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Again moving into serious mode:

This relationship is toxic and the chances of it improving for the better are slim to none.

It sounds like it has JUST enough good moments to make you think it's worth it, but those don't offset how it seems to genuinely be messing with you mentally.

Call it quits-which won't be easy but has to be done-and do whatever you need to do to get away from her. Turn off your phone for a day or two(I know that's tough), log out of or delete your social media, and if you can it might not even be a bad idea to get out of town for a couple of days. Keep her out of your life long enough to clear your head and confirm your decision.

Yes, it will be difficult, but it sounds like at this point the "nuclear option" is what you need.

To throw in a bit of an anecdote, a couple of years back I was in a short but I'd say rather intense relationship with a young lady who I fell for hard and fast. There was never any sort of physical aspect to the relationship beyond simple kissing-that was talked about early on and for a variety of reasons we were both on the same page with holding off with anything else, but it was "intense" in that emotionally we were closer after a few weeks of dating than I have with other women after a couple of months. I was sure she was "the one" and on the surface everyone who knew me or was around us thought the same. About a month and a half in, she rather abruptly broke things off, only for us to reconcile a week later. Things basically picked up like nothing had ever happened, only for the same thing to happen 6 weeks later(to give an idea of how "out of nowhere" the second time was, she'd come over to watch a movie and had to leave before it was over. We already had plans for a few days later, so she asked me if I wanted to keep the DVD and bring it back to her when we saw each other again-I declined since we'd have time to finish it together then. She called and broke up with me about an hour after she left). Both break ups were as amicable as that sort of thing can be-there was a lot of apologizing on her part and me asking her to reconsider, but there was no anger or cross words being exchanged. Even after the second time, I was still begging her to give things another try even a month later, and would have gone back in a second if she had given the chance(there were times where I thought it was close to happening, although it never did) but it would have been foolish of me to do. The last time I texted her was just a simple how are you doing, and she never responded. It was all for the better.

At the time, I was absolutely devastated both times she ended things. Reflecting on it, though, it was a somewhat toxic relationship in a couple of ways. I do think that a partner should always push you to want to be a better person, but with her I almost always felt like I was being tested and there were things about me that were never going to be "good enough" for her. That was mixed in with her telling me how wonderful and perfect I was, so I never really knew what to expect. I remember at one point challenging me that she felt like I was always "unsure" of how secure our relationship was, when in reality some of her previous behavior had really given me every reason to be.

The point of that, though, is that even though that relationship seemed great at the time, it had its red flags that I was just too blind to ignore. If it had continued, it would have been a similar ongoing emotional roller coaster to what you're now experiencing. I am now making plans to marry a woman who I feel truly IS a wonderful complement to me. Among her many other wonderful qualities, and in contrast to the girl I was speaking of above, although we do challenge each other to improve the other in various subtle and not so subtle ways, we both ultimately recognize that the way we are now is what makes us special and such a great match for each other. Furthermore, we are together because we make a conscious effort to choose to be part of each others lives, not because either of us is desperate for anyone. I could go on forever about why I'm so crazy about the person who will be my wife this time next year, but I'll also say that while building a relationship has been a lot of work it has been enjoyable and not stressful work-and that to me is how it should be.
 
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Again moving into serious mode:

This relationship is toxic and the chances of it improving for the better are slim to none.

It sounds like it has JUST enough good moments to make you think it's worth it, but those don't offset how it seems to genuinely be messing with you mentally.

Call it quits-which won't be easy but has to be done-and do whatever you need to do to get away from her. Turn off your phone for a day or two(I know that's tough), log out of or delete your social media, and if you can it might not even be a bad idea to get out of town for a couple of days. Keep her out of your life long enough to clear your head and confirm your decision.

Yes, it will be difficult, but it sounds like at this point the "nuclear option" is what you need.

