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You are right. There aren't many ways to design a touch screen.

Not just limited to Samsung, but you see it all over the place.

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Saw this on Top Gear during the last episode, I'm sure there are far more examples, but lack of time at work!
 
Some critics of Apple talk about how they wish the company would just "compete instead of sue" and that Android's resemblance (especially Samsung's TouchWiz skin) is caused by "only so many ways a cellphone can be done." How does copying propel innovation?

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As much as I tend to loathe Microsoft, at least they are trying to be original.

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You are right. There aren't many ways to design a touch screen.


or an icon

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or a tablet case

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WHY IS THIS POSTED IN EVERY THREAD!? An icon looking almost exactly like that phone icon was used by Skype years before Apple, and that case isn't even made by Samsung! it's made by a third party manufacturer. And the only thing similar with the mini PC to the Mac Mini is that it is colored silver on the sides, is the color silver patented by Apple or what?
 
Some critics of Apple talk about how they wish the company would just "compete instead of sue" and that Android's resemblance (especially Samsung's TouchWiz skin) is caused by "only so many ways a cellphone can be done." How does copying propel innovation?

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As much as I tend to loathe Microsoft, at least they are trying to be original.

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Your picture only shows two phones with their default homescreen. Turn a S2 on out of the box and you would in no way confuse it for iOS.

Oh and before anyone asks, I use a iPhone and posted this message from a retina iPad.
 
But Samsung aren't 'f@#ked'. From the evidence I've seen so far I'd say it was Apple who are.

I'd like to think they're going to solve their disputes like sensible men should do instead of a shouting competition over who is gonna 'f@#k' who harder. I hope they come to an arrangement both parties are happy with.

Probably both are scared to lose...
 
So what you're saying is that if you spent many years and a fortune creating a painting, and you had it copyrighted, and someone came along and ran off millions of copies of it and made a fortune off of it, you wouldn't mind? You would "step up your game' and create more paintings for them to make a fortune on? Sorry, but I'm not that altruistic.

That's nothing like what my quote communicates.

Imagine a Venn diagram with Apple A, Samsung S, and me M.
Apple and Samsung have overlap through Samsung imitating Apple.
Samsung's own independent part is very weak.
Some others mention it would be better competition if Samsung innovated on its own uniquely. All that statement does is simply state the definition of competition. That's obvious of course, but I don't think any of us should assume Samsung would be great competition for Apple if it competed on its own. It needs to copy.

And while you are being very loyal to Apple, while I enjoy Apple, it might benefit your self interest to reap the rewards of Apple pushing harder to outdo competitors than if it were to win these suits and competition reduced.

Your painting metaphor puts me in the shoes of Apple, in which position I would of course empathize and take the same action.
But I am not the painter, I am the public benefiting from those positive externalities of paintings flourishing.
 
I think comparing apple's squabbling over patents to car manufacturers patenting the wheel might be stretching it but...
I wonder which car company was the first to introduce the hid "eyebrows" for drl's? It seems like everyone has it now. Or who was the 1st to use the door handles that you pull out instead of up? Most cars have that now as well.
 
Wish we could watch the meeting.

Samsung: Seems you were right all along, Mr Cook.

Apple: Ha. Didn't I tell y'all that the free publicity would be priceless?

Samsung: It's amazing! Both our smartphone sales have gone out of sight!

Apple: Here's a check for the two billion dollars, btw. Give it back when you lose.

Samsung: Thanks, buddy! So what's next on our agenda?

Apple: I think we're going to add Wacom pen support to the iPad. This time you complain, and we'll play innocent.

Samsung: Brilliant!

Apple: Hey, that's why I'm CEO!
 
Your painting metaphor puts me in the shoes of Apple, in which position I would of course empathize and take the same action.
But I am not the painter, I am the public benefiting from those positive externalities of paintings flourishing.

A better example would be to say that Apple painted a portrait of a horse. It was incredibly popular, and sold millions. Apple then applies for the patent on "picture of horse using oil based color paints applied to a canvas medium".

