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This is why the iPhone 5 is being delayed, and why Apple wants to stop Samsung...
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The Galaxy S2 looks great except it runs Touchwiz and Samsung is notoriously slow in pushing out updates. I have a Fascinate and Samsung just pushed out Android 2.2 last week, when 2.3 has been out for awhile already. That is ridiculous. Factor in that Samsung's new phones (starting with the Droid Charge) are rumored to have a locked down bootloader and the S2 doesn't look so great anymore.
Bashing or not, the OP has a point.
I love my iPhone (and all my previous ones - original, 3G, and 3GS) as much as the next guy but it's been 4 years now with no major/fundamental update. Yes, the iPhones have gotten faster and have had better specs and whatnot but it's essentially the same phone now going on 4 years now. I realize there will be no drastic changes in iOS for brand imaging sake, but still. Yes, iOS "works" but 4 years now with essentially the same thing is getting somewhat dull for lack of a better word.
Regardless of whether or not the overall phone size itself grows, the iPhone 5 desperately needs a bigger screen and IMO a new "look" to iOS. At least change the lock screen or spruce the "look" up some. The universal home button and function of iOS can (and should) stay the same, but it definitely needs more flash factor IMO.
I fully expect the iPhone 5 to simply be an iPhone 4 "s" or some such, and so basically we'll be going on 5 years of essentially the same thing. I can't say that's not going to give me wandering eyes..
*edit* And this is all just my opinion. Again, I love Apple and the iPhone 4 so I don't want to hear insults or jabs. I'm just wishing and hoping Apple blows us all away again with the iPhone 5 even though I know they won't.
I love my iPhone (and all my previous ones - original, 3G, and 3GS) as much as the next guy but it's been 4 years now with no major/fundamental update. Yes, the iPhones have gotten faster and have had better specs and whatnot but it's essentially the same phone now going on 4 years now. I realize there will be no drastic changes in iOS for brand imaging sake, but still. Yes, iOS "works" but 4 years now with essentially the same thing is getting somewhat dull for lack of a better word.
Regardless of whether or not the overall phone size itself grows, the iPhone 5 desperately needs a bigger screen and IMO a new "look" to iOS. At least change the lock screen or spruce the "look" up some. The universal home button and function of iOS can (and should) stay the same, but it definitely needs more flash factor IMO.
I fully expect the iPhone 5 to simply be an iPhone 4 "s" or some such, and so basically we'll be going on 5 years of essentially the same thing. I can't say that's not going to give me wandering eyes..
*edit* And this is all just my opinion. Again, I love Apple and the iPhone 4 so I don't want to hear insults or jabs. I'm just wishing and hoping Apple blows us all away again with the iPhone 5 even though I know they won't.
Immediate thoughts after watching the video:
1) scrolling still lagged. I also watched some of his other videos, particularly the multi-touch test, and it was clearly lagging. When you use one of these Android devices you can feel the lag; coming from iOS it is a very frustrating experience.
2) Flash performance looked fine, but the Flash Player UI is too small to manipulate. I'd much rather Apple's HTTP streaming method with a proper UI. I also suspect that Flash video playback would eat up battery life, given that it's running Flash on top of the browser.
As an aside: I didn't realize that Newgrounds still existed. Point being, no one plays Flash-based games. And why should you? There are far better native games available, even for Android.
I don't really have a problem with Samsung, though Touchwiz is a poor man's rip of iOS and everyone knows it. But in general Samsung products always strike me as cheap. The build quality looks poor, the materials are always second-rate (plastic), and more often than not it looks a lot like the last generation version of an Apple or an HTC product.
While I agree that these newest Android smartphones have raised the bar to some degree in terms of OS capabilities, I am confident that Apple will be able to match or exceed expectations, not because I'm in love with Apple products, but because from a practical standpoint these Android smartphones aren't really that far ahead of the iPhone to begin with.
1) scrolling still lagged. I also watched some of his other videos, particularly the multi-touch test, and it was clearly lagging. When you use one of these Android devices you can feel the lag; coming from iOS it is a very frustrating experience.