To throw in a bit of an anecdote, a couple of years back I was in a short but I'd say rather intense relationship with a young lady who I fell for hard and fast. There was never any sort of physical aspect to the relationship beyond simple kissing-that was talked about early on and for a variety of reasons we were both on the same page with holding off with anything else, but it was "intense" in that emotionally we were closer after a few weeks of dating than I have with other women after a couple of months. I was sure she was "the one" and on the surface everyone who knew me or was around us thought the same. About a month and a half in, she rather abruptly broke things off, only for us to reconcile a week later. Things basically picked up like nothing had ever happened, only for the same thing to happen 6 weeks later(to give an idea of how "out of nowhere" the second time was, she'd come over to watch a movie and had to leave before it was over. We already had plans for a few days later, so she asked me if I wanted to keep the DVD and bring it back to her when we saw each other again-I declined since we'd have time to finish it together then. She called and broke up with me about an hour after she left). Both break ups were as amicable as that sort of thing can be-there was a lot of apologizing on her part and me asking her to reconsider, but there was no anger or cross words being exchanged. Even after the second time, I was still begging her to give things another try even a month later, and would have gone back in a second if she had given the chance(there were times where I thought it was close to happening, although it never did) but it would have been foolish of me to do. The last time I texted her was just a simple how are you doing, and she never responded. It was all for the better.

At the time, I was absolutely devastated both times she ended things. Reflecting on it, though, it was a somewhat toxic relationship in a couple of ways. I do think that a partner should always push you to want to be a better person, but with her I almost always felt like I was being tested and there were things about me that were never going to be "good enough" for her. That was mixed in with her telling me how wonderful and perfect I was, so I never really knew what to expect. I remember at one point challenging me that she felt like I was always "unsure" of how secure our relationship was, when in reality some of her previous behavior had really given me every reason to be.

The point of that, though, is that even though that relationship seemed great at the time, it had its red flags that I was just too blind to ignore. If it had continued, it would have been a similar ongoing emotional roller coaster to what you're now experiencing. I am now making plans to marry a woman who I feel truly IS a wonderful complement to me. Among her many other wonderful qualities, and in contrast to the girl I was speaking of above, although we do challenge each other to improve the other in various subtle and not so subtle ways, we both ultimately recognize that the way we are now is what makes us special and such a great match for each other. Furthermore, we are together because we make a conscious effort to choose to be part of each others lives, not because either of us is desperate for anyone. I could go on forever about why I'm so crazy about the person who will be my wife this time next year, but I'll also say that while building a relationship has been a lot of work it has been enjoyable and not stressful work-and that to me is how it should be.

Yes I’m afraid it’s true, that it won’t improve. I feel devastated but I’m starting to accept after reading on here that this is reality no matter how much I hope it will get better. Like you basically said, I smile at our good memories and just want it to go back to that. But it hasn’t (so far) but I just keep thinking if I hang on it will. Right now I check social media a lot but I should probably stop looking at hers or just take a break from it all together (very hard). Turning off my phone is possible but I feel like if she texts me at night and it’s off she’ll think I’m with another girl, but the point is not to please her, the point is to get away from her. I understand that. I thought about leaving town, going out to the fields of New York where it's peaceful and quiet or just anywhere for a week and relax. But I just feel like this is my town. Why should she have the power to kick me out of it? This is not just my town, this is my home.

I’m sorry to hear about that girl man. Sounds crazy to me. It’s so hard to handle things like that. When you say talk about red flags, I so agree that it’s easy to ignore and just push aside because all I’m thinking about are the good times. I don’t want to believe the signs. I just want to believe that it will be ok or that “girls do this, it’s no big deal” or “just handle it, be a man.” But now I’m in a position where I’m really bad by just ignoring the signs. I’m glad you found someone. From reading about her, I just feel like when you find the right girl, you just kind of know. It’s not painful with good moments. It’s pleasant with good moments. I hope I find that too one day

I should also mention that I have tried dumping her not once but twice. The first time she got angry and started cussing and yelling so I took her back. The 2nd time I dumped her, I regretted it and immediately said I wanted her and only her and then the same day she replied saying she wanted the same so we got back together.

I don't know this whole thing has been a mess.
 
