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This pic doesn't look blurry, it's look over compressed. Let's see it without the upload. They did not upload full resolution pics from the phone online sucking up peoples data.
 
These look like snapshots anyone could snap with a 5-year-old smartphone if they had access to the sidelines.

But since they're done with an iPhone then they're magical.

Wow, just about any post nowadays concerning Apple brings out all of the child-like Apple haters, akin to cockroaches attracted to leftover food. I guess they are emboldened by the clickbait at so called tech news sites like the Verge or Engadget.
 
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It clearly takes up some


It clearly takes SOME room. You can argue on how much additional space is gained from the removal, but it is ridiculous to say that the SIM and 3.5mm port take "nothing" in something as small as a phone.

Rather obviously I don't mean LITERALLY nothing, but instead, negligible amounts of PCB real estate. I have been an electronics repair and calibration engineer & electronics production line assembly worker in consumer, industrial and military electronics since 1991, so I think I have a fair amount of experience.

Refer to this video - a TINY smartphone which still manages to include a 3.5mm jack AND a SIM slot, and then tell me this story about "too much space" again...

 
These photos are absolutely stunning. I cannot wait to start shooting photos from my new iPhone 7 Plus 256GB device. I feel seriously sorry for anyone who is choosing to stay with even the iPhone 6s Plus because the cameras in these new phones are a million miles ahead of what you've got.

If you can afford to upgrade, upgrade. These new iPhones truly are the best iPhones Apple has ever made.

I would be deeply concerned if they were not "the best iPhones Apple has ever made."

It cracks me up every year when they open the keynote with "these are the best iPhones we've ever made." Yeah, no s***. What are they supposed to say? These are somewhat mediocre, probably not the best iPhones we've ever made. Keep last year's model?
 
I suppose for some people, sunshine, blue skies, and green grass, are sufficient to make any photo look good...?

They are really blurry photos...
Blurry? Not in any way shape or form. You need glasses if you think these are blurry.
 
It is possible for Apple to include the same dual camera system in the 4.7" model or does the smaller size actually prevent this?
Nah. Too crammed. They'd need to remove the lightning port and the sim tray. :p


I think the only use for a dual lens camera would be for 3D imaging. I'd rather have a much bigger iPhone Nipple™ for a proper lens than a useless gimmick.
A bigger sensor wouldn't hurt either. In fact, I'd take a bigger sensor/lens assembly over a thousand tiny lenses/sensors any day of the week.


Guys calm the F down. The images on MR are not the originals. The originals are very nice. Trust me. I freaked out too lol
There are no originals. They are all downsized/downsampled and are nowhere near 12MP default that the iPhone 7 lens shoots. There's no way to tell what's, if anything, been done to them. And, as many already mentioned, handpicked full sunlight photos taken by a 'pro' are the least impressive way to showcase a camera's supposed prowess.
 
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I thought it was supposed to have "some" bokeh? It features f1.8 apparently.

Every camera has "some" bokeh. The "blur" varies on a number of things such as the subject distance (closer = narrower DoF), focal length (telephoto = more background compression), and sensor size (smaller = wider DoF).

That last point is what's important here. Compared to a 35mm/full-frame camera, an iPhone at f/1.8 is really equivalent to something like f/16—in other words, very little bokeh.

The telephoto lens on the iPhone 7 Plus is f/2.8 so it'll have less bokeh. But being telephoto naturally compresses the background which makes up for some of it.

That's where the second lens comes into play. The wider lens & sensor will capture the same field of view as the telephoto (plus more but not needed here). The images from both sensors get compared by the ISP and parallax is used to determine what is close and what is far. That's extremely powerful data that can be used to selectively blur different pixels at different distances. The result is fake bokeh but if done well then it could be a game-changer and get away from all these flat images.
 
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I would be deeply concerned if they were not "the best iPhones Apple has ever made."

It cracks me up every year when they open the keynote with "these are the best iPhones we've ever made." Yeah, no s***. What are they supposed to say? These are somewhat mediocre, probably not the best iPhones we've ever made. Keep last year's model?


"Ever" means "up to this point" - what else could it mean? They're not lying or exaggerating - time travel ain't real, so I suppose they're being honest.
 
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Adios, have fun with your tail chasing and circular reasoning.
 
I thought it was supposed to have "some" bokeh? It features f1.8 apparently.

