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The unofficial "I'm NOT waiting for arrandale!" thread...
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If you wait for technology, you'll wait forever. I run photoshop, illustrator and dreamweaver all at the same time on my late 2008 unibody macbook and its still ok even on 2gb memory.
I want to upgrade to the 15" which will double my memory and give me the larger screen and faster processor which will be more than enough for what I'm using. If I wait for an upgrade, I'll be buying extra power I don't need.
Apple will also probably use the new processor as an excuse to hike the price up anyway
I want to upgrade to the 15" which will double my memory and give me the larger screen and faster processor which will be more than enough for what I'm using. If I wait for an upgrade, I'll be buying extra power I don't need.
Apple will also probably use the new processor as an excuse to hike the price up anyway
My machine is more then adequate, I bought my 2.53GHz in Nov 08 (unibody model) and its processing power and capabilities have far exceeded my needs. I see little reason to spend > 2k for a new machine when this is has more power then I need in the first place. Plus I don't have the cash.
Guys I would love to be part of this thread. I have a 2008 3.06 iMac that needs replacing as I have to hand it off to another employee at the start of next week.
But if I buy a current 17" it would just slower than the iMac, and with it potentially being a few weeks away I need to wait.
So, I'm bringing in my Mac Pro from home(!), migrating my work account onto it for now and using the MP for all my work and home business stuff. Which is a drag because now I have to drive in to work to work on my business stuff (I have two different jobs).
Top it all off I have a work business trip to Europe on Feb 24th. I really need a computer to take with me! Do they make iLuggers for Mac Pros?
But if I buy a current 17" it would just slower than the iMac, and with it potentially being a few weeks away I need to wait.
So, I'm bringing in my Mac Pro from home(!), migrating my work account onto it for now and using the MP for all my work and home business stuff. Which is a drag because now I have to drive in to work to work on my business stuff (I have two different jobs).
Top it all off I have a work business trip to Europe on Feb 24th. I really need a computer to take with me! Do they make iLuggers for Mac Pros?
Looks like you guys should have waited a little longer. There's speculation that they are being updated right now. We'll know in an hour or so when the store is back up.
Or a few minutes left till for major dissappointments. Of which there will be plenlty.
Its all about managing expectations.
For many the current version is more than enough...its something spec junkies never understand.
Whatever Apple releases will be better than what out now. Apple has never taken a step backwards with their notebook hardware (At least not in recent years).
Anyone who bought last year (even late december) has gotten enough out of their books at this point and all that im sure they may be 'miffed' but overall they'll be fine.
Anyone who has ordered lately, with FULL awareness the new ones are coming out, will feel a little silly. The level of silliness will be dependent on the individual.
Anyone who has ordered lately, with FULL awareness the new ones are coming out, will feel a little silly. The level of silliness will be dependent on the individual.
Never buy the first version of anything new in computers. Your "specs" may be awesome (for today), but there will be bugs and hardware bought 3 months ago is solid and will not be pushed by any software anytime soon...
Agreed! While I love basking in speculation, reality led me to my current MBP.
Long live reality! Down with speculation!
Habitus
That doesn't mean it couldn't happen. Intel's Core technology has followed a gentle, evolutionary path to this point; Nehalem/Westmere is a big architecture change. Chances are Apple won't have serious issues, but personally I would wait and see.
Anyway I'm not waiting for Arrandale because I won't be looking to replace my current MB for another year and a half or so.
So I have a question for those of you who closely follow Apple announcements... do you happen to notice a pattern with them as to when they make their update announcements or is it pretty much up in the air? Since they announced the update to Aperture 3, does that mean we probably won't hear another word from them for a week, a month, ore does it even matter? Just wondering your thoughts.
For many it is not the fact that this version is not fast enough, it is just that the people that have a look around before buying a laptop and do not just trust blindly on apple's pricing, realise that the MBP on the market now as 'new' are not close enough for price/spec(or)quality or bang for buck compared to other popular laptop makes who now include arrandale.
