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This forum is going crazy about the new MacBook Pro!

ducati1212 said:
Most of the posts I see in here are people complaining about them. I think day 1 people were going nuts just off the specs but now we have them and they are just kinda meh. With alder lake out now and much faster the noise will go down.
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Have you ever actually used Windows laptops? They could be 8x faster than an M1 Max and I still wouldn't buy them ever again.

Every single one of them:
  1. Generates enough thrust from the fans just idling to take off and hover about your room. Plus due to Intel and AMD utilizing a "race to sleep" style algorithm for boost, any minor task causes them to spike to maximum clock speed and generate a ton of heat, causing fans to pulse on/off, which is incredibly annoying.
  2. Runs hotter than the sun under any load, generating gale force winds.
  3. Has about a 5 hour or less battery life in practical use. They can promise all sorts of BS, but they never get anywhere near promised battery life.
In stark contrast, the M1 Macs:
  1. Never make sound. Even at full load my M1 Max is silent.
  2. Run cool. The palm rest of my 16 is often icy cold.
  3. Have insane battery life in actual use. I'm seeing 17 hours of use on my 16".

There's also the lovely facts they are very well built, retain value and have the best screens in the industry.
 
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lambertjohn said:
How so? Most every competitor out there has a model with an 11th gen i7, 16GB of Ram, 512GB HD and 1080p screen, for less than $1000. Some even less than $800. Lenovo. Dell. Acer. Yeah, they're Intel-based computers, and yeah, they run Windows, but seriously, what can the MBP do that a Windows-based laptop can't do? Look pretty? I'm just saying, the Mac is great but there are way cheaper alternatives out there. But before you bash me, I actually bought a new 14" MBP instead of one of those cheaper alternatives. Mostly because my whole ecosystem is Apple and I wanted to stick with that. But if it wasn't, I'd go with a Windows-based laptop in a heartbeat.
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My point was looking at not just a spec sheet but what the machine can actually do in terms of benchmarks and performance metrics, an alternative from Dell would not be half the price and able to match the overall performance and capability of these new MacBook Pros...
 
I use a MacBook Pro as my daily driver, so for me this MacBook Pro got my attention.

Next year desktop users will be hyped to see a new 27” imac to each there own.
 
Macbookprodude said:
Apple lied though.. I understand when Intel is used in Macs price is high, why is Apple charging so much now they make their own processors ? No reason at all it has to be that high.
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If what you need is a $400 Wintel laptop Apple is not for you.
 
Not surprised, people have been waiting for well over a year :D. May make sense now to bifurcate these forums and create sub-forum for Intel MBPs and for M1 MBPs.
 
pi=e=3 said:
Have you ever actually used Windows laptops? They could be 8x faster than an M1 Max and I still wouldn't buy them ever again.

Every single one of them:
  1. Generates enough thrust from the fans just idling to take off and hover about your room. Plus due to Intel and AMD utilizing a "race to sleep" style algorithm for boost, any minor task causes them to spike to maximum clock speed and generate a ton of heat, causing fans to pulse on/off, which is incredibly annoying.
  2. Runs hotter than the sun under any load, generating gale force winds.
  3. Has about a 5 hour or less battery life in practical use. They can promise all sorts of BS, but they never get anywhere near promised battery life.
In stark contrast, the M1 Macs:
  1. Never make sound. Even at full load my M1 Max is silent.
  2. Run cool. The palm rest of my 16 is often icy cold.
  3. Have insane battery life in actual use. I'm seeing 17 hours of use on my 16".

There's also the lovely facts they are very well built, retain value and have the best screens in the industry.
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I have some Windows laptops which are silent, cool and have good battery life. Plus, some of them are well built. So this is not applicable every time.

Plus, Windows has its own advantages as well. There are more options to choose from. You can find a laptop with a mechanical keyboard or an OLED screen. You can find a Windows laptop lighter than a MacBook Air or sporting a 17-inch screen or even larger. Microsoft Office for Windows runs circles around Microsoft Office for Mac, and this is a big deal because office applications are probably the most widely used in the world. Windows is a great platform for games, while Macs are not.