It's fake bokeh produced by the software, not the lens itself. At these distances, a 56mm (The telephoto lens in the 7 Plus) won't product any bokeh whatsoever on its own.
 
"Ever" means "up to this point" - what else could it mean? They're not lying or exaggerating - time travel ain't real, so I suppose they're being honest.

That's not the point. They are stating the obvious. Everyone would expect the latest iPhone to be "best ever made."
 
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It's fake bokeh produced by the software, not the lens itself. At these distances, a 56mm (The telephoto lens in the 7 Plus) won't product any bokeh whatsoever on its own.

Since you don't own a 7+, I am not sure how you feel able to qualify absolutes.

Strange, the Moto G4 produces "bokeh", no matter how minimal, it's still there, Google it.
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That's not the point. They are stating the obvious. Everyone would expect the latest iPhone to be "best ever made."

So it's the truth, and even if it's obvious, better than lying.
 
Colors look great, but why do iPhone photos have such noticeable grain to them? I could never wish to use one as a background without noticing tons of noise.
 
Can I ask what you think of these photos from the i7?

Honestly, from these photos I can't tell anything. I've never found photographs made in harsh light very appealing.

If it were me I would have made photos somewhere else in light that's not so harsh. Making photos in mid-day sun is killer for any camera. Unless you're using fill-flash, which for sports pix, and especially for a phone cam, is usually not an option.
 
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LOL - "I am right, because my opinion relies on fact" - a phrase which is used almost as frequently as that which is used by new prison inmates: "I shouldn't be in here, I did nothing wrong".

#humanpride
The two have nothing to do with each other. I am not a prison inmate. I am right, and what I said is fact. Try to refute it, I dare you.
Blurry? Not in any way shape or form. You need glasses if you think these are blurry.
Perhaps I have a better monitor than you do. 800x600 is a low resolution photo these days, and is quite blurry on my monitor.
 
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The two have nothing to do with each other. I am not a prison inmate. I am right, and what I said is fact. Try to refute it, I dare you.

Have a lovely week and enjoy life. I don't come here to cause arguments, be happy :) God bless you!
 
Strange, the Moto G4 produces "bokeh", no matter how minimal, it's still there, Google it.
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So it's the truth, and even if it's obvious, better than lying.

All lenses produce bokeh. In fact, you could tell the quality of the lens by looking at how butterfly smooth bokeh it produces. It's why I kept using Minolta lenses after I got the Sony Alphas. They produced beautiful colors and wonderful bokeh. Current iPhone creates this effect, just not as well. The software manipulation is pretty clever actually.
 
All lenses produce bokeh. In fact, you could tell the quality of the lens by looking at how butterfly smooth bokeh it produces. It's why I kept using Minolta lenses after I got the Sony Alphas. They produced beautiful colors and wonderful bokeh. Current iPhone creates this effect, just not as well. The software manipulation is pretty clever actually.

I'd like to see a smooth butterfly... :p
 
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^ Clearly not an electronics engineer. 3.5mm jacks take up NOTHING, space wise, nor do SIM cards.

Armchair engineers. Pffft.
Just wait and see, when Apple incorporates a night vision camera or capability this dual camera will magically fit into the 4.7 inch model. The same excuse was made for OIS on the plus model. I owned both 6 plus and 6S plus for the OIS and 1080p screen, though I wonder if the bezel could shrink my clothes pockets would appreciate it more :D
 
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Since you don't own a 7+, I am not sure how you feel able to qualify absolutes.

He doesn't need an iPhone 7 Plus. Maybe he actually understands photography and knows that a 56mm f/2.8 lens focusing onto a 1/3" sensor results in an 35mm-equivalent f/16 aperture—which means virtually zero bokeh at these subject distances. Landscape photographers don't even shoot with that small of an aperture.
 
Honestly, from these photos I can't tell anything. I've never found photographs made in harsh light very appealing.

If it were me I would have made photos somewhere else in light that's not so harsh. Making photos in mid-day sun is killer for any camera. Unless you're using fill-flash, which for sports pix is usually not an option.

Fair enough. I'm suprised Apple choose these, they really do not do the potential of the hardware justice. I'd have thought the photographer would have given Apple some better shots, taking advantage of the upgraded hardware.

Mind you I have seen crappy shots provided by canon and Leica at launch too.
 
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