2) Flash performance looked fine, but the Flash Player UI is too small to manipulate. I'd much rather Apple's HTTP streaming method with a proper UI. I also suspect that Flash video playback would eat up battery life, given that it's running Flash on top of the browser.
As an aside: I didn't realize that Newgrounds still existed. Point being, no one plays Flash-based games. And why should you? There are far better native games available, even for Android.
I don't really have a problem with Samsung, though Touchwiz is a poor man's rip of iOS and everyone knows it. But in general Samsung products always strike me as cheap. The build quality looks poor, the materials are always second-rate (plastic), and more often than not it looks a lot like the last generation version of an Apple or an HTC product.
While I agree that these newest Android smartphones have raised the bar to some degree in terms of OS capabilities, I am confident that Apple will be able to match or exceed expectations, not because I'm in love with Apple products, but because from a practical standpoint these Android smartphones aren't really that far ahead of the iPhone to begin with.
See, and this is exactly the reason NOT to change something. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" is a pretty powerful and truthful saying.
Sure, you can change the way iOS looks and operates just because some people are bored with it, but that only satisfies the people who have ADHD, and get bored with their phone after a couple months of using it. Those are the people who aren't gonna stick around anyway.
On the other hand, people who actually use their phones for real things tend to appreciate the fact that it "works" and keeps on "working."
I bet the app developers appreciate that, too. If Apple decided to change major parts of how the OS worked every six months or so, then app store developers would have to rework their apps pretty often. Some might even give up on it, and then apps would start to break, and users of those apps would get frustrated.
Apple's been making slow, gradual, evolutionary changes to the OS. If you managed to get your hands on an original iPhone running version 1.0 of the OS, you'd DEFINITELY see the difference. But those changes only come when Apple knows that the changes are going to work well. It's never going to be anything radical, because a lot of time has been spent on making sure the changes are smooth and workable... not drastic and causing problems for users and app developers.
If "flash factor" is what you're looking for, you can always jailbreak your iPhone and theme it.
So you don't want jabs, but you're jabbing.
You hope Apple "blows us away," but you know they won't.
Sounds a lot like you really don't know what you want, there.
I see what you're saying, but we're not talking about 6 months here. We're talking about what will likely be 5 years assuming the next iPhone will just be an iPhone 4 "s".
So every 4 years is too frequent?
This is silly. I shouldn't have to jailbreak my phone and theme it to make it as desirable and "current" aesthetically as other phones on the market. But nonetheless my phone is jailbroken.
Um, I just re-read my original post and don't see any jabs in it. If you took anything in my post as a jab at at Apple you are about as hyper-sensitive fanboy as they come.
Lol. My thoughts exactly. I keep getting told I hate Apple and I am bashing Apple. But I fail to see where I am doing this. Honestly, most people that don't use Apple don't hate Apple. I think it's more that they hate the stereotype of the Apple Fanboy. You say anything that remotely goes against the Apple grain and they attack. They defend the brand like they are defending family. Truth of the matter is Apple or any Manufacturer couldn't care less if you or someone in your family is suffering or dying from illness. They hold no loyalties to you, so why act like you owe them your blind following? Why is there this need to get so angry because someone feels they want to buy something else instead of another Apple product. There is no need to get so offended when someone shares their opinion about moving to another product after using an Apple one.
The issue I take with statements like these is that you're making the broadly based assumption that any defence of Apple is done so out of blind loyalty. Hint: Apple might actually make products that warrant defence, not out of some irrational loyalty to the brand but because those products are worth defending for their merits.
You're basing all this hate on a DLP TV? From how many years back? HAHAAAAA. Riiiiight. You really should stop trying to make up stories just to fit your hate.
You won't ever find any Home Theater buff calling Samsung TVs cheap looking or having poor performance. They are some of the most stylish and best performing TVs on the market right now.
