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Weak? Heck yeah I’m weak for a gorgeous college girl in her early 20s. Wouldn’t you? But that doesn’t mean I can’t learn

Sounds like the type who thinks she can and should manipulate guys to do whatever she wants.

There's a lot more to looks if you're looking for someone to settle down with.

She's not going to be early 20s and physically attractive forever. The attitude though is normally a pretty set character trait by that point....
 
Weak? Heck yeah I’m weak for a gorgeous college girl in her early 20s. Wouldn’t you? But that doesn’t mean I can’t learn

I would say she'd better be gorgeous with a 14 page thread dedicated to her and a bunch of guys ready to fight each other. You don't have to explain that it is very hard to be strong.
Keep in mind that in the end it is not about being a "hero" or a "loser", it is about what works and what doesn't. Being weak may work short term, being strong works long term and saves lives/mental health of everyone around you.
 
Sounds like the type who thinks she can and should manipulate guys to do whatever she wants.

There's a lot more to looks if you're looking for someone to settle down with.

She's not going to be early 20s and physically attractive forever. The attitude though is normally a pretty set character trait by that point....

And if the OP remains determined to measure women solely in terms of their physical appearance, as a validation of his own self-worth, and self-image, (insisting on "10s", and not seeing deeming any other quality worthy of interest) this is the kind of person he will persist in attracting, and be attracted to.

Thus, this cycle of behaviour will be repeated ad nauseam.

The only difference here, is that this woman treated the OP as he had already apparently treated many others.
 
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I would say she'd better be gorgeous with a 14 page thread dedicated to her and a bunch of guys ready to fight each other. You don't have to explain that it is very hard to be strong.
Keep in mind that in the end it is not about being a "hero" or a "loser", it is about what works and what doesn't. Being weak may work short term, being strong works long term and saves lives/mental health of everyone around you.

Lol! This made me laugh. Yes she’s pretty gorgeous

“I would say she'd better be gorgeous with a 14 page thread dedicated to her and a bunch of guys ready to fight each other.” 😂

And you’re right. I didn’t think of it that way. It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about whether or not it’s working. That should be the metric. I should not feel like I failed. I should instead be like “you know what, this isn’t working. Time to move on”’ rather than “I need to make this work. I don’t want to fail”

makes perfect sense
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Sounds like the type who thinks she can and should manipulate guys to do whatever she wants.

There's a lot more to looks if you're looking for someone to settle down with.

She's not going to be early 20s and physically attractive forever. The attitude though is normally a pretty set character trait by that point....

YES! She does think that she can manipulate guys. In fact, that’s her business- deceit and manipulation. Her good looks and charm is what makes her pull it off. I can’t say she’s a con-artist, but I mean she causes a lot of destruction.

And you’re right. If we got married and eventually her looks fade, it would NOT be worth it!!!
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And if the OP remains determined to measure women solely in terms of their physical appearance, as a validation of his own self-worth, and self-image, (insisting on "10s", and not seeing deeming any other quality worthy of interest) this is the kind of person he will persist in attracting, and be attracted to.

Thus, this cycle of behaviour will be repeated ad nauseam.

The only difference here, is that this woman treated the OP as he had already apparently treated many others.

Now is not the time to turn it back on OP and blame him for the abuse. Low blow.
 
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Dude...yea, I'm talking to you this way for a reason. Just be you, WITHOUT expectations, and do not!!!!!... be the weakling, the needy guy. That just looks like you need a mother, not an "equal." Let her call you, meaning give her time to want, and to miss you. It's called disicipline and being a real man who is enough without her. Then she'll want you. Because the way you're playing this, it looks like a "mommy/baby boy" relationship, dude. That may be kinky, but chances are she's not into it, lol.

The truth is, no person or outside thing will ever make you truly happy, they can bring you aspects of jhappiness but not complete fullfilment. That's your job, through the process of learning who you are as person and loving yourself. Then you are enough, and your feet are planted 10,000 feet into the earth, and you cannot be swayed by the opinions or acceptance of others. As long as you appear needy, you're a loser dude, and your name will be "dude," lol.
 
