+1. That post alone makes me wonder if I should just spring for a 3.06GHz C2D... It also would seem to explain why the Arrandale-equipped MBPs are 4-5 months behind schedule.
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+1. That post alone makes me wonder if I should just spring for a 3.06GHz C2D... It also would seem to explain why the Arrandale-equipped MBPs are 4-5 months behind schedule.
I can't disagree with what you are saying and what the person above you who wrote a book said. Most of the current issues with the Core-i chips can be solved via updates. Some complain about heat and they are right to do so with laptops such as the Envy line but even those have been addressed or are being addressed. There are people on here that say their MBP's are running too hot but that is an exaggeration for some. Take feedback from a forum of complaints with a grain of salt.
Apple has had access to these chips since last year and anything they put on the market should be tested. Sure there will be hiccups just like anything else. But the benefits would far outweigh the disadvantages. Being an early adopter has its advantages and its not like the MBP's are a new product.
The MBP isn't a new name, but to say that it's not a new product seems a bit dismissive. New CPU, new GUI, new heat management and battery life issues, etc. etc.
It's going to be a major change--this isn't like switching the ExpressCard slot for an SD.
Then buy your MBP and don't wait for Arrandale. That's why Applecare is there. To protect you in case things happen. Again, Apple has had their hands on mostly all the new tech for a while so they should have most errors ironed out and others will be addressed via software updates. Unlike most PC makers, Apple does care about the end-user experience. I highly doubt users will have the kind of issues others are having who bought a Windows machine.
I might be wrong, but I don't think Apple will replace a machine with bad battery life and excessive heat if there's nothing "wrong."
There are failures, and then there are things that are just annoying facts of life with a new-ish machine. I still remember the blazing heat of my Rev-A Powerbook G4.
What's making me a little optimistic is that it's been taking this long for Apple to release the machines--it would suggest that some of those issues are being ironed out before release.
I agree and I think the longer Apple waits the higher the expectations for the MBP will be. The new MBP could be the best thing or the worst thing to happen to Apple. I just hope they didn't shelve the MBP due to the iPad and that they are truly developing the next notebook that is going to put them back on top.
Some of us have a legitimate reason to wait. We want the most bang for our buck. It's not that the current line up wouldn't suit my needs.
Think of it this way--I'm buying my first Mac. Do I want that purchase to be one filled with nothing but buyer's remorse when the next (hopefully) imminent update comes out? The answer is obviously no. I have been looking forward to owning a MacBook Pro for three years, ever since my best friend got one. This laptop is an investment, one that I, starting college in the fall, want to stay "current" for as long as possible. I will not have the money to buy a laptop every year, which is why I'm waiting for Arrandale. And before you jump down my throat, calling me spec crazy and what not, keep in mind that the laptop that I'm upgrading from, a 2006 Dell Inspiron with a 1.6 ghz Core Duo processor, makes the supposed new MBPs look like the laptop of God Himself. What is wrong with me wanting to get the most bang for my buck out of a laptop that I've lusted after for three years?
Think of it this way--I'm buying my first Mac. Do I want that purchase to be one filled with nothing but buyer's remorse when the next (hopefully) imminent update comes out? The answer is obviously no. I have been looking forward to owning a MacBook Pro for three years, ever since my best friend got one. This laptop is an investment, one that I, starting college in the fall, want to stay "current" for as long as possible. I will not have the money to buy a laptop every year, which is why I'm waiting for Arrandale. And before you jump down my throat, calling me spec crazy and what not, keep in mind that the laptop that I'm upgrading from, a 2006 Dell Inspiron with a 1.6 ghz Core Duo processor, makes the supposed new MBPs look like the laptop of God Himself. What is wrong with me wanting to get the most bang for my buck out of a laptop that I've lusted after for three years?
The unofficial "I am not waiting for Apple" thread
So since 1984 I have owned a Mac 128k, a 512k upgraded to 2M, a Mac IIx, a Mac IIfx, Mac IIsi, a Quadro 700, a 660AV, a PM8100, PM9600, G3 beige, G3 B&W, G4 450, G4 2x1.4GHz, G5 quad and lately some Mac Pros. Plus some stuff I have forgotten.
