Time to move on from Apple iPhone...

[62tele]

I have been around here long to enough that every one will make excuses for Apple. How long did it take to get a simple copy/past function added to iOS. I forget what the excuse for that was....oh yeah it had to be done right.

You realize that Android copied and emulate iOS? You realize that it was Bill Gates who, when he saw the first iPhone, told his staff "we set the bar too low".

Apple has more often than not raised the bar for mobile devices andwhat we have come to expect from them. They seem to have a more integrated approach with iPhone/iPad than others such as Android.

The ecosystem for iOS is far more robust than that of Android thus far. Yes, Google has some nice tweaks and a few gimmicks. They aren't game changers.

It's a dree market and you can choose whatever you like. It's really not noteworthy that you're making a change. You could have spared us the drama

 

[RafaelT]

I want a phone with every feature that I can use now.

Luckily they make those phones. Unfortunately when you throw every feature possible into a phone, especially when it is newer tech it usually comes with some design compromises so enjoy.

People here are not making excuses for Apple, we are simply stating why we believe Apple makes the decisions that they do and why we like the decisions that are made. If I didn't like the decisions they made I wouldn't buy their products. You don't seem to believe that people can like those decisions and are under the impression that we just want to blindly defend Apple. You obviously don't like the decisions they make, so go ahead and get that new phone you want and head on over to the android forums.

 

[sotorious]

My point is that Apple will release a 4G iPhone when the technology is at true 4G speeds. Same reason why the original iPhone wasn't 3G. If that's not good enough for you then get a different phone.

3g was just starting to become apparent then not everyone knew what 3g was at that time.

 

[luked14]

3g was just starting to become apparent then not everyone knew what 3g was at that time.

The only reason we all know about LTE now is that carriers took the term and used it to advertise products and services that aren't even close to real LTE.

 

[sinsin07]

Still not an acceptable reason. It would be acceptable if Apple updated phones more often than once a year. And yes I know my phone will never be on top of technology scale for long, but the next iPhone will already be outdated before it is even released and that is unacceptable.

Oh yeah how about giving us a choice of larger screens as well. I'm tired of sub 4 inch screens as well.

I have owned every iPhone so far, but Apple is not keeping up with its competitors.

Sound like you want Apple to be Google/Android. It is what it is. Guess you did not read the links, heres another:
Apple: Analyst Says No LTE in iPhone 5

Just because the Thunderbolt has bad battery life don't think all LTE will be that way in the foreseeable. The Droid Charge is out and it has much better battery life than Thunderbolt. Don't make excuses for Apple...not all LTE phones will have that problem.

See above. Until those chips are out, you will have subpar battery life using 4G.

I have been around here long to enough that every one will make excuses for Apple. How long did it take to get a simple copy/past function added to iOS. I forget what the excuse for that was....oh yeah it had to be done right.

Apparently you being around here has not clued you in on how Apple works. They don't bow to what everyone else does, they do things in their own way and time. But I agree with you on cut and paste, mms etc.

snip... I want a phone with every feature that I can use now.

No you don't. If you did you would of posted about how great your new Android/Win7 phone is.

To help you along your way, here is Andorid shopping list for ya:
Android Devices

Don't get dizzy with the multitude of devices and make sure you check which ones will get firmware updates by the carrier. Good luck with dat.

You have the choice of the three "L"s: Love it, Live with it, or Leave it.

 

[SeaChange]

Sound like you want Apple to be Google/Android. It is what it is. Guess you did not read the links, heres another:
Apple: Analyst Says No LTE in iPhone 5

See above. Until those chips are out, you will have subpar battery life using 4G.

Apparently you being around here has not clued you in on how Apple works. They don't bow to what everyone else does, they do things in their own way and time. But I agree with you on cut and paste, mms etc.

No you don't. If you did you would of posted about how great your new Android/Win7 phone is.

To help you along your way, here is Andorid shopping list for ya:
Android Devices

Don't get dizzy with the multitude of devices and make sure you check which ones will get firmware updates by the carrier. Good luck with dat.

I already know that I will be getting a Motorola Droid Bionic or Samsung Galaxy S2 sometime this summer. Good thing my iPhone 4 32GB has great resell value!

I use my phone more than my laptop/tv combined so larger screen is needed. So is Flash. I get a custom ROM so I am not really worried about updates and the firmware on the Galaxy S2 has already been once recently. You don't have wait 4 months to root it again after an update either.

 

[DeuceDeuce]

...I'm pretty sure Chicago and New York City will have ample LTE coverage in the near future and that is all I am concerned with.

Fortunately for us that don't live where you do Apple doesn't feel the same way.