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Dude...yea, I'm talking to you this way for a reason. Just be you, WITHOUT expectations, and do not!!!!!... be the weakling, the needy guy. That just looks like you need a mother, not an "equal." Let her call you, meaning give her time to want, and to miss you. It's called disicipline and being a real man who is enough without her. Then she'll want you. Because the way you're playing this, it looks like a "mommy/baby boy" relationship, dude. That may be kinky, but chances are she's not into it, lol.

The truth is, no person or outside thing will ever make you truly happy, they can bring you aspects of jhappiness but not complete fullfilment. That's your job, through the process of learning who you are as person and loving yourself. Then you are enough, and your feet are planted 10,000 feet into the earth, and you cannot be swayed by the opinions or acceptance of others. As long as you appear needy, you're a loser dude, and your name will be "dude," lol.

The thing is, she likes it when I text her a lot and get angry with her.

She thinks "I care" if I get mad and when she can drive me nuts.

But, to counterbalance looking like a weakling, I've dumped her literally 3 times. I haven't thought about this directly like "I don't want to look like a weakling let me dump her" but that's just how it's played out.

So she knows I might give her all the attention in the world, but I'll leave too. I don't NEED her.
 
Now is not the time to turn it back on OP and blame him for the abuse. Low blow.

If this is the type of person you choose, again and again, and these are the attributes that attract you, yes, it is on you.

So she knows I might give her all the attention in the world, but I'll leave too. I don't NEED her.

You NEED the attention she brings you. You have admitted you love the drama of this dysfunctional relationship - if relationship it is.

Moreover, in a world where you define women solely by appearance, and where everything is deemed transactional (her looks for his assets) superficial relationships seem to be the norm, not the exception.
 
Here are the options available for my weekend:

1) See her, which we decided was a resounding NO

2) Take this girl I used to know out on a dinner date. I texted her and she wants to go.The only thing is, she lives a 2 HR drive away from me. But she’s gorgeous. As gorgeous as this girl. She’s almost a decade younger than me and in college, kind of like the girl I was seeing now

3) Go to the Apple store, play with cool tech, maybe buy some accessories, a new iPhone case, splurge a little, maybe a HomePod, and so on

——

1 is tempting but I have to be strong and realize the rest of my life will be like this as long as she’s in it.

2 is great I just don’t want to drive so far

3 is not bad but pretty low key
 
The thing is, she likes it when I text her a lot and get angry with her.

She thinks "I care" if I get mad and when she can drive me nuts.

But, to counterbalance looking like a weakling, I've dumped her literally 3 times. I haven't thought about this directly like "I don't want to look like a weakling let me dump her" but that's just how it's played out.

So she knows I might give her all the attention in the world, but I'll leave too. I don't NEED her.

You got it all backwards. There is no such thing as "counterbalancing looking like a weakling". You have a very limited window of opportunity to present yourself in a certain way. Does James Bond(Sean Connery) needs to "counterbalance looking like a weakling"? You can't be flaky one day and then expect to be treated with any amount of respect the next day. It does not work that way.

That is why I was stressing earlier that by being weak you are putting the lives of everybody around you in danger, as the way the humans work is that sooner or later every weak guy would want to get his respect from others and the chances are he will go about it the wrong way.
 
Here are the options available for my weekend:

1) See her, which we decided was a resounding NO

2) Take this girl I used to know out on a dinner date. I texted her and she wants to go.The only thing is, she lives a 2 HR drive away from me. But she’s gorgeous. As gorgeous as this girl. She’s almost a decade younger than me and in college, kind of like the girl I was seeing now

3) Go to the Apple store, play with cool tech, maybe buy some accessories, a new iPhone case, splurge a little, maybe a HomePod, and so on

——

1 is tempting but I have to be strong and realize the rest of my life will be like this as long as she’s in it.

2 is great I just don’t want to drive so far

3 is not bad but pretty low key

Took me 3 days to finish this thread. I'm curious, how old are you? What kind of work do you do for a living? Do you have many stable long term relationships with friends and family that are not sexual? The things you are discussing here should be done with close friends and family who really know you - strangers here don't really know what drives you, what you need, and of whatever you are afraid.

1) it's not working out, stay away.

2) If she's not worth a 2 hour drive stay away. If you haven't completely and mutually ended relationship in #1 also stay away.

3) Best option - retail therapy.
 
The thing is, she likes it when I text her a lot and get angry with her.

