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Sorry, as I said... arguing the electoral college is one thing, giving every state the same number of electoral votes regardless of population is a piss-poor, dumb idea. Florida goes red and Vermont goes blue, they each get the same say? Yeah, I'm sure you'd be ok with that should it come down to one state being contested and them voting against your candidate despite having a population less than a single county in your state.
Really, I get why conservatives are so pro-electoral college, its the only reason they manage to get a republican into the White House anymore.
You are not being very civil. This isn't your den. Don't be abusive.
It would serve you well to spend your time trying to understand the rational of others and not criticizing them. The only mind you can change is your own - but there won't be any change until you accept that you might be wrong.
Good luck!
I will ruminate greatly over why it would make perfect sense for a barren state to have their vote counted the same as a densely-populated one. After all, why shouldn't someone living alone on a vast piece of land the size of a small town have the same say as 100,000 people in a densely-populated neighborhood elsewhere?
It's becoming clear now.
I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but there's not a lot of deep-thinking to be had with every state having the same electoral vote.
So how many electorates should each state get - and what would you do in case of a tie? Rock paper scissors with a single federal-vote cast for the winner of the game?
The President is also commander in chief, which is a body of serving men and women and their vote would essentially be neutered (as would practically everyone's) in the name of making sure that instead of every vote counts, a few sort of count.. in a way...
Let me make this clear, I am not implying anything, you are making implications based on your possibly myopic worldview, I would suggest broaden it a little.
I don't know which part of my comment were you responding to, one comment I replied to was objectifying a woman, which is what religious minded people do, I know, that's broad brush, I intended it.
If I have to engage with what you said, the produce of wealthy individuals have a way of finding a way to be in educational institutions which bypasses merit prerequisites. So the degree might carry a weight, as much weight as the paper that it was printed on, especially in situations pertaining to wealth affiliation. Same thing applies to her husband's degrees as well.
And business degree background is not known for creativity, it is known for from one perspective, renting money, shuffle it around and skim it, and of course, there are exceptions.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and coupled with, beauty is a freak of nature, nothing she had to do anything with. Show me markers of her character and then I will engage with enthusiasm.
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Great. Now, the house of reps is not without fault - but for the most part spread to represent the population fairly equally, and each state gets equal representation in the senate. So why not just let them vote for whoever they want and leave the population out of the presidential vote altogether, as your idea essentially neuters any real waste of time, effort or money for a nationwide presidential vote anyways.
I don’t mind harsh, just no need to be insulting. We all have opinions we are voicing, and that’s all they are. None of us are curing cancer with these discussions or launching rockets....just expressing our views.. I appreciate this so much more than “Donald Trump is stupid and that’s why he’s a bad president.” Or the disgusting comment earlier that he drinks his daughters bathwater.
Can we agree that every state and every region has there own issues and challenges compared to other states and regions? If California, Texas, NY, and Florida were the 4 states that decided the outcome of every presidential election, what would be the point of a candidate campaigning in Arizona, Michigan, Wyoming, or Illinois for a vote? And if candidates are not even bothering to visit these states, wouldn’t that President tend to cater to the needs of those 4 states more then every other for a lay down re-election? Issues that affect New York are not going to represent the farming issues in Nebraska, or the immigration issues south of the border in Arizona.
What other system would balance the interests of high population and low population states?
I don't think it's fair to think that most people vote down the party. Many people want the branches to be represented by opposing parties. Some people vote based on who can do the job. The biggest reason however is that we don't have strict term and income limits on the House or Senate.
I don't think there is a need to "balance the interest" of states when it comes to a Presidential race. You are free to move wherever you want to in this country, if you choose to live in Montana that has fewer electoral votes then that is your choice. A popular vote would break down these barriers. The only logical reason I can deduce for people not wanting a nationwide popular vote is because their candidate would lose. A president isn't meant to be a governor of governors, his job is to be elected by the people (sort of) and to preside over the legislative body and armed forces. The state's have representation in the house and senate.
Saying Tim Cook is going with the equivalent of a blowup doll is a shallow statement. Comparing a woman that helped run her fathers business along with starting a few successful businesses of her own to applying lipstick and picking colors minimizes a woman’s accomplishment. In your myopic worldview, I guess all rich people’s children don’t have brains of their own? I suggest you broaden it a little.