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Yes I’m afraid it’s true, that it won’t improve. I feel devastated but I’m starting to accept after reading on here that this is reality no matter how much I hope it will get better. Like you basically said, I smile at our good memories and just want it to go back to that. But it hasn’t (so far) but I just keep thinking if I hang on it will. Right now I check social media a lot but I should probably stop looking at hers or just take a break from it all together (very hard). Turning off my phone is possible but I feel like if she texts me at night and it’s off she’ll think I’m with another girl, but the point is not to please her, the point is to get away from her. I understand that. I thought about leaving town, going out to the fields of New York where it's peaceful and quiet or just anywhere for a week and relax. But I just feel like this is my town. Why should she have the power to kick me out of it? This is not just my town, this is my home.

I’m sorry to hear about that girl man. Sounds crazy to me. It’s so hard to handle things like that. When you say talk about red flags, I so agree that it’s easy to ignore and just push aside because all I’m thinking about are the good times. I don’t want to believe the signs. I just want to believe that it will be ok or that “girls do this, it’s no big deal” or “just handle it, be a man.” But now I’m in a position where I’m really bad by just ignoring the signs. I’m glad you found someone. From reading about her, I just feel like when you find the right girl, you just kind of know. It’s not painful with good moments. It’s pleasant with good moments. I hope I find that too one day

I should also mention that I have tried dumping her not once but twice. The first time she got angry and started cussing and yelling so I took her back. The 2nd time I dumped her, I regretted it and immediately said I wanted her and only her and then the same day she replied saying she wanted the same so we got back together.

I don't know this whole thing has been a mess.


I understand the thing about not letter her have power over you, but at the same time in a sense if you do just get away for a few days YOU are making the decision to completely cut her out of your life. Yes, it's perhaps extreme, but it may be what you need to get your head screwed back on straight.

As for the situation I talked about-I don't regret it. When things were good, we had a great time together and I do have some good memories from my time with her. It was also-in a sense-an experience I needed to go through. It taught me a lot about myself both in my time with her and after, she DID encourage me to make some good and lasting changes in my life, it taught me what to be on alert for, and even more importantly I don't think I would have realized just HOW much I had to be thankful for with the lady who is now my fiancée when I met her ~4 months after my last contact with the other girl I was talking about. She ultimately was not right for me and there was a lot wrong with that relationship when I really dig into the whys and hows of it, but I wouldn't have known that without experiencing it.

So, my advice, from one stranger on the internet to another-cut things off with the girl who is causing you so much stress now. Learn from it, and move on. That's easy for me to say, but it's ultimately what seems to me to be the healthiest decision for you.
 
I understand the thing about not letter her have power over you, but at the same time in a sense if you do just get away for a few days YOU are making the decision to completely cut her out of your life. Yes, it's perhaps extreme, but it may be what you need to get your head screwed back on straight.

As for the situation I talked about-I don't regret it. When things were good, we had a great time together and I do have some good memories from my time with her. It was also-in a sense-an experience I needed to go through. It taught me a lot about myself both in my time with her and after, she DID encourage me to make some good and lasting changes in my life, it taught me what to be on alert for, and even more importantly I don't think I would have realized just HOW much I had to be thankful for with the lady who is now my fiancée when I met her ~4 months after my last contact with the other girl I was talking about. She ultimately was not right for me and there was a lot wrong with that relationship when I really dig into the whys and hows of it, but I wouldn't have known that without experiencing it.

So, my advice, from one stranger on the internet to another-cut things off with the girl who is causing you so much stress now. Learn from it, and move on. That's easy for me to say, but it's ultimately what seems to me to be the healthiest decision for you.

ok I will do my best to cut things off. I’m going to start with social media. That’s the main thing for me bc I keep checking it. Refreshing to see if there’s any updates. And then I’ll work my way up from there. But I think that would be huge for me.
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snapchat deactivated

instagram deactivated

Facebook logged out

twitter, deleted her from there but kept the app just to browse news, funny tweets
 
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I think a lot of girls do this. They just want everything they can get out of you mentally and then when you're broken they'll leave you.