But yet again I have had to go out and order a Windows laptop. Last time it was because Apple was dragging its feet doing a 17in screen, and Sony had a very nice Vaio. This time it's because they cannot get their act together and produce a decent multi-core laptop with a good GPU. So I have gone for Kobalt, who will do a core i7-720/820/920 with Nvidia 285M in various screen sizes. Apple are just not meeting my needs any more. And I am not hanging around for anything less than quad core.
So Apple, I am giving up on you again. Please try to remember that for some of us a "Mobile Computing Device" does need to actually do some serious computing, and we need mobile power more than yet another fashion accessory. I will make the same decision for my next big PC, dumping the Mac Pro, unless it has room for a good clutch of GPUs, power to match and Blu-Ray support.
Er, Anyone hacked Snow Leopard onto a Quad core laptop?
So since 1984 I have owned a Mac 128k, a 512k upgraded to 2M, a Mac IIx, a Mac IIfx, Mac IIsi, a Quadro 700, a 660AV, a PM8100, PM9600, G3 beige, G3 B&W, G4 450, G4 2x1.4GHz, G5 quad and lately some Mac Pros. Plus some stuff I have forgotten.
But yet again I have had to go out and order a Windows laptop. Last time it was because Apple was dragging its feet doing a 17in screen, and Sony had a very nice Vaio. This time it's because they cannot get their act together and produce a decent multi-core laptop with a good GPU. So I have gone for Kobalt, who will do a core i7-720/820/920 with Nvidia 285M in various screen sizes. Apple are just not meeting my needs any more. And I am not hanging around for anything less than quad core.
So Apple, I am giving up on you again. Please try to remember that for some of us a "Mobile Computing Device" does need to actually do some serious computing, and we need mobile power more than yet another fashion accessory. I will make the same decision for my next big PC, dumping the Mac Pro, unless it has room for a good clutch of GPUs, power to match and Blu-Ray support.
Er, Anyone hacked Snow Leopard onto a Quad core laptop?
This is the funniest part of your post. Hackintosh seems like too much trouble for a system I want to just run. It seems like you've really showed them this time.
Also I don't want a plastic laptop.
So since 1984 I have owned a Mac 128k, a 512k upgraded to 2M, a Mac IIx, a Mac IIfx, Mac IIsi, a Quadro 700, a 660AV, a PM8100, PM9600, G3 beige, G3 B&W, G4 450, G4 2x1.4GHz, G5 quad and lately some Mac Pros. Plus some stuff I have forgotten.
But yet again I have had to go out and order a Windows laptop. Last time it was because Apple was dragging its feet doing a 17in screen, and Sony had a very nice Vaio. This time it's because they cannot get their act together and produce a decent multi-core laptop with a good GPU. So I have gone for Kobalt, who will do a core i7-720/820/920 with Nvidia 285M in various screen sizes. Apple are just not meeting my needs any more. And I am not hanging around for anything less than quad core.
So Apple, I am giving up on you again. Please try to remember that for some of us a "Mobile Computing Device" does need to actually do some serious computing, and we need mobile power more than yet another fashion accessory. I will make the same decision for my next big PC, dumping the Mac Pro, unless it has room for a good clutch of GPUs, power to match and Blu-Ray support.
Er, Anyone hacked Snow Leopard onto a Quad core laptop?
And they're shipping in 7-10 days? It'd be funny if the new MBPs were released while you were waiting.
There is some entertainment value to be had. As people wait longer, the number of melodramatic histrionic posts about how everyone else has been using Core i7's for a year and a half and Apple is still using the 68040 is increasing. They're funny.
I agree. It seems people are upset with apple cuz they haven't annouced anything as yet but it's not like if the majority of other manufacturers have been releasing products to compete. Most of the new laptops can't be shipped now anyway. People are acting like apple are 2 months behind others.
I am very happy for people to have a laugh at my post but this is just factually incorrect. Even over in backward ol' England you can walk up the Tottenham Court Road and have a choice of core i7-720s off the shelves in the stores. HP's dv6-2106 is there for <850GBP if you can stand a basic 230M GPU (which still has more cores than the 9600GT!). The MSIs are also there sitting on the shelves and have been for a while. Sony F series are now in stock on web.
If decent new MBPs do show up in a couple of weeks I will probably curse, of course, but I reckon on them being crippled i5 or too expensive. And I need this strange beast as I do parallel programming lectures and demos so need the CPU multicore and lots of Nvidia GPU cores - I am wierd that way!