MBPs have always been slightly more pricey than other identically speced laptops but in exchange you got things like a multi-touch keypad, extended battery life and a beautifull design.
The current MBP line are not worth their money. You have to pay a huge bonus to get a spec wise a worse laptop but with 'some extra functions' and of course OSX.
However this is my opinion and why I belog in the other thread. This thread is for those (idiots) who believe that the extra function are worth the buck...
Arrandale... hurry...
Well said.
I love my Macbook Pro, truly I do. However, I ended up causing some damage to it that needs to be repaired, but I can't (easily) go two weeks without it while the Apple store fixes it, so I'll be replacing it shortly with SOMETHING. Right now, I can drop an equivalent amount of money and get a better performing machine, every bell and whistle the manufacturer offers, and run some *nix variant on it, and get most of what I need.
As things stand today, Macbook Pros aren't compelling; I'm hoping that this will change after the refresh. If I had to buy *today*, it would not be a Mac.
If I needed it, I would be waiting for something else or would have gotten something else by now. The thing is, my Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 does what I need it to do and it does it perfectly well.
I surf the web, download music, movies. A little bit of photo editing here and there. Works perfectly. Very smooth running machine and simple just how I like it.
I see myself using this thing till it falls apart and can no longer keep up with the daily things I do on this computer. Some enjoy the latest and greatest and also some people just feel like just because something else came out even though it does things just the same but in a different way they think its better or a "must have". Think a little more Logical guys.
I surf the web, download music, movies. A little bit of photo editing here and there. Works perfectly. Very smooth running machine and simple just how I like it.
I see myself using this thing till it falls apart and can no longer keep up with the daily things I do on this computer. Some enjoy the latest and greatest and also some people just feel like just because something else came out even though it does things just the same but in a different way they think its better or a "must have". Think a little more Logical guys.
Yeah a thread where I belong!!! I bought mine in November (see sig) and am happy to be avoiding all of this. I wouldve waited but i wont use the power, the advantage wouldve been to have something that would become obsolete less quickly, but in 3 - 4 years when apple makes a new MBP (I mean design wise) this one should be still kicking, and ill want that new one anyway.
I am new to this forum and to Macbooks. I am not new to computers though and have been using various pc's for almost 20 years. The Macbook Pro that I bought two weeks ago wasn't my first choice as it did not have the i7 processor and prior to purchasing it, obtaining an i7 processor was a priority to me. I had first purchased a top of the line HP laptop that had all the bells and whistles including the i7 processor. It was really a nice machine except for the fact that it got burning hot in just a few short minutes of use and the screen blacked out from overheating after 40 minutes of playing a low level graphic intensive game, "Ultima Online". I brought it back and got my absolute "dream machine"...The new Sony F series. It has the i7 processor too and so much more...blue ray, 1080, 7200 rpm, nvidia 330m gpu, hdmi, esata, numbered keypad, etc. Wow, it seemed so wonderful and such a good price also...only $1300! Anyway, after unpacking it and plugging it in, the first thing I immediately noticed was the incredible fan noise from fans that blew pretty much 24/7. Then there was this high pitched whistling noise that sounded like morse code and then there was again the heat issue and keyboard flex and on and on..Sony has acknowledged all of the issues stated except for the keyboard flex. It also turned out to have a graphic card problem that Sony has also just acknowledged. Also the new processors seem to have a "throttling" problem which means when the machine is unplugged and running on battery, many of them have reduced speeds as low as 1.3 ghz. My new/old Macbook beats that out with it's 2.53 ghz all the time! Also with the new i7 processor, comes reduced battery life. Many have battery life of just 90 minutes due to the new processor being a power hog among many other things...My new/old Macbook beats that one too! I brought that Sony back too and swore off pc's for good and bought myself a 15 inch Macbook Pro...What a difference! It runs cool and quiet even with the fan on. No keyboard issues nor graphic card failures. I absolutely love it! The other day the power went out where I live (Florida) and I was able to use my Macbook till it came back on 4 hours later and I still had battery power to spare.
