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So what do you think about Macs/Apple OS?

  • They are superb and could not be better

    Votes: 305 22.9%
  • They're good but have a few niggles

    Votes: 879 65.9%
  • For everything I like there's something I don't like

    Votes: 106 8.0%
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    Votes: 43 3.2%

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I really wish the first click on an inactive application window was counted as an action rather than a focus grabber. So, when iTunes is open on one monitor and I'm in Photoshop on the other, I shouldn't have to click three times on a song to get it to play - once to make iTunes active and the others to select + play it. The way Windows/Linux (I believe) does it, the status of the window has no bearing on the effect that a click will have.

Understandable. But if you could perform one-click actions on any window regardless then no window would be considered "inactive", right?
 
Understandable. But if you could perform actions on any window regardless then no window would be considered "inactive", right?

Well, there are some elements that still give the states purpose - losing focus may mean notifications are displayed for that application (*ahem* Growl), media stops, or any number of other actions. Apart from anything, inactive and active windows assist with your focus on what you're doing. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the idea of active/inactive states, just that the first click on an inactive window should be regarded by that program as an action that it needs to process rather than a wake-up poke.
 
Well, there are some elements that still give the states purpose - losing focus may mean notifications are displayed for that application (*ahem* Growl), media stops, or any number of other actions. Apart from anything, inactive and active windows assist with your focus on what you're doing. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the idea of active/inactive states, just that the first click on an inactive window should be regarded by that program as an action that it needs to process rather than a wake-up poke.

Right, but then that makes all windows active. It'd be nice, but then it also wouldn't make sense.

You two have helped me to remember one that I hate. When you click to make a window active in an application like finder, and you have another window open, both should pop to the top. Instead, only that single window pops up. It's annoying when you save something in an application and then click finder to copy it from one place to another and you have to open both finder windows to do so.

Sometimes it's nice, sometimes it's annoying. There might be a key command while clicking that I don't know about yet.
 
Right, but then that makes all windows active. It'd be nice, but then it also wouldn't make sense.

I don't think so. That's exactly how it's been with Windows since 3.1, as far as I know, and it makes sense on there.

I don't think it's that big of an adjustment I'm talking about, from a UI point of view.
 
But then you'd have to worry about what you might have changed when you clicked into any window. I dont think it really makes sense for every window on the system to be active at all times.
 
I don't think so. That's exactly how it's been with Windows since 3.1, as far as I know, and it makes sense on there.

I don't think it's that big of an adjustment I'm talking about, from a UI point of view.

It's not a big adjustment, and it has been like that on windows for as long as I remember, but that doesn't make it make sense.

If what you can do on an active window with a click can also be done on an inactive window, both windows are effectively active. Which doesn't make sense. I don't know how long you've used Mac OS, but I've learned to just click the extra click.

I think the closest Mac OS is going to come to doing that is allowing you to scroll an inactive window, which they did with Leopard.
 
So, since there's 51 pages, I'm not going to read through this to see if it has already been mentioned, but I found possibly my biggest gripe with OSX.

Energy Preference Profiles.

I wish I could add, modify or edit it or SOMETHING!

That's my primary gripe.

I also am not a big fan of the resize/coverflow issue. That's just crap. But, Energy Preference Profiles. I WANT MORE!
 
So, since there's 51 pages, I'm not going to read through this to see if it has already been mentioned, but I found possibly my biggest gripe with OSX.

Energy Preference Profiles.

I wish I could add, modify or edit it or SOMETHING!

That's my primary gripe.

I also am not a big fan of the resize/coverflow issue. That's just crap. But, Energy Preference Profiles. I WANT MORE!
What exactly are you trying to override because the way it is is inefficient for you? Maybe you don't like your power button to behave like a power button? On your MacBook you have multiple optimization options for each power source and a combo of over 100 unique settings in the GUI, including the ability to power up your Mac according to a schedule, which I'm not sure many other computers can do (nor automatically adjusting screen brightness and illuminating the keyboard depending upon ambient light). Keep in mind that there are also some options you probably will never see unless you connect a UPS device, for example. The GUI does not give the user the ability to do many impractical things just to have more options that would make Energy Saver more confusing, IMO. OS X is not trying to be Windows by giving you the ability to make the windshield wipers go faster when you press the throttle :D
 
Another thing I would like to add about the look and feel of OS X:

- there are several 3rd party programs to tweak iTunes 7 to restore the Aqua look, downloaded by many thousands of people,

- by comparison, I just noticed for the first time a new theme for Leopard to make the entire UI look like iTunes 7 (I call it the dull, primer grey look). This theme is quite unpopular, very few downloads.

Needless to say, I don't like the iTunes 7 look nor the fact that its not unified with the rest of the OS. But for those who like dullness, I don't see why Apple does not at least offer an OOTB boring corporate theme (with dullard scrollbars and no transparency) and a cool Aqua theme.
 