Probably better to just leave first.
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Thank you SO much. I cannot thank you enough for this advice.

I feel like you're helping me change my life for the better.

I feel so bad with this woman.

After our last argument I've developed terrible anxiety. I can't sleep. It's affected relationships with the people around me badly. I've just been arguing and mad at them too for no real reason.

I feel like I need more anti-anxiety medication from my doctor or something.

It's so easy to get stuck and just continue in an abusive relationship bc of the hope that it will get better and the fear of starting over.

I needed a voice out there to help me see what's really going on and help me know what to do about it.

Honestly man I appreciate this so much.

No stress.

It's difficult to see when you're the one in the situation and it sucks to try and get out (believe me, the ex i was with dealing with this stuff was over a period of 2 years). We split several times before i finally ended it.

The person you're with should be a source of support, happiness and stability. They shouldn't turn you into a mess.
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Call it quits-which won't be easy but has to be done-and do whatever you need to do to get away from her. Turn off your phone for a day or two(I know that's tough), log out of or delete your social media, and if you can it might not even be a bad idea to get out of town for a couple of days. Keep her out of your life long enough to clear your head and confirm your decision.

I second this.

Now is the time to get out of the house and do things with friends - that aren't in her circle of friends.

Whether it is sport/gym/hiking/camping/drinking/whatever.

Get out of your own head, socialise, meet new people, etc.
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Turning off my phone is possible but I feel like if she texts me at night and it’s off she’ll think I’m with another girl

Let her think whatever she wants. She's not your problem any more.
 
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As for the situation I talked about-I don't regret it. When things were good, we had a great time together and I do have some good memories from my time with her. It was also-in a sense-an experience I needed to go through.

Again, i second this also.

This is how we learn. You tried, it didn't work - sometimes people just aren't compatible with each other, or are in the wrong stage of their life for what the other wants or whatever.

The reason doesn't matter so much as the end result. Learn from it - and move on. You don't need to (and shouldn't be) malicious about it. But if things don't work then they just don't work.

Be aware, the girl may try to "make things up to you" or turn on the tears or whatever, maybe get mad, or maybe all of the above to see what works this time. Just remember how things have made you feel for the past few months.

Don't ever, ever settle for "well, i guess this is what i have to deal with" or whatever. It shouldn't be like that and you'd just end up resenting each other eventually.
 
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No stress.

It's difficult to see when you're the one in the situation and it sucks to try and get out (believe me, the ex i was with dealing with this stuff was over a period of 2 years). We split several times before i finally ended it.

The person you're with should be a source of support, happiness and stability. They shouldn't turn you into a mess.
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I second this.

Now is the time to get out of the house and do things with friends - that aren't in her circle of friends.

Whether it is sport/gym/hiking/camping/drinking/whatever.

Get out of your own head, socialise, meet new people, etc.
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Let her think whatever she wants. She's not your problem any more.

I was gonna ask some old friends but they are her friends so I'll find something else.

I'm going to make a grand plan for this weekend. In fact I already feel better just thinking about it.

I've limited social media and it's only been a few hours but I already feel like I can think more clearly. It's been very helpful @bunnspecial

And yes I'm just going to turn my phone off. Idc what she thinks. Just having it off at night brings me peace bc I know I won't hear from her.
 
Again, i second this also.

This is how we learn. You tried, it didn't work - sometimes people just aren't compatible with each other, or are in the wrong stage of their life for what the other wants or whatever.

The reason doesn't matter so much as the end result. Learn from it - and move on. You don't need to (and shouldn't be) malicious about it. But if things don't work then they just don't work.

Be aware, the girl may try to "make things up to you" or turn on the tears or whatever, maybe get mad, or maybe all of the above to see what works this time. Just remember how things have made you feel for the past few months.

Don't ever, ever settle for "well, i guess this is what i have to deal with" or whatever. It shouldn't be like that and you'd just end up resenting each other eventually.

This is the hardest part for me.

I have this bad habit of thinking I just need to "man up" and take it. Like I should be able to handle it.