Care to read
http://www.whathifi.com/review/samsung-ue46d7000
Or maybe you wanna tell these people how cheap Samsung TVs are:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1324116
Sorry buddy, but Samsung are not looked at as cheap stuff in the Home Theater Market. So where would one go to pick up a DLP TV these days. Haahaa. Thanks for the chuckle.
That's the point. No one in this thread has said Apple makes a bad product. But the anger is still there. And again, just because someone makes a good product, doesn't mean they are the best product out there. You buy what suits you. And then share the reason why you chose it instead of continuing to buy another Apple product. It's a forum, so share your opinion. Be happy we all have a choice and respect that. No needs to get so angry because someone in their own opinion decides to move to a different brand because they feel it is a superior product. Really now. I bought my 3GS because I felt it was superior to the competition, but as I said, that's no longer the case. Again, in my opinion.
Now I am convinced that I cannot take the OP seriously. *proceeds to close window*
You're basing all this hate on a DLP TV? From how many years back? HAHAAAAA. Riiiiight. You really should stop trying to make up stories just to fit your hate.
You won't ever find any Home Theater buff calling Samsung TVs cheap looking or having poor performance. They are some of the most stylish and best performing TVs on the market right now.
Care to read
http://www.whathifi.com/review/samsung-ue46d7000
Or maybe you wanna tell these people how cheap Samsung TVs are:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1324116
Perhaps you should actually read avsforum which I have been a member over 10 years, and am also one who calibrates tvs. Samsung is not a benchmark for HDTV. Far from it. The benchmark for true HDTV is the pioneer elite plasma televisions. Pioneer has not been producing televisions for over 2 years, but to this day no one matches the Elites when it comes black levels, no one matches their ability to calibrate to industry standards, no one matches their color accuracy and so on. This is not me saying so, but the experts not only on that forum but elsewhere. Samsung is and never has been an industry leader. Was Samsung a leader in laptop adavancement? No. Was samsung the leader in revolutionizing in portable music and the way the music industry changed? No. Was samsung the leader smartphones? No. Was samsung a leader in the tablet industry? No. When you ask any person on the street what good products samsung makes and you might hear, microwaves, or stuff like that. When you ask the public the same question about Apple, and everyone knows exactly what they make. iPods, iPads, iPhones and Mac computers. Most people have nothing good to say about samsung. In fact for a long time, samsung was known for cheap tvs and cheap stereo equipment.
You'd have to be completely ignorant to not realize apple's heavily crafted ecosystem is the driving reason why people buy their products. All specs aside, because as long as its "Fast" consumers just don't give a damn, its the ease of use, name recognition, and completely seamless experience that keeps bringing people to Apple.
No one else has even come close to the ease of use of Apple's tightly integrated ecosystem. Until they do, or just flood the market with good products for way cheaper, Apple will remain on top.
Samsung not industry leaders? WOW! That would be the same as saying the iPhone is not an Apple product. It is seriously that ignorant. You just exposed yourself as the Samsung hating, blind Apple fanboy I knew you were.
So you're really a member at AVS? What username do you go by? If you have nothing to hide then you should have no problem giving your username. I'm betting you're not what you say you are. Just more hate. Anyone who calibrates TVs would not make such comments about current Samsung TVs. Now if you are a calibrator, you just lost all your credibility. Your hatred for Samsung is clear in your statements. But give me your username, and let's take a look at your expert opinion over the years on the AVS forum. I call BS without doubt. What a joke.
BTW, since you hold black levels in such high regard, please tell me what you think of the black levels of the incredible SuperAmoled Plus Screens..........Exactly, just what I thought You'd say.
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When will people ever learn? IT'S NOT ABOUT THE FRIGGIN' SPECS.
Any one company might be able to best Apple's specs for one specific aspect of a phone. When one company can crush ALL of Apple's specs, from hardware, to brick and mortar tech support, to app store variety, to cloud services, THEN they may have a chance at making Apple nervous. Until then, all these plastic toys running me-too operating systems are a complete joke to Apple.