She thinks "I care" if I get mad and when she can drive me nuts.

But, to counterbalance looking like a weakling, I've dumped her literally 3 times. I haven't thought about this directly like "I don't want to look like a weakling let me dump her" but that's just how it's played out.

So she knows I might give her all the attention in the world, but I'll leave too. I don't NEED her.

You can’t change others. You can however learn to change yourself.
 
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You got it all backwards. There is no such thing as "counterbalancing looking like a weakling". You have a very limited window of opportunity to present yourself in a certain way. Does James Bond(Sean Connery) needs to "counterbalance looking like a weakling"? You can't be flaky one day and then expect to be treated with any amount of respect the next day. It does not work that way.

That is why I was stressing earlier that by being weak you are putting the lives of everybody around you in danger, as the way the humans work is that sooner or later every weak guy would want to get his respect from others and the chances are he will go about it the wrong way.

She knows I have plans with another girl this weekend unless things straighten out.

I told her straight.

so...if she thinks I’m weak...at least she knows she’s replaceable

i also don’t think it is weak to text multiple times to say what you want

if you act like you don’t care, time gets wasted.

I’m not going to waste my time waiting around to hear back from her. One of the annoying things she does.

James Bond is a movie. In the real world it’s just better to say what you have to say and let it all out. Doesn’t matter.

I’ve tried being cool with her acting like I don’t care. Still end up in a horrible spot.

better to argue and get angry if I feel that way than be quiet so she knows what I want and how I feel. then there’s a chance things will change
 
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Here are the options available for my weekend:

1) See her, which we decided was a resounding NO

2) Take this girl I used to know out on a dinner date. I texted her and she wants to go.The only thing is, she lives a 2 HR drive away from me. But she’s gorgeous. As gorgeous as this girl. She’s almost a decade younger than me and in college, kind of like the girl I was seeing now

3) Go to the Apple store, play with cool tech, maybe buy some accessories, a new iPhone case, splurge a little, maybe a HomePod, and so on

Or, you know....you could just spend some time on your own, figuring out who YOU are...without buying more computers, more phones, more stuff. Just be and figure out you.
 
Or, you know....you could just spend some time on your own, figuring out who YOU are...without buying more computers, more phones, more stuff. Just be and figure out you.

that would be wasted time. Would be better browsing the Apple store. Maybe the mall to and get new clothes. I always need new clothes and it’s always hard for me find something I like AND is in my size.

Right now I’m going with option B though.

Might need a Red Bull for the drive but it’s probably worth it.
 
Good news.

I think she’s pulling away. On Facebook and Instagram stories she’s posting all this stuff about how sometimes you need to move on blah blah

Make the decision easy for me, and PLEASE move on. Good riddance! I’ve dumped her 3 times for a reason!

I’m pretty certain I’m seeing the new girl. Long drive but hey gotta find the energy and just do it.

and besides. Whoever goes on Instagram stories to “hiss“ at someone. A veiled threat you could say. if you want to leave. Leave. I do too.
 
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She knows I have plans with another girl this weekend unless things straighten out.

I told her straight.

so...if she thinks I’m weak...at least she knows she’s replaceable

i also don’t think it is weak to text multiple times to say what you want

if you act like you don’t care, time gets wasted.

I’m not going to waste my time waiting around to hear back from her. One of the annoying things she does.

James Bond is a movie. In the real world it’s just better to say what you have to say and let it all out. Doesn’t matter.

I’ve tried being cool with her acting like I don’t care. Still end up in a horrible spot.

better to argue and get angry if I feel that way than be quiet so she knows what I want and how I feel. then there’s a chance things will change

Projecting power to the outside world is a concept that is not very easy to grasp. I witnessed the guys getting girls without even saying a single word. Unless you are born with it, it is not very easy to fake.

I check that my car is closed 10 times by running around it and checking every door. How do you think I look in this moment to the outside world? Surely it does not make me appear weak? It is the little things that make all the difference and multiple txting is one of them.

When you say that James Bond is just a movie, you kind of imply(maybe unintentionally) that in real life a guy like you can chase Sean Connery around the block.

Don't get me wrong, we can't all be James Bond. There is no shame in "mommy/baby boy" relationship, it is actually very mature to accept yourself for who you are and make your weaknesses and traumas work for you in a grand scheme of things. The only problem is that not many girls will be happy with that relationship. So "be yourself" is not a very good strategy in this particular case.
 
