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Tim Cook: iPhone X is a 'Super Bowl Winner' Even if You Wanted It to Win 'By a Few More Points'
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Reading too much indeed! The only reason someone would be looking at this would be to find anything that is "going down" - searching for a morsel of negativity on the stock.
It does not take calculus or an economics degree to analyze Apple stock. It can be done using very simple methods such as comparison of fundamentals, and even by simply visiting a local "Apple Store" if there is one in your town and observing whether or not the place is full of people.
I have been trying to decode Apple haters for years and years. It's just a certain personality who feels something in their hearts when they say "I would never own an Apple Product, and I am Proud of it" - I have a cousin who tells me this. There are just some people who will swear off Apple products like WWII veteran would never drive a Japanese car. It's like that kind of thing. I find it strange, but the hate exists, and there are those fans who will try to perpetuate any negative thing they hear. Not based on logic, or even profit making - just something dark inside their hearts.
Except there is no evidence of a gloomy set of data. None at all. ASPs are good, volume is good, profit is good. They sold a ton of X's.
Well, perhaps that is how the game is played. For example - let's say you are a fund manager, and your goal is to match the S&P 500 +1%. That's all most of them have to do. My cousin was a fund manager for a multi Billion dollar retirement fund for a big big paper company years ago.
You miss out on something obvious like AAPL stock, so you participate in an orchestrated propaganda smear campaign. Probably a lot of people get yellow envelopes under the table to say this or say that, and likely there are enough haters out there who can spread the negative words without even being aware that they are part of the smear campaign.
You knock AAPL down and it bounces back, and do it again and it bounces back.
I suppose if you are part of the group orchestrating the dips, you can strategically buy them. Apple has probably been very very good to some traders, and the game continues. Trump will fart and the market will drop 400 points for 2 days.
I mean, how low does anyone think AAPL stock can go really? You have $100 BILLION waiting to buy the dips. Does ANYONE think there is another stock that is a safer investment than AAPL?
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What are you basing this comment on?
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I don’t know but it’s amusing to see people call Tim Cook a crook, liar and someone who’s cooking the books and manipulating the stock...all because they can’t stand the fact that the X is actually popular.
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So the combined sales of two phones are greater than the sales of one phone? Shocking! I’m not sure how you’re defining platform here. Why would the 8 be a different platform than the 7? Both have Touch ID and use the same navigation/gestures. Also how many people chose an 8 Plus because of the bigger screen real estate? How many would have purchased an X Plus if Apple sold one?
Cook's the one that literally pretty much claimed the phone would be good for the next decade...that's akin to Apple's old "magical" line of phraseology. I'm just pointing out (like the guy I was responding to) that it doesn't work like that.
Yeah as long as it is a pick up game against your classmates at lunch.
Yeah it's a winner.
15% of smartphones sold are from Apple.
Process that for a minute.
In an industry that they invented and had a multi-year head start on.
That's not a superbowl win.
That's a participation trophy.
Yeah it's a winner.
15% of smartphones sold are from Apple.
Process that for a minute.
In an industry that they invented and had a multi-year head start on.
That's not a superbowl win.
That's a participation trophy.
Sort of funny that every quarter there are record profits (money that comes out of the pockets of their customers), and people don't mind that, but mention paying taxes (income or sales) and people do everything they can NOT to pay them (cheat, shop out of state, etc.).
It's sort of weird how people WANT Apple to take more of their money.
Yet the iPhone sells the most of any smartphone and Apple makes the majority of the profits in the smartphone industry. Hell of a participation trophy.
The same way it seems to bother more people that it’s not a success.
Now we just need to agree on what success means.
The only thing that bothers me is when people take facts (like the record iPhone quarter that they just had and the X being the top seller through the last two quarters) and somehow try to say it isn't a success. It just doesn't make any sense. If people feel better about themselves for trying to paint a negative picture, go for it, but I'll never understand it.
LOL such nonsensical comparison that Apple shareholders cling to SO hard.
Breaking down non-iOS sales by vendor is completely artificial and utterly misrepresents the market.
APPLE SELLS A SMALL NUMBER OF THE SMARTPHONES IN THE WORLD.
Do not be confused. They are a minority player.
Just because you see an iPhone in every hand in southern california, it does not mean that the iPhone is popular.
Did I just blow your mind?
15%. Say it with me.
15% of smartphones sold are made by Apple.
Haha, you seem very upset about this topic so probably best just to move on. If you want to group together a bunch random free/low end smartphones and claim they make a big impact on the smartphone market, so be it.
I'm pretty upset.
I don't like the new direction of Apple and I don't like being lied to.
People making believe that Apple is a dominant player in the smartphone market, despite the presence of clear statistics to the contrary, are lying.
There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Apple uses statistics.
Apple started with a dominant position in a market they INVENTED and squandered it.
Here they are barely eking out a double-digit share of unit sales while the world becomes saturated by non-iOS smartphones.
Yet Apple marketing collateral (and forum groupies) insist that everything is going just great!
Making the most money at something does not make you the best at it, or the most likely to succeed.
In technology, you go by ADOPTION. And the world is adopting Android a billion at a time.
That, friends, is a fail.
I'm pretty upset.
I don't like the new direction of Apple and I don't like being lied to.
People making believe that Apple is a dominant player in the smartphone market, despite the presence of clear statistics to the contrary, are lying.
There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics. Apple uses statistics.
Apple started with a dominant position in a market they INVENTED and squandered it.
Here they are barely eking out a double-digit share of unit sales while the world becomes saturated by non-iOS smartphones.
Yet Apple marketing collateral (and forum groupies) insist that everything is going just great!
Making the most money at something does not make you the best at it, or the most likely to succeed.
In technology, you go by ADOPTION. And the world is adopting Android a billion at a time.
That, friends, is a fail.
I wouldn't get that worked up about it personally, but I respect your opinion. I just can't sit here and agree that owning a market share full of cheap free buy one get one phones for the sole purpose of advertising is something to be proud of. If you aren't happy with the direction of Apple, walk into any carriers store and ask for a free phone, you'll have your Android in minutes.
Exactly, and when countered with facts their argument is that "nobody forces you to buy it".
Market share is the means. Profit is the end.
I ask you the same question I pose to every critic here. Would you as a smartphone company prefer Apple’s profits or Android’s market share?
Apple is winning on all the metrics which matter to them.
Market share every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Market share speaks to trajectory.
I would rather be the company taking over the market with my ecosystem than the company languishing in the corner not selling too many phones (true story look it up -- only 15% of smartphones sold come from Apple).
Net profit paradoxically correlates to poor positioning when it comes to technology companies.
If they are making a tonne of gross profit and not reinvesting it, they are usually milking old ideas.
Which is exactly what we've got here.
Bad scene man. It's a bad scene.
Better factor a replaced battery into that equation sometime early next decade...
When has Apple ever provided sales data on specific iPhone models?