Really? I don't doubt what you say but I'm with O2 (sadly not with an iPhone!) and they've been great to me. I've also been with Orange and Vodafone in the past so I have some comparisons to draw from.
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Really? I don't doubt what you say but I'm with O2 (sadly not with an iPhone!) and they've been great to me. I've also been with Orange and Vodafone in the past so I have some comparisons to draw from.
Don't worry, it's still winter up north and logs keep us warm.
I agree with you on the curse of the fanboy. In Windows forums, no one wastes much time talking about Macs, but I was amazed at the obsession on many Mac forums with trying to excuse any Mac issues by shouting Windows sucks.
The Finder in Leopard feature that shows the parade of items in graphical view is nice to look at, but what I can't seem to do is get Finder, when running in the more traditional panes, to remember the pane spacings that I try to set up. Every time I open it it reverts back to its cramped columns.
In Windows Explorer, the window columns can be set up as you like and then you can ask it to remember the layout and it always opens up the same way. I'm new to Macs so maybe I don't know how to do this yet, but it's a pain to use Finder to search folders because of this.
I'm going to stick my neck out and agree with you here. I've never been a huge fan of the dock, and the worst offense of all is that it is a train wreck of user interface design and violates Apple's own UI guidelines (one UI feature that confusingly shows program shortcuts AND active programs in the same place along with folder shortcuts AND minimized windows AND the trash can -- wtf was Apple thinking?).
Another thing I've never liked about OSX that's related to this -- in old System software you had all your programs buried in the Apple menu (like Windows still does with the Start->Programs menu, but Apple was doing it too and abandoned it with OSX). With OSX not only is that gone but then the confusing dock was added to take its place. Only it doesn't show every program you have installed so you have to manually fish around in your applications folder -- bogus!
I wish I could get rid of the dock and have all my apps on the Apple menu.
The all-or-nothing approach of the Trash! Sometimes I want to wipe an external disk or virtual disk without emptying the main bin, or just delete one of the files to free up space, but no dice. There's been no innovation here for 20 years.
I know what you mean, and they way I got around this is by dragging my Apps folder to the dock. Stacks is cool like that. But yeah, it's still no replacement menu.
Well, maybe it would make more sense if you thought of the unifying principle of the dock as "items that you are most likely to want to interact with, given the current context". I don't know, maybe not. I'm not saying the dock is perfect.
Ok. Now I'm confused. Wouldn't putting all the applications in the Apple menu violate your design constraint of having each interface object only for one purpose? The Apple menu deals with the underlying OS, is rigidly separated from the apps that run on top of the OS. Wouldn't it confuse you to have the apps menu available there? For that matter, why doesn't the windows Start menu confuse you? The Start menu is not a single-use object either. It contains recent documents, network connections, the control panel, the command line interface, the search function, and your program files. So you can't complain about the dock serving multiple roles and then lament that OS X users don't have a start menu!
Second thing: The dock DOES show all your applications, and it does it better than the start menu. Try putting your applications folder on the dock. Click that folder. It's magical!
Of course, why this matters to you at all is a mystery to me. The fastest way to launch an app has nothing to do with a start menu. It's called spotlight search. Cmd-space, type the name of the app until the app is the first entry on the list, press enter, you're launched.
I suppose that's a legitimate preference, but I don't see how it's different from having your apps folder on the dock.
Start Menu is still better, as it lets you arrange applications and folders in whatever (il)logical order you prefer. It allows organizational folders irrespective of where applications and shortcuts are actually located on the hard-drive. And it also works with applications and items from anywhere, not just Program Files.
The Folder-in-Stacks is folder specific (e.g. Applications only) and can only be sorted by a standard folder-sorting method.
I've overcome this weakness of the Dock as you have, with QuickSilver and Spotlight.
I don't like it when Apple tinkers with the look and feel of OS X at point releases and changes something with no way out, like the translucency of menus diminishing between 10.5.1 and 10.5.2.
At least there was a command line way to change the menu bar translucency for those who did not like it (I like the translucent menu bar). But when they took away menu translucency, they just took away something I really liked without even a relatively simple way to revert back to the way I liked it.
And look at the survey in this forum... The vast majority don't like this change. And look what Apple has done about it so far: nothing. I complained to Apple too... not even an acknowledgement that they received my message.
In any other OS I can think of, changing such a thing would either be a GUI option or you could manually go into some text conf file and change the alpha setting, but oh no, NOT OS X. Apple decided this is how it shall be and made it cryptic so no one has figured it out yet.
Also it does not seem intelligently thought out (which is something I normally applaud Apple for doing very well)...
Both the menu bar and menus were translucent at 10.5.1-
Then at 10.5.2 they added a checkbox to make the menu bar solid or translucent, but why did they just take away menu transparency?? Another option or at lease making that option control the transparency of menus and the menu bar together would have made more logical sense to me.
At least there was a command line way to change the menu bar translucency for those who did not like it (I like the translucent menu bar). But when they took away menu translucency, they just took away something I really liked without even a relatively simple way to revert back to the way I liked it.
And look at the survey in this forum... The vast majority don't like this change. And look what Apple has done about it so far: nothing. I complained to Apple too... not even an acknowledgement that they received my message.
In any other OS I can think of, changing such a thing would either be a GUI option or you could manually go into some text conf file and change the alpha setting, but oh no, NOT OS X. Apple decided this is how it shall be and made it cryptic so no one has figured it out yet.
Also it does not seem intelligently thought out (which is something I normally applaud Apple for doing very well)...
Both the menu bar and menus were translucent at 10.5.1-
Then at 10.5.2 they added a checkbox to make the menu bar solid or translucent, but why did they just take away menu transparency?? Another option or at lease making that option control the transparency of menus and the menu bar together would have made more logical sense to me.