 

[sotorious]

The only reason we all know about LTE now is that carriers took the term and used it to advertise products and services that aren't even close to real LTE.

Well you got to give the people what they want! Just like apple advertises their computers. It just works. Which they do you used older overpriced hardware.

 

[sinsin07]

I already know that I will be getting a Motorola Droid Bionic or Samsung Galaxy S2 sometime this summer. Good thing my iPhone 4 32GB has great resell value!

I use my phone more than my laptop/tv combined so larger screen is needed. So is Flash. I get a custom ROM so I am not really worried about updates and the firmware on the Galaxy S2 has already been once recently. You don't have wait 4 months to root it again after an update either.

Sounds like a plan. I'm interested in a larger screen too. Eyesight not what it used to be. I really would like to get my hands on that 4g 3d phone. Always liked the EVO ever since I played around with a coworkers.
Flash for me would be nice, eliminates one of the last ios hurdles, but I can generally do what I need to without having to sacrafice.

What websites do you frequent that require flash and have no html 5 substitute? I only ask because I may be missing out on something.

 

[erayser]

Pretty sure you are wrong. Verizon LTE is legit. AT&T has a bum version of 4G though.

OK Great. Still much faster than 3G. What's your point? I'm sure when Apple has it on the iPhone you won't mind.

Like I posted earlier, I have Verizon's 4G LTE currently. They say we should have 4G LTE coverage in San Diego, but it isn't 100%. I don't even have 4G LTE coverage in my own home, when their map says I should. Like I mentioned earlier, last night I drove with my wife last night trying to find a 4G LTE signal just so we can stream a Netflix movie on my iPad 2... but couldn't find one. If a Verizon 4G LTE device isn't able to find a 4G signal, then it drops down to 3G. I've had Verizon's 3G for 2years (I still do with my 4G LTE mifi), and Verizon's 3G is very slow, and at times, unusable. Like I posted earlier, I was unable to stream Netflix with Verizon's 3G last night. We ended up using my iPhone 4 with AT&T 3G to stream Netflix, and worked great. I'm not saying you shouldn't be bothered that the next iPhone isn't going to have 4G. I'm just saying that Verizon's 4G LTE may sound good, but it isn't perfect or legit. But I know... coming from someone that actually uses Verizon's 4G LTE... I'm wrong... and 4G LTE is the best thing ever.

 

[aneftp]

My point is that Apple will release a 4G iPhone when the technology is at true 4G speeds. Same reason why the original iPhone wasn't 3G. If that's not good enough for you then get a different phone.

Well I don't think Thays the case with lack of 3G chip in 2007.
3G had widely available on ATT's network some 2005 (it launched in select markets in 2004). I had ATT 3G in the Washingtom DC area already widespread at beginning of 2005.

Apple purposely launched an EDGE only iPhone in 2007 purely for test purposes so if iPhone was "success" they could cheaply "update" to iPhone 3G (2008) with practically zero costs in terms of R and D which they did for huge profits. Since iPhone 2007 and iPhone 3G 2008 were essential same exact phone except GPS and 3G chip (but screen, camera, processor, RAM) were identical.

Now with LTE it's a different story. Verizon just launch LTE within past 12 months give or take and ATT hasn't even launched their LTE network. So it's understandable that Apple doesn't have LTE in 2011. It will not be understable if Apple didn't have at least HSPA + with 2011 iPhone 5.

 

[iApples]

Why are people mad that they release new phones all the time?

Why would you want a new phone to be released every week? The phone that's released is better than the one you have, and it makes your newly purchased phone obsolete. At least with the iPhone you can ENJOY having the best device until the new one is release.

 

[sotorious]

Why would you want a new phone to be released every week? The phone that's released is better than the one you have, and it makes your newly purchased phone obsolete. At least with the iPhone you can ENJOY having the best device until the new one is release.

If that didn't happen we wouldn't have hit 1ghz in our phones which now allow us to do bigger and better things.

Also its not really your phone is being outdated one is just making minor tweaks which is setting the bar, hence front facing cameras, also its not just the verity of specs, its also the looks of the phone. You have choices of more than 1 look or color, also on all the providers. This is why its not a bad thing.

 

[SeaChange]

At least with the iPhone you can ENJOY having the best device until the new one is release.

Exactly what I thought. Thanks for being honest. I actually like the iPhone. I think I just want something different after having the same phone for the last 5 years. New phones constantly being release means more competition and better phones btw. Apple has no incentive to push their phones as people will buy regardless of the puny updates...for now.

 

[AndrewR23]

I dont feel like reading this whole 3 page rant....But Apple has been behind every year in the iPhone. Until the 4 in my opinion.