She is almost a decade younger than me. So I feel like I should be the "adult" and navigate it and make it work.

But that's where I realize I am wrong from reading y'alls posts.

I don't have to "be strong" and just "put up with it" or "be a man"

If it's not working, LEAVE and find someone better. That takes more courage than staying actually.
 
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This is the hardest part for me.

I have this bad habit of thinking I just need to "man up" and take it. Like I should be able to handle it.

She is almost a decade younger than me. So I feel like I should be the "adult" and navigate it and make it work.

But that's where I realize I am wrong from reading y'alls posts.

I don't have to "be strong" and just "put up with it" or "be a man"

If it's not working, LEAVE and find someone better. That takes more courage than staying actually.

I am not an expert but you clearly misunderstood what "man up" really means. It means being able to say: No, this is not acceptable. Don't rationalise other people's actions, as you simply don't know what their true motivation really is.
 
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I was gonna ask some old friends but they are her friends so I'll find something else.

Join a club, sports, gym, go to a bar and talk to new people or whatever. Try to do things in the real world, try stay off social media. Social media in general is toxic (and you'll be far less likely to get dragged into dialog with the ex if you aren't constantly on it or checking it), real life is what matters :D

If it's not working, LEAVE and find someone better. That takes more courage than staying actually.

That it does. It's not easy.

The easiest thing is to "do nothing" and just hope things will sort themselves out with minimal effort (but that's a long term waste of time and you're prolonging the inevitable). But once you can break the cycle you'll eventually feel better and can try things out with someone else. You're certainly not going to find that someone else while you're going around in circles with this one.

Might take weeks, days, years or whatever. But the sooner you take the first step the sooner that will be.
 
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Women like the one OP is describing were around when I grew up too (High school in early-mid 1970s) and I had a couple of bad girlfriends that were abusive and used me. There always has and always will be people like that.
 
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Women like the one OP is describing were around when I grew up too (High school in early-mid 1970s) and I had a couple of bad girlfriends that were abusive and used me. There always has and always will be people like that.

Right.
Charlie Sheen in "Two And A Half Men": "People are gonna do whatever they gonna do in this world, the only thing that a man can control is his own actions." And then the bell rings in Pavlov's Dogs...
 
Join a club, sports, gym, go to a bar and talk to new people or whatever. Try to do things in the real world, try stay off social media. Social media in general is toxic (and you'll be far less likely to get dragged into dialog with the ex if you aren't constantly on it or checking it), real life is what matters :D



That it does. It's not easy.

The easiest thing is to "do nothing" and just hope things will sort themselves out with minimal effort (but that's a long term waste of time and you're prolonging the inevitable). But once you can break the cycle you'll eventually feel better and can try things out with someone else. You're certainly not going to find that someone else while you're going around in circles with this one.

Might take weeks, days, years or whatever. But the sooner you take the first step the sooner that will be.

Right the minimal effort part is what gets me. I would rather just try to fix what I have then start over. But that's why I'm not thriving right now if I change my attitude then it'll be better.

The best way to see it is that when i find someone else it'll be just as good as it is now in terms of the good parts, but there won't be so much bad bc there won't be much to fix
 
Is it truly a breakup if she hasn’t said I love you though? Maybe if Touch ID would be reintegrated into the touchbar and made optional at an additional cost on the 2020 MacBook pro, maybe all would be well in this relationship.
 
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Women like the one OP is describing were around when I grew up too (High school in early-mid 1970s) and I had a couple of bad girlfriends that were abusive and used me. There always has and always will be people like that.

It definitely feels better finding support and knowing that I am not alone and that this has been going on for a long time.

I know she did the same things to her last man but it was much worse bc he was younger than her.

I'm almost a decade older and still it's hard
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Right.
Charlie Sheen in "Two And A Half Men": "People are gonna do whatever they gonna do in this world, the only thing that a man can control is his own actions." And then the bell rings in Pavlov's Dogs...

Exactly.

Good to remind myself when you're in a relationship that is wack and you can't do anything to fix it.