So, it depends on the point of view. Windows laptops serve me very well.
 
Dualie11 said:
If what you need is a $400 Wintel laptop Apple is not for you.
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There is a huge gap between a $400 laptop and a $1000 Mac. These days Apple could indeed make good laptops selling for less, but it chooses not to do so, alienating a large chunk of users worldwide.

Tim Cook's Apple is far more snobbish than Steve Jobs' Apple. Jobs made the iPad so it could appeal to a larger audience. Tim Cook is not interested in enlarging the audience, but in making increasingly exclusive products. Tim Cook uses adjectives such as "best" far more than Jobs ever did, and uses a lot less "different". More snobbish and yet not so much innovative.
 
skaertus said:
I am not sure about it. I have seen all kinds of posts. Lots of posts complaining about the notch, as if it were a big deal. But many were hysterical about the performance. Apple knew how to drive people insane this time.

Yes, the Alder Lake mobile will be out soon (I suppose it has not shipped yet), and it will be closer in performance to the M1 series. Apple has not upgraded the line this year, and single-core performance remains pretty much the same. While it was significantly faster than last year's Tiger Lake, the gap will be shorter this year.
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Notch is fine. People are complaining because of the loss of screen real estate and because not all Pros will need the camera in the notch, no matter how nice it is. The complaints are valid.

The performance of the new MacBook Pro is not the highlight. The highlight is the fact that this much performance can be packed into a machine like the 14" Pro, which is roughly just 3.5lbs, and the fan barely even turns on in real world use.

Alder Lake mobile will suck. Intel says a chip is 45W TDP but it's actually not. I had the Core i9 9880H MacBook Pro a short while ago. The chip drew a whopping 140W under max Turbo very briefly before dropping down to around 100W, then to 90W because the charger couldn't supply enough power. When the GPU was also drawing power, the CPU quickly dropped to just about 60W and it was just barely about stock clocks then. No Turbo. Needless to say, performance was abysmal.

So I know for a fact that Alder Lake mobile will suck unless Intel is doing something miraculous. But they are not. Pushing a chip to >100W trying to beat the performance of M1 Pro, which is barely 30-40W for just the CPU, is nothing to sing about. And even then, they don't beat the M1 Pro cleanly.
 
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arche3 said:
Be Becuz it be the biggest laptop news since eva!
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It is a great laptop for sure. But not so great laptop news. The original release of the MacBook Air was certainly more important. Or the release of the M1 chip last year. Or even the release of netbooks.

The MacBook Pro is a niche product which does not break new grounds except for performance. The fact that enthusiasts may be hysterical about its features do not make it great news for the rest of the world.
 
skaertus said:
The MacBook Pro is a niche product which does not break new grounds except for performance. The fact that enthusiasts may be hysterical about its features do not make it great news for the rest of the world.
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That's because you are only focusing on performance and ignoring the other aspects. Here's what's ground-breaking about this new MacBook Pro release:

1. Pro XDR Display with ProMotion in a laptop. These are also among the only laptops with 120Hz Mini LED displays in existence right now.

2. Both the 14" and 16" now have speakers that far outclass all other laptops both in performance and in loudness. The last 13" MacBook Pro did not get speakers this good. No other manufacturer is even getting close to the 14", let alone the 16".

3. Both the 14" and 16" now have headphone out port that pushes up to 3Vrms for high impedance headphones. No other laptop has this powerful a headphone output.

4. More ports. In case it's not obvious: we haven't had a MacBook with MagSafe, HDMI or SD card slot for... 6 years now. MagSafe is not even a thing with other laptops.

Sure, a computer needs to have specs, but beyond that, it's the other things that matter as well. Just because you aren't looking for those things doesn't mean there aren't people looking for them.
 