I will say when people had heard that I bought a first generation HP and Sony using the i7 processor, they warned me about buying "first generation anything" and I didn't listen as I too wanted the latest and greatest at the time. I know better now. I rather buy something that might be alittle older, but that has been tried and tested for over a year and has all the kinks worked out. When it comes to spending big bucks on something electronic, I want to know that it will work as intended and will hopefully last awhile. A laptop that constantly runs hot will have more hardware failures over time then one that runs at cooler temperatures. I do not have the money to replace my laptops every year or so.
For anyone who wants to hear about these new "first generation" machines with problems, and there are many, head on over to: forum.notebookreview.com and read the Dell forums, the HP forums, the Sony forums, etc., etc. Some might say all these problems were related to the fact that they were all pc's and not mac's...but I beg to differ as I have owned many pc's from different manufacturers also, but until this new generation of pc's using the "i processors", I have never seen laptops with so many issues. I believe they are all related to heat issues due to the new processors.
I also believe that these machines using the new processors needed more time for testing, but due to everyone wanting the new processor and threatening to go elsewhere if they didn't get it, these companies were forced to put these machines out on the market before they were ready. I think for all those who want an i7 processor and aren't rich, you should wait till Apple does a first refresh on the Macbook Pros with the i7 processor so they too can get the kinks out instead of wasting your money on something that will only be updated in a couple of months due to many issues relating to the new processors. If you don't, you too will have an outdated product that runs like crap after paying big bucks to purchase it. You also might find that what you have to sacifice for the new processors are things you cannot live without...like battery power and processor speed when running on battery just to name a few.
I love my new/old Macbook and don't have a need to buy an i7 processor notebook and have my machine spend more time in for repair than on my lap.
I will say when people had heard that I bought a first generation HP and Sony using the i7 processor, they warned me about buying "first generation anything" and I didn't listen as I too wanted the latest and greatest at the time. I know better now. I rather buy something that might be alittle older, but that has been tried and tested for over a year and has all the kinks worked out. When it comes to spending big bucks on something electronic, I want to know that it will work as intended and will hopefully last awhile. A laptop that constantly runs hot will have more hardware failures over time then one that runs at cooler temperatures. I do not have the money to replace my laptops every year or so.
For anyone who wants to hear about these new "first generation" machines with problems, and there are many, head on over to: forum.notebookreview.com and read the Dell forums, the HP forums, the Sony forums, etc., etc. Some might say all these problems were related to the fact that they were all pc's and not mac's...but I beg to differ as I have owned many pc's from different manufacturers also, but until this new generation of pc's using the "i processors", I have never seen laptops with so many issues. I believe they are all related to heat issues due to the new processors.
I also believe that these machines using the new processors needed more time for testing, but due to everyone wanting the new processor and threatening to go elsewhere if they didn't get it, these companies were forced to put these machines out on the market before they were ready. I think for all those who want an i7 processor and aren't rich, you should wait till Apple does a first refresh on the Macbook Pros with the i7 processor so they too can get the kinks out instead of wasting your money on something that will only be updated in a couple of months due to many issues relating to the new processors. If you don't, you too will have an outdated product that runs like crap after paying big bucks to purchase it. You also might find that what you have to sacifice for the new processors are things you cannot live without...like battery power and processor speed when running on battery just to name a few.
I love my new/old Macbook and don't have a need to buy an i7 processor notebook and have my machine spend more time in for repair than on my lap.
Wow, ^^ this is a word of warning if ever there was one. The whining about the wait for i5s and i7s is bad enough but what is it going to be like if the first generation MBPs are riddled with reliability and performance issues?
I agree that first generation gadgets carry an inherent risk and that as well as coming with a price premium, you're also a bit of a guinea pig.
I agree that first generation gadgets carry an inherent risk and that as well as coming with a price premium, you're also a bit of a guinea pig.