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Vodaphones business deal seems significantly better than the consumer deal on the 32GB £30/35 18/24 month plan - £50-£60 ish cheaper for the phone (after VAT) and double the minutes (600 rather than 300)

Any downside?
 
Hi all.

Can anyone clarify that a PAYG iPhone bought at an orange store will be locked to their network? I've got an O2 contract but missed out on the pre-orders with Apple. Would like then to get the handset at Orange (cheaper than Apple anyway) and use my O2 sim if possible.

I want to know this too! I definitely read at some point that ALL uk handsets would be unlocked. I kind of assumed that this meant all PAYG. Loads of rumours flying about obviously so i didnt take this too seriously. Obviously if this is the case then i could try and pre order a PAYG handset at any store orange, t-mob, 3, voda, cpw, p4u etc assuming any of them do PAYG pre orders.

This would certainly improve my spirits that i would perhaps have an ip4 this month.

On a related note, can i go into a store and open a simplicity contract and get it there and then or do i have to order on the phone then wait for it to come in the post? (i know i could probably find this out with some digging on the o2 site but i thought one of you knowledgeable types would know!)
 
On or around opening time, hopefully no big queue outside! I worked in the store when the first iPhone came out so will be nice to be there as a customer this time :)
I'm still undecided what time to go, do I go early, get there for 8 or wait until the queues die down a bit and get there mid morning?
 
Vodaphones business deal seems significantly better than the consumer deal on the 32GB £30/35 18/24 month plan - £50-£60 ish cheaper for the phone (after VAT) and double the minutes (600 rather than 300)

Any downside?

A lot less texts...

Still, I am having a tough time deciding between the 3 big operators on the merits of their business contracts.

I am going to have to whip up a spreadsheet when I am free and see which company provides the best business contract.
 
When I took out my 3G contract with o2, I paid the handset cost on launch day and then two weeks later I was billed for my first month's usage.
Is this the same for vodafone?
 
Just tried to downgrade my £45 monthly O2 iPhone tariff to the £25 Simplicity and was told I couldn't as I'm halfway through a 24 month contract and moving to Simplicity wouldn't be allowed. Which is a bit of a pain.

So I then tried to downgrade to the £35 iPhone tariff and was told it'd be the new iPhone tariffs... so I'd lose unlimited data, have to pay for picture messaging (no longer counted as 4 - or is it 3? - texts) and also pay for visual voicemail access?

From all of the charts I've seen I knew about the data, suspected the cost of MMS was no longer counted as they actually mention a price, but the voicemail access is new to me... anyone else heard differently?
 
I wouldn't hold your breath...I did that 18 hours ago :rolleyes:

We haven't yet had confirmation from a Simplicity or monthly contract customer that this works...its confirmed working with PAYG customers but thats it so far....

That said...keep us up to speed!


I'm a simplicity customer, ipad sim did not work for me.
 
This might seem like a daft question but having never owned an iPhone I have no idea - if I buy an iPhone sim free on Thurs and don't get a sim straight away can I still use it over Wifi, sync with iTunes etc?

Thanks
 
It will be quicker, or operate properly unlike previous versions, but the main feature of video calling is useless as its dependent on wifi. Wherever you have wifi your going to have your laptop most likely and it is limited only to other iphone 4's? thats rubbish.

The main problem with the iphone 4 and all previous iphones is the viewing size of the screen, far too small and makes viewing the web impractical and a waste of time.

If they wanted to really advance it make a 4 or 4.5 inch screen on it then you could actually use it for decent web browsing. But they will probably do this a few months after you have all shelled out half a grand for something you already own essentially because steve jobs told you to and you are his cult slave.

lol

The difference between both phones:

1. The screen. It has 4 times the resolution making it by far the BEST screen on a mobile device. Add IPS technology, you get much better viewing. Add a higher contrast (4 times the contrast of the previous phone) giving brighter whites and darker blacks at the same time, you have an all-round better display.

2. FaceTime is not useless. Many of us have wifi at home and work and school. The only time I never have wifi is when I'm on the move. It's cool but I don't think it's the greatest feature of the iPhone... the screen is.

3. The camera. The quality of the pictures is much better than most phones. The 3.2MP camera on the previous generation was better than the 8MP camera on my previous LG Renoir. Now add BSI technology that makes picture quality great in low-light, LED Flash for even better pictures, more megapixels without reducing the size of the sensor's cells (making for thus removing the deterioration that comes with cramming more pixels), I'm not surprised picture quality rivals stand-alone cameras from 2 years ago now.

4. Video: Well, need I say more, with HD recording and complete editting control right on the device. Things like these will change the concept of mobile blogging. I can report something I see with a high quality video, all editted within minutes of an event.

5. Call quality: Let's not forget that a phone is a phone. The iPhone was NOT the best phone in the world... in fact it was a below average phone for making calls. The smart new design: the new antennas, glass back etc will improve signal quality significantly, so finally we can actually MAKE CALLS. Add to that, the noise cancelling (or as they say, suppression) technology you expect from the VERY BEST phones that appear in 2010 and beyond, it should be a delight making calls on this device.

6. Better 'awareness': with a 3-axis gyro against the simple accelerometer, watch out for a new generation of AMAZING games that are sensitive to motion on all axes. The gaming experience is bound to improve sharply on this new device.