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Projecting power to the outside world is a concept that is not very easy to grasp. I witnessed the guys getting girls without even saying a single word. Unless you are born with it, it is not very easy to fake.

I check that my car is closed 10 times by running around it and checking every door. How do you think I look in this moment to the outside world? Surely it does not make me appear weak? It is the little things that make all the difference and multiple txting is one of them.

When you say that James Bond is just a movie, you kind of imply(maybe unintentionally) that in real life a guy like you can chase Sean Connery around the block.

Don't get me wrong, we can't all be James Bond. There is no shame in "mommy/baby boy" relationship, it is actually very mature to accept yourself for who you are and make your weaknesses and traumas work for you in a grand scheme of things. The only problem is that not many girls will be happy with that relationship. So "be yourself" is not a very good strategy in this particular case.

But the thing is I’ve tried that already.

if I don’t text and get upset all that happens is my time gets wasted. That’s it. She just acts horribly. She gets upset for no reason. She does all this stuff to needle me.

at least now she’s doing more of what I want and not being as bad trying to needle me.

and btw she said we’re on for this weekend so 🤷‍♂️
 
Wow... I never expected to run into one of these types of discussions on MacRumors forums. And frankly, I skipped from page 1 to the last page because I just can't get through 15+ pages of discussion about it.

But as a self-described "tech/computer geek" who always found dating and relationships "difficult" and is too introverted to just go up to strangers and chat them up in bars or clubs? I can only chime in with a few random thoughts.

1. Attempts to date women 10 years+ younger than you have like a 90% chance of not ending well, at least when they're in their 20's or early 30's. It's a big ego boost knowing that someone younger and attractive like that is willing to go out with you. I get it. Been there, done that. But MOST of the time, the women interested in older guys have some issues. Possible they had some kind of sexual trauma in their life as a teen and never really resolved it in their minds completely? Others are just into manipulation and feel like older guys are more "pliable". (EG. They know they're more physically attractive than the guy can normally get for himself, so they try to get you to spend more money on them than someone else would, who really cared about you and the relationship.) If you're ok with such things being no more than casual hookups that you won't get your feelings all tangled up in, it's probably great. But I bet you're more like me .... I have a hard time not falling for those people as more than what was originally intended and then I have a mess to try to get back out of.

2. I don't know where you've been meeting the women you're trying to go on dates with? But if you're doing the online dating thing, you have to realize women on there have a "kid in a candy store" mentality about it. Those sites often cost guys money but women can use them unlimited for free. So there's an imbalance right off the bat. Even when the sites are free for everyone, women tend to get bombarded with 50 emails for every one you might receive back. It quickly goes to their head, and many of them will play games like accepting dates with you only to disappear as soon as a "more promising" guy starts talking with them. Some even just use the sites as a ticket for free meals and drinks whenever their own bank accounts run low. You can meet the "right one" with online dating. I firmly believe that. But you have to approach it knowing what you're getting into and assume NOTHING is serious until it just becomes obvious that it must be. It worked well for me, since again, I suck at going out in social settings and just meeting new people in person. But it took a LOT of hours of wasted time, rejections, and dates that were little more than excuses to get out of the house and eat a good meal.
 
Wow... I never expected to run into one of these types of discussions on MacRumors forums. And frankly, I skipped from page 1 to the last page because I just can't get through 15+ pages of discussion about it.

But as a self-described "tech/computer geek" who always found dating and relationships "difficult" and is too introverted to just go up to strangers and chat them up in bars or clubs? I can only chime in with a few random thoughts.

1. Attempts to date women 10 years+ younger than you have like a 90% chance of not ending well, at least when they're in their 20's or early 30's. It's a big ego boost knowing that someone younger and attractive like that is willing to go out with you. I get it. Been there, done that. But MOST of the time, the women interested in older guys have some issues. Possible they had some kind of sexual trauma in their life as a teen and never really resolved it in their minds completely? Others are just into manipulation and feel like older guys are more "pliable". (EG. They know they're more physically attractive than the guy can normally get for himself, so they try to get you to spend more money on them than someone else would, who really cared about you and the relationship.) If you're ok with such things being no more than casual hookups that you won't get your feelings all tangled up in, it's probably great. But I bet you're more like me .... I have a hard time not falling for those people as more than what was originally intended and then I have a mess to try to get back out of.

