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And that will be the end of Apple. Software houses are not going to rewrite all of their code again.
Why would they need to? Simply recompile against the latest Apple frameworks that support mac os on ARM and off you go. It's totally possible to write frameworks now that compile for both OS', I've done it myself.

I for one would by quite curious to see mac os running on a combination (4 hardwired together or something) of A10s.
 
I've installed it on three minis, a mac pro, an iMac and two MacBook pros with nary a problem.

Regardless, GM is release version wether it runs well on your machine or not.
Just the same. let me know when everything has been fixed, like around ".5" or ".6".

Apple doesn't pay me to be a Beta tester.
 
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I am actually quite surprised that people haven't taken up my challenge to explain why they need new machines, other than they don't like paying for older technology, even when it is just as capable.

Video rendering, application compiling, effects processing, faster deadlines... I'm actually quite surprised that people think the world of today is the same as the world of yesterday when 8-bit machines would have sufficed... And I know the reason, for both dichotomous answers

A few thoughts on this....

  1. Current Macs, even those 2, 3, 4 years old are still exceptional machines that outperform mid-to-high range Windows computers any day of the week (not talking clock speed, but general productivity and problem-free operation). So there's no urgency for an upgrade that will satisfy an unmet need other than having the latest and greatest.
  2. Apple is definitely distracted by iOS, both software and hardware, and it's clear to see why. The future is mobile. But the Mac remains an integral part of Apple's operations. Can you imagine them designing the next iPhone on a Windows computer? No. But I do take Tim's response with a grain of salt. How intimate is he with the Mac, the user experience? I've observed issues that have persisted for months or years, with complete silence and inaction from Apple.
  3. People that email Tim directly are ... (blip).

1. Um, look up application benchmarks - in most cases, the Mac is not that much faster. Especially as 2, 3, and 4 year old Macs run the same Intel hardware Windows machines use. The underlying FreeBSD architecture is good in some areas, poor in others. Ditto for Windows, each has strengths and weaknesses.

2. Apple believes there is more profit in iOS. How do you capitalists feel in either being left out or forced to be on the end of their leash?

3. "(blip)" means "wasting their time"? Remember, CEOs do not work for customers. Only for profit. Obfuscation occurs, people will figure that out those details one day on their own.

Are you asking why people are complaining that Apple is asking premium prices for out date computers?

It just means a larger profit margin for Apple. Or a smaller one if it can't sell enough old units in time. If Apple had limited stock of the current model then built a few thousand more, then there's a cost difference. Compared to the same year old model that's gathering dust as opposed to parts freshly purchased and put together by the (what entities seem to call either "reasonable" or "slave labor" costs, which becomes another and rather complex argument in of itself elsewhere that also ties into one or more of the issues I addressed above...)
 
Just the same. let me know when everything has been fixed, like around ".5" or ".6".

Apple doesn't pay me to be a Beta tester.
that's why they have the OS beta program now.. so you don't have to be a beta tester upon initial release..

they're releasing a new OS every year these days.. in the past, it was every 2 years which is the mindset you're seemingly still adhered to..

previously:
-new OS released
-wait 8 months for bugs to be worked out.. often via users using the official release.
- update around V.5

now:
- voluntary public beta testing
- new OS release
- update when you've got the all-clear from your software devs regarding compatibility issues.. around V.0 or V.1
 
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Maybe Tim meant stay "tuned" as in the next upcoming Apple Music features. I'm glad Eddie cue went missing during keynotes.

So they will finally fix Logic Pro X and Logic Studio 9 so they will work on the newer OS? Why should there be bugs when Apple is ostensibly known for consistency and long-term compatibility? Especially on the same old Intel chipset designs, what could have been radically redesigned under the hood, apart from driver architecture and given how Apple has been lax on OS X, why they would waste their time on the architecture changes makes little sense - apart from making the lives of the 3 people who still play with (that sort of thing) more needlessly difficult when Apple itself clearly knows it's killing the Macs, with the latest example being the condescending ipad advert that tries to CONvince us it's a real computer?!


Why stay tuned for the tinkle muzak and voiceover that treats its audience as if it has a collective IQ of perhaps 12?
 
It's beyond pathetic at this point. I feel bad for those trashcan Mac owners, who now need to go to the "discontinued" section of Apple's support site to find support documents.

The entire Mac lineup had languished for FAR too long, and they have the audacity to charge the same price for obsolete tech? What a joke.
 