People are gonna do what people are gonna do. But I can change what I do.

I don't have to put up with it.
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I should mention I broke up with her again a few hours ago but now she's saying things that would me happy and our relationship better.

I don't know whether to trust her or not - probably not.

This is the 3rd time I've broken up with her.

1st time - She got mad and started cussing and all that so i took her back

2nd time- I immediately regretted it and said I want her and only her and then later that day she said she wanted the same

3rd time (today) - She's saying it won't be like this anymore, it will be better

Yikes :eek:

EDIT: NEVERMIND. Back to fighting. Forget her.
 
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I should mention I broke up with her again a few hours ago but now she's saying things that would me happy and our relationship better.

Be aware, the girl may try to "make things up to you" or turn on the tears or whatever, maybe get mad, or maybe all of the above to see what works this time. Just remember how things have made you feel for the past few months.

Need I say more?

Expect her to alternate between lovey, crazy and angry until she realises that none of it is working.
 
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Need I say more?

Expect her to alternate between lovey, crazy and angry until she realises that none of it is working.

you hit the nail on the head!

Now she’s being lovey again, right after being angry.

and she wants to spend the night together this weekend.

tempting...

what will she do when she realizes none of it is working???
 
what will she do when she realizes none of it is working???

Eventually give up and leave you alone.
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tempting...

Don't.... unless you want this cycle to continue...

This is why you need to break contact (like, for at least a month before even entertaining any thoughts of re-evaluation or reconciliation), go do other things. Turn off message notifications, spend time with other people. If you're moping about home, you might be tempted. If you're out partying or camping or whatever, you won't be.

Not that i'd suggest trying to reconcile this. But if that's even ever a possibility, she needs to be aware of the consequences of her screwing you around, and 24 hours or a day or so just isn't a thing.

You are now single. Stop talking to her, go out and find somebody else!
 
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You do need to say more. She is flaky and he is weak. After all universe is fair and gives us what we deserve.

I think that's maybe a bit harsh. More likely misguided or inexperienced.

You don't need to be a macho tough guy. But you do need to realise when you're getting taken advantage of, and stop it from happening.
 
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I think that's maybe a bit harsh. More likely misguided or inexperienced.

You don't need to be a macho tough guy. But you do need to realise when you're getting taken advantage of, and stop it from happening.

Tough macho IS weak. You clearly don't understand a concept of "fighting without fighting"(as Bruce Lee explains it to a bully in "Enter The Dragon").
 
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You are clearly making assumptions. It looks like did the same with your post. Lets leave it at that.

Isn't it ironic that you made an assumption that I've made an assumption? I believe this is just an internet thing where everybody does it(Although topic starter provided enough evidence to warrant my post. Sure you can sugarcoat it if you will.) I am more than happy to leave it at that.
 
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Assume it!

You have to break out of the cycle. If you keep going back to her she will never take the real break up seriously and it will cause a lot of trouble. Don't need more of that. Cut your losses, in the end you will be better off.
 
You do need to say more. She is flaky and he is weak. After all universe is fair and gives us what we deserve.

Weak? Heck yeah I’m weak for a gorgeous college girl in her early 20s. Wouldn’t you? But that doesn’t mean I can’t learn
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Don't.... unless you want this cycle to continue...

This is why you need to break contact (like, for at least a month before even entertaining any thoughts of re-evaluation or reconciliation), go do other things. Turn off message notifications, spend time with other people. If you're moping about home, you might be tempted. If you're out partying or camping or whatever, you won't be.

Not that i'd suggest trying to reconcile this. But if that's even ever a possibility, she needs to be aware of the consequences of her screwing you around, and 24 hours or a day or so just isn't a thing.

You are now single. Stop talking to her, go out and find somebody else!

Ok I will work on this. I need to tell myself not to get sucked back in. If we’re going to spend the night it’s so tempting but I have to understand if I stay with her it will be hell in a few days after and I’ll be back to being miserable suffering from panic attacks and outbursts of anger and sleepless nights.

not worth it!!!
 
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