I voted for They are superb and could not be better.
I felt there was some kinks when back than I switched from XP to Tiger, I felt there was some issues in terms of not being used to the OS. Same thing to my friend (a recent switcher), he feels as if they're problems with leopard but, that's just his take from not being used to the OS.
I felt there was some kinks when back than I switched from XP to Tiger, I felt there was some issues in terms of not being used to the OS. Same thing to my friend (a recent switcher), he feels as if they're problems with leopard but, that's just his take from not being used to the OS.
I said it about 10 or 12 pages back.....
"If you could possible think that Finder, and Window File Explorer have issues either way, then you aren't doing much with your computer..."
There are so many bigger problems with the Mac and with Windows than searching for files. I like Windows Explorer, but I also don't mind Finder... they are just there to navigate. I guess you could find a problem with them if that's all that you do with your machine.
I wish Windows wasn't such a retarded OS when it comes to pro media apps like Adobe (anything) and Avid. Windows explorer may be more robust because you can't find any thing easily. Windows scatters applications around your HDD and you can't find any file that would normally be in a simple location on the Mac. I wish I could open my computer up without voiding the warranty Apple...!
Once you start using the machines for more robust applications, simple things like Finder quirks and customization becomes nit picking.
"If you could possible think that Finder, and Window File Explorer have issues either way, then you aren't doing much with your computer..."
There are so many bigger problems with the Mac and with Windows than searching for files. I like Windows Explorer, but I also don't mind Finder... they are just there to navigate. I guess you could find a problem with them if that's all that you do with your machine.
I wish Windows wasn't such a retarded OS when it comes to pro media apps like Adobe (anything) and Avid. Windows explorer may be more robust because you can't find any thing easily. Windows scatters applications around your HDD and you can't find any file that would normally be in a simple location on the Mac. I wish I could open my computer up without voiding the warranty Apple...!
Once you start using the machines for more robust applications, simple things like Finder quirks and customization becomes nit picking.
Not challenging this, just wondering what you don't like about it?
I love Software Update. It's so much more convenient than it was in Windows, IMO. I can't tell you how many times in XP I was working on something important, and Windows randomly decided to install an update without asking me, and all of a sudden it tells me "You need to restart your computer!" and I have to keep clicking "Restart later" every five minutes while trying to work. It was almost as bad as the blue screen of death....
But maybe you have a different experience or a different reason for not liking OS X's handling of Software Update? I'm just curious.
Ahem, you do know that there is a setting in Windows that prevents auto-downloading and installing of system updates?
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Silly Windows. It should be off by default! Honestly, who wants automatic updates?
But no, I didn't try to find one, and have no need to now that I don't use it anymore. Either way, I still find the implementation better, if only because it's more intuitive.
Luis I'm really unsure why you are slamming TextEdit? Maybe you haven't really used it. TextEdit in Leopard is much better than Wordpad and it is a full word processing app that's free. The idea is to buy a new computer that comes with a free word processing app so you can type letters and send documents. You can get by just fine with basic word processing in TextEdit and anyone using MS Office can read them.
Check out all the formats TextEdit saves in, WordPad doesn't do all of this.
Don't worry, it's still winter up north and logs keep us warm.
I agree with you on the curse of the fanboy. In Windows forums, no one wastes much time talking about Macs, but I was amazed at the obsession on many Mac forums with trying to excuse any Mac issues by shouting Windows sucks.
The Finder in Leopard feature that shows the parade of items in graphical view is nice to look at, but what I can't seem to do is get Finder, when running in the more traditional panes, to remember the pane spacings that I try to set up. Every time I open it it reverts back to its cramped columns.
In Windows Explorer, the window columns can be set up as you like and then you can ask it to remember the layout and it always opens up the same way. I'm new to Macs so maybe I don't know how to do this yet, but it's a pain to use Finder to search folders because of this.
LOL, talk about Fanboy, read your on posts. You are definitely a Windows FB. One would wonder why you are using Macs at all?
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You're right on about TextEdit. But I'll give Apple grief for not shipping any sort of pixel editor with the Mac. Preview is a good tool -- maybe it really does all a new user might need -- but I think a pixel-level editor is handy to even a newbie at times. I think it would be helpful it Apple bundled something modest, even Seashore, with the Mac. Just to help people along until they save up to buy Photoshop
Barely and it depends what angle you look at the screen from. Its not at all what I got when purchasing the upgrade. Why do we have to have this kind of discussion, its not rocket science to have an option available to adjust transparency. It does not have to be a Sys Prefs option, a command like option would suffice.
Lol...There are no Windows fanboys. They know computers are tools, not sacred cows, and don't need to worship Bill gates.
Cmd + Delete is what you're looking for.
Actually there are. Obviously, you've never checked out the computer science majors in any major university. Old-school CS geeks should know better than to worship .NET over a Unix operating system. Certainly not all of them are bad, but there are a lot of DOS nerds here that don't see why anyone would use a Mac. Besides those, there is also a lot of Windows fanboyism among PC gamers. I mean, yes, Windows is a better platform for gaming, but you might be surprised at just how much they look down at Macs and praise Windows even when the topic isn't gaming. If you look on Youtube there are a lot of sad videos from Windows fanboys touting its superiority by showing off its "abilities," which usually translates into showing off random, "flashy" and otherwise useless freeware they found on the internet that just makes their computer look cool.
Nobody is slamming TextEdit. It's a nice little app, just like Word Pad is a nice little app. Neither are word processors of any substance.
And do your homework. Windows computers come with Works which is a suite of office tools. And it's free.
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