I just meant there are other costs baked in aside from just how much it costs to make now, and those costs are recouped one way or another. Marketing also. The idea that we can just say "well it costs 50$ to make" isn't taking into account the other parts. I was using the Pharma biz as an example, in that making the actual medicine is cheap but the costs are baked in from other things that got the pill to market. That's all.
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I get that, but Big Phzrma is the poster boy for price gouging. Their prices go waaaay beyond "R&D recoup". On second thought, maybe that is a good example of Apple business practices.
Except Office requires a subscription service now which has ruined it. Additionally the Mac "Office" Suite is free, opens all MS Office files, and can even save them in MS formats for compatibility purposes. So $70/yr for Office...hard pass.
You’ve been here since 2009, have you missed everything since the 2015 MacBook was introduced? ?
Actually this time around, I think we are looking at Supply and Demand. PURELY
Not to mention chip shortages. I am just seriously talking about Supply and Demand.
Look at things like this:
2 years ago NOOO BODY wanted to buy a MacBook Pro, in a sense they weren't HOT
But then these things ARE SMOKIN' They have hype AND have proven the hype true.
They are HOT. So what Apple is supposed to what:
Sell a $2000 laptop for $1600?
Sell a $2500 laptop for $2000?
Sell a $3500 laptop for $2800?
Sell a $4500 laptop for $3600?
Hell NO, Hell NO, Hell NO, Hell NO!
Cause then (and don't forget you could add chip shortages)
they would sell out and the die hards wouldn't even be able
to get their hands on them.
PURELY, Supply and Demand, oh and then could you imaging a PS5 or Xbox scalping debacle, if they were even cheaper?
Dude hell no, Apple is right where they want to be! (massaging those release dates)
Laters...
Dude, I have a friend in Europe, who is on his 3rd PC (intel non-apple) in 2 years, starting 2 years ago. 3rd PC!! $600 $600 $600
I am just like you're so dumb dude, just get a Mac and keep it for 5 years ($2000) WTF
It's just the way some people are. There's nothing you can do or even need to worry about. Just let um get what they want trust me. They suffer and that's their life.
I mean I remember the BIGGEST thing that changed when Windows 10 came out and "proved the naysayers wrong." You know what happened?
For YEARS!!! The Windows way was (wait till the end), "What happened? It just died."
Response: "Just wipe it and re-install."
Response: "Yep that worked, it's fine.
Again?
Response: "Just wipe it again?"
Response: "Yeah I just wipe and reinstall every month or so, it's no big deal"
THEN oh ho
The XP SP3 took for ever to get installed, so this process got tedious.
But then Vista came out
They rejoiced!
But then Vista was HIDEOUS
But then Windows 7 came out
The Holy Grail (rejoice)
And this time they had Recovery Partitions!! Yeaaa!!
Right so when we have to wipe, we can just use the recovery partition instead of a CD!
REJOICE!!
What Happened?
Updates took 48 hours to install.
Here's the finale!
Windows 10 comes out. This is what they were so happy about.
"Windows isn't that bad anymore, they totally fixed the update process."
"Yeah, it's actually pretty sweet now."
"But the only problem is if there is update you have to let the update happen."
These guys have been lying to themselves for over 10 years!!!
Don't get me wrong 2005-2010 was pretty sweet for XP and XP_64
But here is the HUGE Kicker!!!!
NOW they are gonna LIE to themselves AGAIN!!! for 10 more years!!!
These guys can't get enough!!!
Just when Microsoft gets the OS somewhat usable guess what?
NOW, the CHIP is a DOG!
Will they see the light tho?
HELL NO HELL NO, just leave um be...
They are gonna say, Intel is better than M1 etc etc for 10 YEARS!!
It's gonna be a BLAST GUYS!!!
Trust me it's not worth wasting your time on...
There are a few parables you can learn about with these guys, but honestly?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Laters...
If you have good enough hardware, self buld systems, this will not happening. Since i have ssds (especially nvme ssds) nothing is slowing down or crashing. I think most people who are complaining about windows have no good hardware. Remember for the price of a mac you will get a far superior, much more advanced system. And its self upgradeable and repairable. When they use soldered only hardware for the next desktop mac, i will laugh when someone who is not needing exclusive Apple software is buying it. For a desktop, there is no reason like noise level or battery life. You can all adjust the features by yourself. Sadly you cant really build your own laptop.
I build so many systems and have seen things only once (windows vista in 2006 with single core AMD 64 cpu) regular mac os users are complaining about.
I build so many systems and have seen things only once (windows vista in 2006 with single core AMD 64 cpu) regular mac os users are complaining about.