Many businesses start and fail, there is no such thing as willing it to work. I can come up with a million dollar idea for a product, if I don’t market it, put it on the right shelves, or develop the right website, people aren’t going to buy it. If my father was a good mechanic, and I watch what he’s doing, ask the questions my whole life, I might become a good mechanic too. Put me in school to work on cars, and I’ll be an even better mechanic, no?
I call out racism where it exists. While conservatives love to bash identity politics oftentimes using the term interchangeably with liberalism and progressivism, the reality is that Trump’s GOP is all about identity politics. White identity politics.
Why do rural voters like a NY multi-millionaire/billionaire with private Boeing 757s and gold plated everything so much? Because he looks like them, talks like them and is unsophisticated like them. He also hates the others. The brown immigrants both legal and illegal.
As for Trump getting re-elected, there is no chance of that happening. He has already obstructed justice several times and now we find out that he interferes with Manafort’s plea deal using Manafort as a double agent. This will not end well for all involved. I wouldn’t be surprised if Giuliani ends up disbarred as result of his involvement.
You kind of sidestepped all of my reasons for interest of the states. Your solution is if I want my vote to count, move to a state where it will count? I’m not saying my argument for electoral college fear of my candidate losing. The candidates would campaign in 4 states, work it differently, and those 4 states would decide the elections based on the fact that they are more densely populated and have large cities.
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Painting broad strokes saying everyone is racist without any examples to point out is not calling it out, it’s following the sheep. You do realize many of these white, rural, unsophisticated people voted Obama in twice right? And pointing out entire sectors of people based on their color and location as unsophisticated is racism....just thought I would point that out too.
So as you believe there is no chance of him getting re-elected the same way people and polls pointed out he wouldn’t get elected the first time.....enjoy the next 6 years. We still have yet to hear or see the evidence after an almost 2 year investigation. Good luck with that.
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This is exactly why the popular vote is irrelevant. He is elected in the context of the states, not as a voice of the people.
No, I wasn't agreeing with you. I disagree that he's to be elected "in the context of the states".
Personally, I feel the electoral college and our system of checks and balances was meant to prevent a guy like Trump from getting into office, but it seems to have had the opposite effect.
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No, I'm saying the popular vote eradicates your issue of where to live because your vote will be counted regardless. With the electoral college, people are ultimately disenfranchised no matter what; urban dwellers will feel punished that their vote only "sort of" counted, and those in rural areas will feel overwhelmed if the candidate is elected by urban dwellers.
Why do they restrict these threads but allow them to be filled with comments like this? What's the point?
The system worked as designed. If it was just popular vote, we'd have just NY and CA vote. No need for anybody else.
That’s bold, you think it was to keep a guy like Trump from entering the office? I don’t think I understand? Electoral College was so all states are represented, not just the most densely populated. It’s the spirit of the “we the people”.
Checks and balances was made more for administrations like the last one which wrote more executive orders than any other president in history. Rather than reach across the aisle and negotiate, he rammed his agenda down our throat leaving it vulnerable for the next administration to remove those executive orders with a signature. Guys like Trump were what the founding fathers had in mind for Executive. Non career politicians. You might not like the guys personality, you might not like the way he works, but you have to respect that he gets results, and he goes through it the right way.
I don't have to respect Trump, nor do I agree he gets results. Quite the opposite in a lot of cases if you look at how many rulings have been made against him, and how many times congress quietly disregards his words and passes certain things contrary to what he says/tweets. So yes, the checks and balances are there, much to Trump's dismay.
All states are represented in a popular vote, they're sort of all represented in an electoral college vote. In all honesty, the electoral college is sort of a multi-purpose tool and lots of people have their interpretations of its effectiveness, true purpose or most important purpose, etc. We will have to agree to disagree... In the modern age, I think its outdated and adversely affecting the political landscape.
I’m good with that, the healthiest way to end a debate. I enjoyed the discussion. So did you get the new iPad Pro?
I did and returned it... great device but hampered by iOS. They need a pro version of iOS.