You mean to say the Mac Pro with its outdated architecture is more functional than a recent PC server packing more cpus, more RAM, and more powerful GPUs? How so?
I won't speak for the nMP, but as for an oMP, if you want to run OSX (Mac OS, Kitties, State Parks, whatever), then yes.
 
Tim: “We already make amazing computers, and we could make the world’s best in all categories.”

Jony: “Thinner.”

Tim: “Who let Jony out of his padded [design] room again?”
 
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that's why they have the OS beta program now.. so you don't have to be a beta tester upon initial release..

they're releasing a new OS every year these days.. in the past, it was every 2 years which is the mindset you're seemingly still adhered to..

previously:
-new OS released
-wait 8 months for bugs to be worked out.. often via users using the official release.
- update around V.5

now:
- voluntary public beta testing
- new OS release
- update when you've got the all-clear from your software devs regarding compatibility issues.. around V.0 or V.1
Here's an idea, release a system when it's a real improvement and it's bulletproof, not because you think a workstation is a phone, or you have a "Dog and Pony Show" to attend.
 
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Are you asking why people are complaining that Apple is asking premium prices for out date computers?

No, that is obvious. If someone says "I run a business where I need to transcode huge files and am limited right now because there are no Apple machines that have the power." then I would say "you've got a valid gripe."

What 95% of the people on here do with their computers is not that, and the current hardware is overkill for what they do right now. (yes I pulled that number out of my ***)

I have two Mac Pros and Two Retina iMacs, and in no way do I use all the power in them, which is why I don't attack Apple even though I would love something cool next month that made me want to buy it.
 
i used to be surprised by that too.. especially in the mac pro forum.
but yeah, you just aren't going to find one of these negativeNancys around here saying they neeeeeed more horsepower then go on to explain why..
the only software they actually use is geekbench etc..

if you want informed/real-world usage conversations about hardware and/or increasing personal productivity, you'll likely find this type of talk in various professional software forums. go figure..

Challenge accepted.

I do 3d art. Am I a "professional"? No, I am a hobbyist.

My entire workflow is built around the number of cores & the amount of ram available. None of this software is very expensive, and apparently most folks here would be amazed at how many people use this stuff (with the exception of Zbrush)

Zbrush-Poser-LuxRender-Vue-Photoshop Elements.

I can't do what I do on an iMac - too few cores, ****** gpu & quite frankly, the iMac would melt under a heavy render load. I have a large stack of Apple products that died for Sir Idiot Boy's failure to grasp the concept of heat dissipation.

I can't do it with an iCan either - It is a TCO fail.

Everything that Sir Idiot Boy removed would have to be replaced. Perhaps some of you can live with 1 or 2 drives attached to the iCan. I can't.

As a minimum 2 4 bay external enclosures (for the data & iTunes HDs), and an external Thunderbolt dock (so I could actually connect all of the peripherals that I use on at least a weekly basis).
 
Cook should be forced to read all 900+ pages of the "Waiting for Skylake Thread" as punishment. :D

Awesome idea!! :D

I wonder if they.... "Apple Exec's" ever do frequent these forums or others?

Doubt it, they don't seem too bothered in listening to what real users are saying or want in a product, they'd rather remove features to sell you extra adaptors or think of idea's to make it thinner.
 
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I hope they don't get rid of the headphone jacks in all new macs, cuz you know, they have courage.

Actually, this brings up a good point. If Apple wants users to move to lightning headphones, and kill the 3.5mm jack, then they'd better put a lightning port on the new Macs.

The difference in removing the headphone port from the phone and removing the floppy disk drive from the Mac, is that the latter was replaced with an industry standard that worked across all platforms (CD-R's) whereas the headphone port is being replaced with an Apple proprietary port that only works with Apple devices. Once Android follows Apple and removes their audio jack port they will replace it with USB-C and we will have fragmentation across the board. There will be no single, industry standard audio port anymore and that kind of sucks.

This presents a conundrum for Apple. We know Apple is going to have to put USB-C on the new Macs. In fact, they've already done so with the Macbook. Now, if they don't put a Lightning Port on the new Macs as well, and they remove the headphone jack, then users will be inclined to use USB-C headphones with their computers. And that's when things get messy. Are we supposed to purchase USB-C headphones AND Lightning Headphones while we wait for wireless to catch up and drop in price? I imagine there will be a lightning port on the new Macs and if there isn't, that will be a big mistake.

It should be interesting to see what other "courageous" things Apple pulls this year.
 
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