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Honestly not counting the Notch these are great laptops for professionals. If you do video work, time is money and these machines pay for themselves. If you not involved in video work then maybe a regular Air or the older M1 Pro might be a wiser choice.
 
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Macbookprodude said:
I will wait.. Here in Ukraine no one can afford this, maybe deputies.. but average Ukrainian can't. I only got 2015 MacBook Pro because it cheaper now.
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Which might be their last great freedom laptop that is fixable
you have a perfect laptop that can do anything!
 
Macbookprodude said:
Dude, I own 2012/2015 MacBook Pro, I just think Apple should charge less since they now their own chips make, compared with Intel.
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Maybe they do cost less to make, but they also likely result in greater value for the end user, and the higher price tag accurately reflects that.
 
A lot of people didn’t like the donglebooks. They just put up with them because they wanted to keep using macOS & how it connects well with other Apple devices. It was clear that once Apple came to their senses and redesigned them people would be all over these new machines.
 
ultrakyo said:
In theory yes they can sell cheaper if they can procure cheaper components. In reality, businesses sell products at what customers are willing to pay and how much customer value it. If you can produce a product with lower cost and high value at the same time then automatically you will have higher profit margin.

Make a low cost product which has no value added to customer then customer will not even take it even if it is free.
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Also there are R and D costs. A pill a Pharma company sells doesn't cost all that much to make, but the R and D going into it can cost millions and millions
 
Macbookprodude said:
Apple lied though.. I understand when Intel is used in Macs price is high, why is Apple charging so much now they make their own processors ? No reason at all it has to be that high.
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It literally contains a chip with the most amount of transistors ever shipped. Like, period at 57 billion (M1 Max). That doesn't come cheap.

I understand you've mentioned a few times in the thread about Ukraine. I'm sorry for the economic situation in your country but you have to understand Apple is an American company and they have a very strong economy, their products reflect that reality.
 
pi=e=3 said:
Have you ever actually used Windows laptops? They could be 8x faster than an M1 Max and I still wouldn't buy them ever again.

Every single one of them:
  1. Generates enough thrust from the fans just idling to take off and hover about your room. Plus due to Intel and AMD utilizing a "race to sleep" style algorithm for boost, any minor task causes them to spike to maximum clock speed and generate a ton of heat, causing fans to pulse on/off, which is incredibly annoying.
  2. Runs hotter than the sun under any load, generating gale force winds.
  3. Has about a 5 hour or less battery life in practical use. They can promise all sorts of BS, but they never get anywhere near promised battery life.
In stark contrast, the M1 Macs:
  1. Never make sound. Even at full load my M1 Max is silent.
  2. Run cool. The palm rest of my 16 is often icy cold.
  3. Have insane battery life in actual use. I'm seeing 17 hours of use on my 16".

There's also the lovely facts they are very well built, retain value and have the best screens in the industry.
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My "other" laptop, a Windows HP Omen gaming laptop, tricked out to quad Core i7, 64GB RAM 10TB SSD (2+8), 6GB video card with 300hz 1080p screen, does not do any those things. Only battery life suffers, due to all the add-ins.
 
slowloris615 said:
Also there are R and D costs. A pill a Pharma company sells doesn't cost all that much to make, but the R and D going into it can cost millions and millions
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Um, I wouldn't use Big Pharma as an example when talking about justifying prices.
 
0423MAC said:
A lot of people didn’t like the donglebooks. They just put up with them because they wanted to keep using macOS & how it connects well with other Apple devices. It was clear that once Apple came to their senses and redesigned them people would be all over these new machines.
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I think it is hard to imagine that the re-introduction of ports would cause much commotion.
 
EnderTW said:
It's all the have nots making up fake posts about how lame the new macbook pros are, trying to justify why they won't get one when it's just they cant afford it.
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Or the “you only need 16GB RAM” because they are too cheap to buy 32GB crowd! ?

Tim
 
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