2. I don't know where you've been meeting the women you're trying to go on dates with? But if you're doing the online dating thing, you have to realize women on there have a "kid in a candy store" mentality about it. Those sites often cost guys money but women can use them unlimited for free. So there's an imbalance right off the bat. Even when the sites are free for everyone, women tend to get bombarded with 50 emails for every one you might receive back. It quickly goes to their head, and many of them will play games like accepting dates with you only to disappear as soon as a "more promising" guy starts talking with them. Some even just use the sites as a ticket for free meals and drinks whenever their own bank accounts run low. You can meet the "right one" with online dating. I firmly believe that. But you have to approach it knowing what you're getting into and assume NOTHING is serious until it just becomes obvious that it must be. It worked well for me, since again, I suck at going out in social settings and just meeting new people in person. But it took a LOT of hours of wasted time, rejections, and dates that were little more than excuses to get out of the house and eat a good meal.

no this isn’t online. I have a decent network of friends and Would say networking is something I’m quite good at. Imo I’m also good at marketing and selling my strong points and making a name for myself, which helps.

I don’t want to date someone my age bc I look pretty young for my age I have heard.

I agree an older person would be more likely to work.

many ~30 year old women I know who are single would LOVE to marry a well off guy and have children before it’s too late

I don’t want someone who just goes to work and reads the newspaper

I want someone with life and enthusiasm which tends to be lacking once people get older.

I’m older, but still have great spirit. I love life and my enthusiasm for it is young.

do I catch feelings? Of course. I’m human. But it’s more about the arguing and nonsense. That’s what drives me crazy.

my feelings can just as easily go if there’s nonsense just as quickly as they came when things were good
 
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Ok ... Well, you and I are probably a bit different then. I have a relatively small group of people I call friends, BUT I consider them to be real, true, serious friends. Most are people I've kept in touch with for 20 years or more. (I'm in my late 40's.)

I don't make new friends easily or often, but when it happens, it's because we really clicked for some reason and I feel like they're worth investing the effort in hanging onto them.

I will say that especially when I was younger, some of my dates were women who knew other friends of mine. That was always easier for me than trying to meet an absolute stranger. But I've also found the friends that enjoy "playing matchmaker" tended NOT to really find good matches for me, so much as trying to do other friends favors to keep them from being single. Those dates never really worked out as anything longer-term.

One thing I can say I've realized, now that I've gotten a bit past my 30's? You're absolutely right. A lot of women feel their biological clock ticking when they get to be 30-35 and feel a lot of pressure to find "Mr. Right" and settle down. If they had kids younger, they often got divorced and by 30-35, they feel that same pressure except the goal is finding a good father-figure / provider type of guy instead of one to start a family with. Problem is? By the time many of them get into their 40's, they realize they acted with their emotions more than with logic and a rational consideration of who they REALLY want to have as a life partner.


no this isn’t online. I have a decent network of friends and Would say networking is something I’m quite good at. Imo I’m also good at marketing and selling my strong points and making a name for myself, which helps.

I don’t want to date someone my age bc I look pretty young for my age I have heard.

I agree an older person would be more likely to work.

many ~30 year old women I know who are single would LOVE to marry a well off guy and have children before it’s too late

I don’t want someone who just goes to work and reads the newspaper

I want someone with life and enthusiasm which tends to be lacking once people get older.

I’m older, but still have great spirit. I love life and my enthusiasm for it is young.

do I catch feelings? Of course. I’m human. But it’s more about the arguing and nonsense. That’s what drives me crazy.
 
But the thing is I’ve tried that already.

if I don’t text and get upset all that happens is my time gets wasted. That’s it. She just acts horribly. She gets upset for no reason. She does all this stuff to needle me.

at least now she’s doing more of what I want and not being as bad trying to needle me.

and btw she said we’re on for this weekend so 🤷‍♂️

I am sorry but "all you've tried " was a weak attempts at faking the strong. Nothing wrong with faking but you've never followed through. You never "closed the deal".

In a grand scheme of things this girl is actually adequate and giving the weak men what they deserve - total lack of respect.
 