But you're not going down the street--you're ordering a Kobalt, which says right on their website won't ship for at least a week.
Bottom line is that if you needed a new notebook as desperately as you made it sound in your OP, you'd have gone with one of those down-the-street options long ago.
I want the new MBP as much as anyone, but the whole tone that people are taking with claims that the entire computing world is crippled by the Core 2 Duo and it's impossible to accomplish anything on anything less than a Core i7 is getting old.
Yeah, but most PC laptop makers only put metal on part of the laptop--like the top case and the palmrest. The rest is that good old fashioned cheap plastic--which still makes it look crappy. There are indeed a few with all metal cases, but often those are as expensive as Apple laptops.
Well I'm out of the waiting game now too. The money I had earmarked for a new MBP has to go towards a business expense now. Will be mid June before I can look at toys again
So since 1984 I have owned a Mac 128k, a 512k upgraded to 2M, a Mac IIx, a Mac IIfx, Mac IIsi, a Quadro 700, a 660AV, a PM8100, PM9600, G3 beige, G3 B&W, G4 450, G4 2x1.4GHz, G5 quad and lately some Mac Pros. Plus some stuff I have forgotten.
But yet again I have had to go out and order a Windows laptop. Last time it was because Apple was dragging its feet doing a 17in screen, and Sony had a very nice Vaio. This time it's because they cannot get their act together and produce a decent multi-core laptop with a good GPU. So I have gone for Kobalt, who will do a core i7-720/820/920 with Nvidia 285M in various screen sizes. Apple are just not meeting my needs any more. And I am not hanging around for anything less than quad core.
So Apple, I am giving up on you again. Please try to remember that for some of us a "Mobile Computing Device" does need to actually do some serious computing, and we need mobile power more than yet another fashion accessory. I will make the same decision for my next big PC, dumping the Mac Pro, unless it has room for a good clutch of GPUs, power to match and Blu-Ray support.
I would send this to Apple.
So since 1984 I have owned a Mac 128k, a 512k upgraded to 2M, a Mac IIx, a Mac IIfx, Mac IIsi, a Quadro 700, a 660AV, a PM8100, PM9600, G3 beige, G3 B&W, G4 450, G4 2x1.4GHz, G5 quad and lately some Mac Pros. Plus some stuff I have forgotten.
But yet again I have had to go out and order a Windows laptop. Last time it was because Apple was dragging its feet doing a 17in screen, and Sony had a very nice Vaio. This time it's because they cannot get their act together and produce a decent multi-core laptop with a good GPU. So I have gone for Kobalt, who will do a core i7-720/820/920 with Nvidia 285M in various screen sizes. Apple are just not meeting my needs any more. And I am not hanging around for anything less than quad core.
So Apple, I am giving up on you again. Please try to remember that for some of us a "Mobile Computing Device" does need to actually do some serious computing, and we need mobile power more than yet another fashion accessory. I will make the same decision for my next big PC, dumping the Mac Pro, unless it has room for a good clutch of GPUs, power to match and Blu-Ray support.
Er, Anyone hacked Snow Leopard onto a Quad core laptop?
What are you doing, designing the next generation of the Space Shuttle? It's doesn't seem to me that you even know what you "need." You're just pissed off that when a hardware upgrade comes to the Windows platform that Apple doesn't immediately follow with the same hardware. Sounds like you should stay with Windows.
The 15.6 inch HP dv6-2106 gets less than 3 hours battery life and weighs almost the same as a macbook pro 17 inch.
The sony F series has up to 1 hour battery life while playing dvds and this is stated on their website.
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I haven't bothered looking up the msi. I will state it again that apple is not behind other manufacturers interms of notebooks that actually compete with the macbook pros in processors and battery life and weight. Just cuz someone sticks a faster processor in their notebook doesn't mean apple should do the same.
Show me a manufacturer that has a 17 inch screen, a 7 hours battery life with a quad core cpu in a laptop that weighs 6.6 pounds. Make no mistake that battery life and weight are the constraints apple will be shooting for as people will not accept 3 hour battery life in the new macbook pros.
I'm assuming you've been capable of doing your job to this point, so what have you been using?
It was. It confirms my thought that you should stick with Windows. You'll save money, and get the latest hardware faster (whether or not it is intelligently implemented). Apple does not operate on your schedule, and apparently never will. You've known this for 26 years.