What exactly are you trying to override because the way it is is inefficient for you? Maybe you don't like your power button to behave like a power button? On your MacBook you have multiple optimization options for each power source and a combo of over 100 unique settings in the GUI, including the ability to power up your Mac according to a schedule, which I'm not sure many other computers can do (nor automatically adjusting screen brightness and illuminating the keyboard depending upon ambient light). Keep in mind that there are also some options you probably will never see unless you connect a UPS device, for example. The GUI does not give the user the ability to do many impractical things just to have more options that would make Energy Saver more confusing, IMO. OS X is not trying to be Windows by giving you the ability to make the windshield wipers go faster when you press the throttle :D

I would just like to have the ability to create a profile for such instances as presentations. I'd like to have this profile DIFFER from the custom profile that I use on a day-to-day basis. I don't see how this is such a hard thing to comprehend.
 
Yes yes I have only one "hate"

I have only one hate on my beloved, hugged and cherisched Mac since now 21 years:

Microsoft Office.
All apps, all versions in all shapes and forms. And I support hundreds of Mac and PC users.

Alas, I have moved away from that. Hello Pages, Hello Numbers, Hello Mail. Ah!
 
Okay, there's nothing I really "hate" about Macs... just like any computing platform it has its pros and cons.

However I'm getting increasingly frustrated at one element of them - their maker. Apple. Particularly, right now, their infuriating insistence on developing something that is almost perfect... almost... and crippling it. Usually so that later on they can sell the next version with the crippled functionality restored as a "feature" and then cripple something else instead.

It happened to the iPhone (although I'll concede, on this occasion they de-crippled it for free). Now MobileMe is becoming a classic example of this!
 
i would like the menu Bar to be displayed on all monitors not just main :)

i would like emm there is nothing else...
 
i love everything apple. I would just like to be able to password protect any file

You can, you have to use File Vault for your entire home folder. If you want to password protect select files you just highlight the file and choose Get Info and click the "Locked" radio button. Anyone using your computer from a different user account will not be able to access that file without a password.

Oh how I do wish this thread would go away soon....:p
 
I hate the Mighty Mouse.

I want a two button mouse, but have not been able to convince myself to buy anything other than the Apple Pro Mouse. Most two button mice are hideously ugly, and the Mighty Mouse looks great, but its functionality, in my experience, has been terrible. Every time I try it, trying to get used to its buttons, I fail miserably, and sigh as I return home to my one button mouse.

Anyone know of an attractive, mac-style-friendly, two-button/scroll mouse? If you do, I'd dearly love to hear about it.
 
I really dislike the Dock. I don't like how windows can get "behind" it, especially when there's a button or scroll bar that needs to be activated.

I don't think Dashboard has proven its worthiness.

And I miss how the trash in OS 9 would tell you how much you were deleting when you emptied it.

mt
 
Not something I hate about OSX, but something that could confuse newcomers to the system:

When you make an alias of a folder, the content of that folder aren't aliases, but the real items.
So deleting an item of that folder means removing the original, whereas deleting the complete alias of the folder only deletes the alias, not the original folder...which can be confusing I guess.

Another thing which may be confusing to newcomers is the numerous paths to folders and content in a Finder window.
Clicking the home folder opens a path to Movies, Pictures and Documents, which are already there in the Finder's sidebar, a newcomer might wonder if it's the same folder or another?
In this case Windows Start Menu, where you are lead by one path could be easier to comprehend than OSX's Finder.

For me these things are obvious and I never really thought about, but just recently it occured to me that for someone who never worked with OSX or any computer at all it can be very confusing.
 
You can't make certain files and folders "hidden". Parallels, iTunes (iPod Photo Cache) and Vue always place their own folders about the place. If you could Hide them out of sight, that would be nice.
 
Not something I hate about OSX, but something that could confuse newcomers to the system:

When you make an alias of a folder, the content of that folder aren't aliases, but the real items.
So deleting an item of that folder means removing the original, whereas deleting the complete alias of the folder only deletes the alias, not the original folder...which can be confusing I guess.

Another thing which may be confusing to newcomers is the numerous paths to folders and content in a Finder window.
Clicking the home folder opens a path to Movies, Pictures and Documents, which are already there in the Finder's sidebar, a newcomer might wonder if it's the same folder or another?
In this case Windows Start Menu, where you are lead by one path could be easier to comprehend than OSX's Finder.

For me these things are obvious and I never really thought about, but just recently it occured to me that for someone who never worked with OSX or any computer at all it can be very confusing.

I understand your concerns however there's a time when common sense needs to take place. People coming from Windows are used to having to figure out things because the Windows OS can be really maddening. Coming over to a new system requires some common sense and if you are smart enough to use a computer you should be smart enough to figure some things out rather easily.
 
I don't think Dashboard has proven its worthiness.

mt
A great thing about the Dashboard is that if you don't care for it, you'll never see it.

But the Dashboard has definitely proven its worthiness to me. I didn't think it would be that useful -- some secondary screen with secondary tools. But I now use it regularly to check the weather, movie times, drive space stats. It's also handy for tracking packages shipped from Amazon and for the infrequent need to print addresses on envelopes.
 
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