa e-book, should know that when you code something, maybe a function, object method, class method, whatever, you code it to be as good as it can be. That means you want it to functionally work. You want to it be 'fast' (actually, you want it to perform within predefined parameters for performance) and you want it to fail safe.

When developing and writing software you absolutely DO NOT 'make it work and tidy it up later.' I don't believe Apple, or indeed any other large software company, does this. There may be some debug code in there but for public builds this code should be disabled by declaring a constant. The compiler won't even then put that line of code in the binary. Sure, there are always tweaks and optimisations that will come later - no part of any piece of software is ever 'perfect' but the individual differences will be negligible and will usually improve resource consumption, not the end user experience.

I absolutely don't understand why certain myths seem to prevail year upon year. "Clean installs are better than upgrades." "It's slow because it's a beta." These things maybe once had an element of truth about them but should no longer be taken at face value. Software development methods and tools have changed and been improved massively over the years.

As the quoted post states, every major iOS revision is slower than the last and that's sometimes understandable given that it's doing more but with iOS7 I'm left wondering what it's doing that makes it so much slower than iOS6. Like the original poster, I don't believe it's inherently slower, but the animations do seem to take longer than necessary and that's certainly something that can be tweaked.

For now, I guess I shall simply say I believe iOS7 (GM) will be slower than iOS6. I have two iPhone 5s I'm willing to put side by side to back this up on release day.

I agree with you 100%, but - as in many thoughts/suspicions I have -, I hope I'm wrong...

I'd also like to revisit one of my original complaints that deleting emails one at a time is probably a good three times slower than it is in iOS 6. Seriously, try it yourself. I know you can use the select tool to select a bunch at once, but I tend to delete one at a time as I scroll through.

Compare how quickly you can move from one email to the next to delete them. It's an absolute lesson in frustration in iOS 7. You can't do it too fast or the commands don't register. You have to wait a second before moving to the next email or it doesn't register.

And email is just the tip of the iceberg. So many other things you do when moving around folders or the phone app etc - are SO unresponsive because you have to wait for the animation to completely finish before you can do anything.

This is not the Apple I've ever seen before in past BETAs, and THAT'S what's so surprising to me.
 
And here's another thing that's just slower, and I'm adding it to the first post:

You get a piece of spam in your mail inbox. How do you delete it? Swipe to the left and hit "Trash." In iOS 6 it was SUPER quick to swipe and delete. I could do it REALLY fast. Now? You have to swipe, WAIT for the animation to finish before you hit "Trash." If you press "Trash" before it finishes its animation, it simply closes the option.

Ridiculous. I'm sorry, but unless a TON of people clamor for this kind of stuff to be fixed, it likely won't.

Since no one else will, I will promise you that apple will have little things like this fixed. There are bigger things they should worry about fixing then the animation speeds. Seriously, threads like these just prove even more why only DEVELOPERS should have betas and this is coming from a non-developer. I'm sooooo tired of reading threads like this. Don't mean to single anyone out and i'm sure you understand this but it's just a beta bro come on. Now if this was a GM, complain away, i understand that, but we still have many betas to go before final release, relax chill out. All will be fine by September trust me :D
 
5.) You get a piece of spam in your mail inbox. How do you delete it? Swipe to the left and hit "Trash." In iOS 6 it was SUPER quick to swipe and delete. I could do it REALLY fast. Now? You have to swipe, WAIT for the animation to finish before you hit "Trash." If you press "Trash" before it finishes its animation, it simply closes the option.

This is now fixed in iOS 7 BETA 4.
 
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