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So you think they should sell the most powerful laptop in the world for $1250? With their current prices they are perfectly balanced, because basically you can’t find anything similar at any price point. In the keynote, I thought they were going to dramatically increase the price (like with the Mac Pro, but in this case it would make much more sense) because no competitor would be able to sell something similar, so I was very surprised when I saw $1999 for the base model. If you really need it, the price point, if it’s inside the acceptable order of magnitude, usually doesn’t matter. And if you’re thinking from Apple’s perspective (to maximise revenue), they’re selling the MacBook Air at that price point, which is not a professional laptop, but still gives the most value you can get for around $1000. The current Apple laptop line-up is the most “balanced” (or really unbalanced, because they are now way ahead from the competition in value for money) product category they’ve had in many years.
Of course, the MBP “can” do a lot more than those laptops. Because they can do the same, but they can’t do the same… as you can do the same with a 5 year old Mac Mini and a maxed out $18K Mac Pro, but in reality you can’t do the same. I could (not completely) more or less understand your point with the old MBP, which didn’t offer much more power for the increased price, but instead had “premium”, not proffesional, features.
To compete with those $1000 laptops they have the MacBook Air, which is way more silent, way more powerful and will last a lot more than similar priced competitors.
But does it cost apple less? There’s a reason some companies outsource things. It’s simply irrelevant to us as that is not how apple or most price things to us.
I see the air starting at 899. Mini at 599. These are hardly insane prices. Others have talked about performance, screens, temps, battery life etc. These are remarkable laptops. Stellar. Game changing even.
There’s only one problem. I can’t work with one. Windows only software and that is a dealbreaker for work. Perhaps this changes in future but it’s a big maybe and means macs are irrelevant for me for my job.
As a personal laptop I can make it work. But can’t say I’m thrilled with the lack of m1 native programs. It’s hugely dependent on rosetta which can go away a few years from now.
My 15 yr old wants a laptop. How about a m1 mba? She gets a frown on her face. It’s not windows? No sorry. Of course I see her wheels spinning. Might not run some games she plays. Plus she has to learn how it works. Contrary to popular belief in apple land many know windows and macOS is a foreign concept or not worth a learning curve. I convinced her to try it for a few weeks.
This is stuff that remains an issue though they’ve tried somewhat over the years.
I had made the same decision as your daughter. MacOs is only for very specific use cases. Nothing for normal consumers who have only one device. If you want use only office things, you could get a better cheaper laptop with ubuntu or windows.
Also Apple has no great quality. There are many defects concerning the keyboard (paint coming off (for such a high price, painted keyboard, like a 2012 30 Euro Microsoft Sidewinder keyboard
) and faulty keyboards (multi tabs)). This is nothing i would buy for regular use and if i wont pair the expensive repairs.
My mbp 2021 silver had burned in hand prints by using the macbook around 1 - 2 hours. And cleaning with a soft, wet cloth has also left permanent marks. Wtf?
I will watch my mbp 2021 space grey. If it will have the same. I used it only for around 20 minutes so far. Then it bores me and i switched back to my pc. The thing is, i will use the macbook only rarely, so i hope this cheap quality will not affecting me so bad like permanent users.
Also Apple has no great quality. There are many defects concerning the keyboard (paint coming off (for such a high price, painted keyboard, like a 2012 30 Euro Microsoft Sidewinder keyboard
) and faulty keyboards (multi tabs)). This is nothing i would buy for regular use and if i wont pair the expensive repairs.My mbp 2021 silver had burned in hand prints by using the macbook around 1 - 2 hours. And cleaning with a soft, wet cloth has also left permanent marks. Wtf?
I will watch my mbp 2021 space grey. If it will have the same. I used it only for around 20 minutes so far. Then it bores me and i switched back to my pc. The thing is, i will use the macbook only rarely, so i hope this cheap quality will not affecting me so bad like permanent users.
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He is absolutely right. It is not upgradeable, has a fast degeneration (especially for the aluminium and the keyboard, both looking ugly after short time, pretty poor for a premium brand) and is very expensive. In my opinion only a toy for the richer people or some business use cases. I wouldn't recommend this to common people who can't affort a total financial lost.
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I have never owned a MacBook primarily because I have never needed that kind of mobile computer. And I generally dislike the laptop configuration. But I have owned three Apple desktops, three iPhones, three iPads and two iPods.
None of them ever gave me a lick of trouble. And I never felt the OS ever hampered what I wanted or needed to do.
Meanwhile I look at Windows and most PC computers and they look like junk, and some of it expensive junk. Every form of Windows I’ve seen looks like a nightmare. Most every PC device I’ve seen looks cheap as hell.
I am probably closer to an average computer user. I know I’m not a power user. While I’m not a laptop fan, as I said above, I think the M1 MacBook Air is a killer device. If I went for a laptop the MBA would be it for me and my needs. As is the new iMac 24 will most likely be the successor to my current mid 2011 iMac which has been a reliable beast.