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Wow... I never expected to run into one of these types of discussions on MacRumors forums. And frankly, I skipped from page 1 to the last page because I just can't get through 15+ pages of discussion about it.

But as a self-described "tech/computer geek" who always found dating and relationships "difficult" and is too introverted to just go up to strangers and chat them up in bars or clubs? I can only chime in with a few random thoughts.

1. Attempts to date women 10 years+ younger than you have like a 90% chance of not ending well, at least when they're in their 20's or early 30's. It's a big ego boost knowing that someone younger and attractive like that is willing to go out with you. I get it. Been there, done that. But MOST of the time, the women interested in older guys have some issues. Possible they had some kind of sexual trauma in their life as a teen and never really resolved it in their minds completely? Others are just into manipulation and feel like older guys are more "pliable". (EG. They know they're more physically attractive than the guy can normally get for himself, so they try to get you to spend more money on them than someone else would, who really cared about you and the relationship.) If you're ok with such things being no more than casual hookups that you won't get your feelings all tangled up in, it's probably great. But I bet you're more like me .... I have a hard time not falling for those people as more than what was originally intended and then I have a mess to try to get back out of.

2. I don't know where you've been meeting the women you're trying to go on dates with? But if you're doing the online dating thing, you have to realize women on there have a "kid in a candy store" mentality about it. Those sites often cost guys money but women can use them unlimited for free. So there's an imbalance right off the bat. Even when the sites are free for everyone, women tend to get bombarded with 50 emails for every one you might receive back. It quickly goes to their head, and many of them will play games like accepting dates with you only to disappear as soon as a "more promising" guy starts talking with them. Some even just use the sites as a ticket for free meals and drinks whenever their own bank accounts run low. You can meet the "right one" with online dating. I firmly believe that. But you have to approach it knowing what you're getting into and assume NOTHING is serious until it just becomes obvious that it must be. It worked well for me, since again, I suck at going out in social settings and just meeting new people in person. But it took a LOT of hours of wasted time, rejections, and dates that were little more than excuses to get out of the house and eat a good meal.

Haha! Love it! I guess there is a good reason why people mostly only go for a coffee dates. And it has nothing to do with the love for coffee.
 
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Ok ... Well, you and I are probably a bit different then. I have a relatively small group of people I call friends, BUT I consider them to be real, true, serious friends. Most are people I've kept in touch with for 20 years or more. (I'm in my late 40's.)

I don't make new friends easily or often, but when it happens, it's because we really clicked for some reason and I feel like they're worth investing the effort in hanging onto them.

I will say that especially when I was younger, some of my dates were women who knew other friends of mine. That was always easier for me than trying to meet an absolute stranger. But I've also found the friends that enjoy "playing matchmaker" tended NOT to really find good matches for me, so much as trying to do other friends favors to keep them from being single. Those dates never really worked out as anything longer-term.

One thing I can say I've realized, now that I've gotten a bit past my 30's? You're absolutely right. A lot of women feel their biological clock ticking when they get to be 30-35 and feel a lot of pressure to find "Mr. Right" and settle down. If they had kids younger, they often got divorced and by 30-35, they feel that same pressure except the goal is finding a good father-figure / provider type of guy instead of one to start a family with. Problem is? By the time many of them get into their 40's, they realize they acted with their emotions more than with logic and a rational consideration of who they REALLY want to have as a life partner.

I don’t have any good friends like that who I’ve known for 20 years except ONE. Literally one guy.

it’d be nice to have close friends like you do.

but I’m proud of my Rolodex. I’ve done a good job I feel. Many Useful contacts to navigate this world in terms of getting what I want and need.

I try to take care of everybody.

I always try to do favors for them; that way they’ll pickup the phone when you call and are more likely to help you out later

I’m pretty good at meeting new people but only when they have insight into what I do. The best is when I meet someone who already has heard about me. That makes it the easiest

I almost WANT to find a girl around my age bc they are so much easier to deal with and I do want to settle down one day and because they try so hard,I feel like I wouldn’t have to Put much effort. And they look amazing. They really know how to dress nice and make themselves look super pretty.

I’ve literally had 30 year olds ask ME on dates and when I said I was busy they would ask what day and just keep trying.

heck of a lot easier than what I’m dealing with now...lol
 
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