7. Battery: Now, this is the biggest reason why I'm upgrading. The iPhone becomes so integrated into one's life... everything from staying on top of communication, listening to music on the go, running apps to make things easier, organization etc. The iPhone 3GS struggles on battery. I found myself barely making it through the day with a charge. This changes with a larger battery and a smarter (yet more capable) low-power chip. Just adding that extra hour or two of heavy usage makes a world of difference.

All-round, this is not a small incremental upgrade. And as if all that wasn't enough, you have this all in a phone that is 24% smaller with a much more sophisticated design that looks solid and stylish.

Now you mention the screen being too small. This is a handheld device. I do NOT want a larger phone. I want something that fits better in the palm of my hand. I would count having a 4.5" screen as a negative against a phone! The larger phone while not really doing anything for me, also drains battery faster. Resolution is more important than sheer size. Clearer pictures are better than large blurs. The only acceptable change to the screen in the future might be maintaining the width of the screen (which I think is the perfect size to fit in a palm) and changing the screen aspect ratio from 4:3 to 16:9. This however, isn't straightforward because of the impact on apps. I'm not sure I fancy having black lines at the top and buttom of my screen in older apps with a smaller aspect ratio.
 
Woah, this is keeping pace! I cannot keep checking this out so sorry if this has been answered but,

Apple need to sort their staff out, and stop them from giving misleading or false information in their stores. I really expect more from them.

Some may remember that i posted earlier in the thread from last nights visit to an Apple store that O2 had put a block on upgrades on the 24th via Apple stores.

It turns out from my 3rd call to the Apple store in as many days, that this isnt actually the case. However, the rep i spoke to on the phone, said there was no clarification on how the upgrades would actually be handled in store and they are expecting updates from the carriers later this afternoon.

I felt like finding out who the Apple rep was that gave the misleading information. :mad:

Apple staff have been trained to upgrade contracts on the gateway software, which is the same that o2 use, however, promotional codes and the like might not be possible to apply on the day. I don't know if this is the same as the other networks though.

damn missed the boat again, now the delivery from apple.com is 14th july!

Surely there will be more stock in the retail stores before that and I will be able to pick one up? If there will be there isnt much point in me ordering off the website....


I think there should be overflow stock in stores, so you might be lucky if you get there early enough to get one of those :)
 
...From all of the charts I've seen I knew about the data, suspected the cost of MMS was no longer counted as they actually mention a price, but the voicemail access is new to me... anyone else heard differently?

According to the O2 website - http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html -
"All our smartphone tariffs for iPhone include Visual Voicemail."

re: MMS, I thought this was a new change, but was told that O2 changed it a little while ago.
 
This might seem like a daft question but having never owned an iPhone I have no idea - if I buy an iPhone sim free on Thurs and don't get a sim straight away can I still use it over Wifi, sync with iTunes etc?

Thanks

Yes. But you MUST sync to iTunes to use an iPhone.
 
Got my iPad SIM this morning, didnt work on the first site and have now tried the second but nothing thus far and i'm not holding my breath either. Has anyone called O2 to try and get the SIMs swapped?

Vodafone played a sneaky one didn't they, waited for everyone to play theirs cards and then undercut them. Orange are now looking the most expensive, with Voda being the cheapest in terms of total cost of ownership.
 
Going off on a tangent quickly.
Anyone here who ordered a 3g iPad received theirs yet? I ordered one for fathers day but it still hasn't arrived, although the estimated arrival date is 21st I was hoping it would come early. :(
 
I'm a simplicity customer, ipad sim did not work for me.

More info please!

Was it an already activated iPad SIM?

What URL did you use to try and transfer your Simplicity account onto it?

Did the site say you'd been successful but it just never happened (how long ago?), or did you get an error message when you tried?
 
Vodaphones business deal seems significantly better than the consumer deal on the 32GB £30/35 18/24 month plan - £50-£60 ish cheaper for the phone (after VAT) and double the minutes (600 rather than 300)

Any downside?

I didn't think just anybody was allowed to get the business plan... i thought it would have to have something to do with businesses...
 
Apple staff have been trained to upgrade contracts on the gateway software, which is the same that o2 use, however, promotional codes and the like might not be possible to apply on the day. I don't know if this is the same as the other networks though.

I wonder if it's the same gateways software as it was when I got my iPhone 3G a couple of years ago?
There was something really depressing about sitting down at an iMac and watching the Apple guy launch Parallels and Internet Explorer...
 
Just looked at Vodafone for sim-only deals, are these iPhone only tariffs new?

£20/m will give you either:
600 mins, unlimited texts, 1GB data (12 months)
or
900 mins, unlimited texts, 500MB data (12 months)
or
600 mins, unlimited texts, 500MB data (30 days)

That and also Quidco giving £100 cashback on the 12 month tariffs, seems like a much better deal getting one of these and paying full price for the phone.
 
....Vodafone played a sneaky one didn't they, waited for everyone to play theirs cards and then undercut them. Orange are now looking the most expensive, with Voda being the cheapest in terms of total cost of ownership.
According to the Engadget comparison that someone kindly linked to - http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/18/how-to-figure-out-the-best-value-iphone-4-contracts-in-the-uk - Vodafone and O2 are in the same ballpark in terms of total ownership and sometime O2 is (marginally) cheaper)
 
Does that mean that even if you buy an O2 simplicity sim before the 24th, but don't itunes-activate it until after the 24th, you lose the unlimited data?

Activating the SIM is different than activating the phone. Normally sticking some credit on the SIM or sticking it in any phone should do the trick, it will normally say when you get the SIM.
 
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