OP, you're about the 100th person in the past 4 years to claim there's an iPhone killer coming, with each person before you citing a different model from whatever company. Not a single one of those claims has come true. Sorry.
Any one company might be able to best Apple's specs for one specific aspect of a phone. When one company can crush ALL of Apple's specs, from hardware, to brick and mortar tech support, to app store variety, to cloud services, THEN they may have a chance at making Apple nervous. Until then, all these plastic toys running me-too operating systems are a complete joke to Apple.
OP, you're about the 100th person in the past 4 years to claim there's an iPhone killer coming, with each person before you citing a different model from whatever company. Not a single one of those claims has come true. Sorry.
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You're basing all this hate on a DLP TV? From how many years back? HAHAAAAA. Riiiiight. You really should stop trying to make up stories just to fit your hate.
You won't ever find any Home Theater buff calling Samsung TVs cheap looking or having poor performance. They are some of the most stylish and best performing TVs on the market right now.
Care to read
http://www.whathifi.com/review/samsung-ue46d7000
Or maybe you wanna tell these people how cheap Samsung TVs are:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1324116
Sorry buddy, but Samsung are not looked at as cheap stuff in the Home Theater Market. So where would one go to pick up a DLP TV these days. Haahaa. Thanks for the chuckle.
Dude, seriously, what's your agenda? To try to rile up a room full of Apple fans? Do you not have any friends? A hobby? A girl? A dog? A nudie magazine and a door with a lock? ANYTHING you can come up with is a better way to spend your time that what you're doing now.
FYI, Samsung makes decent TVs. Just like Toyota makes decent cars. But any videophile will tell you a Pioneer or Panasonic plasma is the way to go if you're serious about TVs. In fact, pretty much nothing Samsung makes is best-in-show.
The fact is, an iPhone is closer to a Mercedes than a Samsung phone. Who friggin cares???? Just accept it. Do you go to BMW forums and tell everyone there how much better a Toyota is, or rant like a crazt person about how BMW is worried about the next Honda model? I highly doubt it. So stop wasting your time here and go get that magazine.
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Actually, every company is concerned about the competition. Even Apple. That's why Apple takes every opportunity to bash them, for example the recent iPad 2 announcement said "2011: Year of the copycats?" and poked fun at all the recent tablet makers.
Apple has just fooled people who think like you, to thinking that they don't care about the competition. Of course they do, but their way of dealing with the competition is different, they show something which is unique to Apple. They not only sell products, but they sell a lifestyle. It's all marketing.
Regarding the OP. No, that's not the reason why the iPhone 5 is 'delayed' as you say. I'm sure a lot of people will look into Android phones like S2, but i think Apple has already made itself well known in the marketplace for people to just buy the new iPhone.
Who/What is Samsung?
Nothing important, just the company which develops the CPUs that allows the iPhone to actually function.
Android user is amazed at iPhone 4 class browser performance out of his phone. Was this the point of this thread?
I'm sure Samsung has figured out how to throw over-spec'd hardware at the lag-problem that is Android. We have been seeing the same behavior on Windows for years.
No, the addition of Flash likely does not excite a lot of people here. It's been a while since the ego-spat and flash is around less and less on the web.
Samsung only sold around 20 million android-based phones in 2010.
RIM sold about 40+ million phones in 2010.
Apple sold about 50 million.
Apple might have to worry about Android as a whole (including all 100+ Android-based phones), but when it comes to a single company, like Samsung, they're completely fine. Your theory is lame.
RIM sold about 40+ million phones in 2010.
Apple sold about 50 million.
Apple might have to worry about Android as a whole (including all 100+ Android-based phones), but when it comes to a single company, like Samsung, they're completely fine. Your theory is lame.
Samsung makes alot of the internals on the att iphone 4, especially the NAND chips, so what is crappy again?
do you realize what a dive apple's market share would take if they just stopped developing a new phone because "if it ain't broke, don't fix it?". that's not how things work in the real world. every manufacturer from toasters to airplanes build in obsolescence so you'll want to go out and buy next year's model. Same with cell phones.
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