At first glance the new MacBook Pros look to be overpriced, but then you can see they’re not mass market devices. They are power use devices. In that context they make sense, and I presently don’t see anything on the PC side to seriously compete with them. It does lead me to speculate what Apple will do next year to upgrade/replace the current 13in. MacBook Pro, a device which currently serves most personal business needs.
One possibility is the new MacBook Air redesign is expanded to supplant the outgoing 13in. Pro. Or a new redesigned entry level Pro is introduced to slot in between the Air and the Pro 14.
What I’d like to see is a new 14in. Air starting at the same or close in price as the current model along with an upspec version supplanting the eventually outgoing 13. Pro.
None of them ever gave me a lick of trouble. And I never felt the OS ever hampered what I wanted or needed to do.
Meanwhile I look at Windows and most PC computers and they look like junk, and some of it expensive junk. Every form of Windows I’ve seen looks like a nightmare. Most every PC device I’ve seen looks cheap as hell.
I am probably closer to an average computer user. I know I’m not a power user. While I’m not a laptop fan, as I said above, I think the M1 MacBook Air is a killer device. If I went for a laptop the MBA would be it for me and my needs. As is the new iMac 24 will most likely be the successor to my current mid 2011 iMac which has been a reliable beast.
At first glance the new MacBook Pros look to be overpriced, but then you can see they’re not mass market devices. They are power use devices. In that context they make sense, and I presently don’t see anything on the PC side to seriously compete with them. It does lead me to speculate what Apple will do next year to upgrade/replace the current 13in. MacBook Pro, a device which currently serves most personal business needs.
One possibility is the new MacBook Air redesign is expanded to supplant the outgoing 13in. Pro. Or a new redesigned entry level Pro is introduced to slot in between the Air and the Pro 14.
What I’d like to see is a new 14in. Air starting at the same or close in price as the current model along with an upspec version supplanting the eventually outgoing 13. Pro.
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Hello ASX, looks like you are trying to poison another thread with your PC-Masterrace ramblings. Please go and play somewhere else. Perhaps a playpen!
@Warped9
Which kind of systems did you see? Budget class?
Apple lMacbook looking much more junk if the degeneration of aluminium and keyboard paint kicked in. If you use aluminium, use a durable coating not only a very thin anodization. For keyboard use laser etched keycaps, not this cheap painted crap.
Which kind of systems did you see? Budget class?
Apple lMacbook looking much more junk if the degeneration of aluminium and keyboard paint kicked in. If you use aluminium, use a durable coating not only a very thin anodization. For keyboard use laser etched keycaps, not this cheap painted crap.
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I have seen telegrams where professional trolls are being given instructions to go out and **** post about the MBP. I wonder who the client is.
It's perfectly fine if you don't cover it with Cheeto fingers.
If someone is criticising the mbp's he/she is of course a troll. We are not talking about budget (<800 Euro) laptops. This laptops are damn expensive. There is no room for cheap materials. I have seen a lot hardware, most strict Apple users who are brand defenders/loyalists haven't. Apple is earning a lot more, when cheaping out on materials. They have only 1 year warranty. Why should it be the case ?
?I have a Windows desktop for heavy lifting. And games. That is not changing.
But the reason why I'm so excited for this machine is that it can overpower Lightroom Classic's temper tantrums, and do that all in a battery-efficient way. There are PC laptops that can do the former, and there are laptops that can do the latter. There isn't a PC laptop that can do both *at the same time.* That's why this machine is impressive.
My ideal laptop form factor is something like the Surface Pro line but with the power of these new MBPs. I don't think Apple will ever make such a thing given how they are so insistent on keeping MBP and iPad pro separate, but the current Surface Pros aren't there power-wise (trust me, that's what I'm upgrading from). Maybe someday that device will exist and I'd switch back to Windows for portable use again, but for now I think one of these new machines and a portable Wacom tablet will work just fine for what I need.
But the reason why I'm so excited for this machine is that it can overpower Lightroom Classic's temper tantrums, and do that all in a battery-efficient way. There are PC laptops that can do the former, and there are laptops that can do the latter. There isn't a PC laptop that can do both *at the same time.* That's why this machine is impressive.
My ideal laptop form factor is something like the Surface Pro line but with the power of these new MBPs. I don't think Apple will ever make such a thing given how they are so insistent on keeping MBP and iPad pro separate, but the current Surface Pros aren't there power-wise (trust me, that's what I'm upgrading from). Maybe someday that device will exist and I'd switch back to Windows for portable use again, but for now I think one of these new machines and a portable Wacom tablet will work just fine for what I need.
Nah, once you try it, you'll adopt it like its your own child. How much are you willing to pay for a new MacBook? I plan on flying to Ukraine and can grab one with me to help finance my trip. What's the import tax over there?