Of course, since Apple's original painting was so popular, someone else takes Apple's idea of horse paintings and goes out to create their own. Ride the hype, as it were, and add their own flourishes.

...and, of course, they all end up in court, where they have to make lame arguments such as "Apple's horse is from a front on perspective, and the frame is oriented as a portrait. My client's horse painting is at a steeper angle, and uses a wider landscape frame. The fact that both horses are brown is completely beside the point. Apple does not own exclusive rights to brown horses. Now, what I want to draw your attention to next is the second in the Portrait of a Brown Horse series. Notice the barn in the background on my client's Landscape Painting of a Brown Horse. That's their innovation, and they have a patent for it. Now notice the background in Portrait 2. That's right. It's a barn. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case".

The end result of this case is likely to be that the lawyers make millions, the patents are invalidated across the board, the jury loses precious time out of their lives listening to this BS, and no one comes out happy.

Well, except for the lawyers, and the public, who now have tons of pretty horse pictures to choose from.
 
Some critics of Apple talk about how they wish the company would just "compete instead of sue" and that Android's resemblance (especially Samsung's TouchWiz skin) is caused by "only so many ways a cellphone can be done." How does copying propel innovation?

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As much as I tend to loathe Microsoft, at least they are trying to be original.

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For the last ****ing time

When you post a comparison shot showing the iPhone HomeScreen and the Android AppDrawer you just make yourself look dumb.

That's why we so called Fandroids (I refer to myself as Android user but you will call me Fandroid nevertheless) are just ridiculing you Apple sheeps. I have a HomeScreen full with many widgets. The most used propmotion shot for every Android features a Clock&Weather widget on the homescreen.

Same applies to every promo mobile handset. So if you want to be taken serious in these discussions - for the love of god - educate yourself and stop posting this stupid AppDrawer shot over and over again.:mad:
 
Some critics of Apple talk about how they wish the company would just "compete instead of sue" and that Android's resemblance (especially Samsung's TouchWiz skin) is caused by "only so many ways a cellphone can be done." How does copying propel innovation?

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As much as I tend to loathe Microsoft, at least they are trying to be original.

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now go look at the old Pocket PC, blackberries, palms and other mobile devices. grid of icons. apple wasn't the first to do it.
 
I've been following this quite intently [...] Samsung[...] seem to have a knack of copyright infringement in one way or another.

So what you're saying is that if you spent many years and a fortune creating a painting, and you had it copyrighted

When did copyrights enter this case ? Both of you need to read up and understand what's at issue here, because copyrights aren't it at all.

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now go look at the old Pocket PC, blackberries, palms and other mobile devices. grid of icons. apple wasn't the first to do it.

The funny thing is the Galaxy S i9000 doesn't have a grid of icons as its homescreen at all. That's just the App Drawer, and it doesn't work like Apple's homescreens, you can scroll it from top to bottom, it is not fixed a X icons per page like Apple's design.

It's so easy to prove anything with a single out of context picture.
 
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:D I kid, I kid.
 
apple needs to be more realistic here - they were asking for $35 per samsung phone for the bounce back feature.

how do u even put a $ sign on that and wtf that's rediculous amount per phone.

stop being evil apple.

It's very simple. Apple has invented some nice stuff that makes iPhones (and iPads, and Macs) work better than other devices that don't copy Apple's invention. And customers love it. Which is why Samsung is copying it. Samsung has no right to make copies. Apple, on the other hand, is forced to put a dollar amount on it. So they say "for $35 per Samsung phone that copies our stuff we will stop complaining".

Let's say you bought a nice home, and then you get neighbors moving in who play very loud music all night. And a judge tells them that they should pay you damages. How would the judge fix the damages? One way would be to ask you: For how many dollars would you stop complaining about the noise?
 
Funny, MS and Apple both manufacture phones and seem to be getting along, not copying each other for the most part and coming to agreements about the rest.

I thought that was covered under Apple's and Microsofts cross licensing agreement?
 
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