It took forever to get copy and paste....a feature my 2000 phone had.

The 4 made up for all that though...And I'm positive the next iPhone will fly by any Android device currently out or releasing this summer.

 

[tigress666]

So basically you like having a bottleneck on developers? How often do you upgrade your computers? I know you can't be a gamer right?

Also Droid get rooted and have custom UIs so support doesn't affect people that hack their phones like I do. I will have more to play with! I have not updated my iPhone in over 6 months because Apple is constantly trying to lock you out. As far apps go...the Droid marketplace is 2/3 of App Store at this point and gaining fast so I think I will have some choices.

And yet iphone has more support from game makers than Android.

I'm just saying cause I've seen developers on here mention there is a reason they prefer iphone even if Android has more users. And every vs. review actually rates the iphone best for games (but Android better for social applications) solely cause it gets more support from game makers.

Hardware isn't everything when making games. You want to be able to sell the games and the game makers are going to go where they will sell the most games. In this case, iphone limits their market less cause more people will have phones universal that can use their apps vs. trying to develop only for a set few phones (Android OS has more phones but individually the iphone 4 still outsells the individual android phones. Now add in 3GS cause in general if iphone 4 can handle it so can the 3GS with maybe a small tweak in graphics you get a much larger audience).

 

[SeaChange]

I'm not saying Apple's business practices are worse. I'm saying they make lesser phones for the time they are released. The phone are great quality with great support, but they always leave out things that could reasonably have been implemented early. I'm not even talking LTE here either.

 

[sinsin07]

Wel said dude. Definitely move away from that sinquin ship.


iOS=Myspace and Android=Facebook.


Noboody uses iOS anymore everybody is jumping ship to Android before Apple drowns.

Get the bennefits of Android a free Open Source OS, faster and easire to use than Apple propertary crap.

Spoken like a true Android acolyte. I hope this was not an example of Android's spell check.

iOS is currently the ubiquitous, universal OS for mobile. That is why you see so many more vendors making things for iOS than Android. They only have one connector to worry about, one OS to write for.

By the way, it is always about the profits:
-Apple makes more money from their mobile phones than Nokia, Samsung and LG combined

-Android Provides More Eyeballs to Advertisers, While iPhone Offers Most Revenue to App Creators, Study Finds

-Apple Has 50% Of The Profits From Major Phone Makers

Here are some examples of IOS in use:
Music Hardware for IOS
April 11 2011:Apple Leapfrogs Motorola and HTC to Become No. 3 Phone Seller in U.S.
"The iPhone 4 was the top individual phone model, followed by the iPhone 3GS, Motorola Droid X, HTC EVO 4G, and HTC Droid Incredible."

When you look at a Crutchfield mag, you don't see much for Android.
Everywhere you go, you see iOS being adopted.

Doctors:
Doctors Favor iPhone, iPad Over Android

Apple or Android? Docs want Apple

Smartphone choice for doctors and medical students is iPhone, not Android

Why Apple’s iPad will beat Android tablets for hospital use

Pilots:
FAA OKs iPad for Pilots’ Charts

Delta Air Lines, Alaska Airlines Testing iPad as “In-Cockpit” Flight Tool

Thats just some of the the stuff you can find. Not saying that should sway anyone decision on what platform to use, just refuting the claim that no one use iOS.

 

[Certinfy]

3g was just starting to become apparent then not everyone knew what 3g was at that time.

What? I got a SE K800i in 2006 and it was a 3G phone and people knew about it and so, and that was over a year before the first iPhone was released.

 

[sinsin07]

What? I got a SE K800i in 2006 and it was a 3G phone and people knew about it and so, and that was over a year before the first iPhone was released.

Correct. That user you quoted should have done a search:
3g phones for 2006

It's amazing how many people will spew out numbers, facts, based on nothing more than their own gut instinct, how they think it should be, rolling of dice, casting bones or whatever without bothering to even verify or try to prove by verification.

 

[VulchR]

Well, OP, I wish you luck when you buy your new phone.

On my part, I am surrounded by a wonderfully quick wireless network that I can access 99% of my day with my 3GS: It's called WiFi, it's cheap (often free), fast, and I can get access to it even on some buses in Scotland. Until the UK is covered in the sweet glow of universal, affordable 4G networks, I'll make do with my primitive, underspec'ed iPhone.

Just curious: In the US does using a 4G phone cost more than a 3G phone? I mean, somebody has to pay for the new network, right? I presume it is early adopters on the bleeding (rather than cutting) edge.

 

[iMaconApple]

Enjoy your next android phone..it will only last you a good week or month before you get outdated because there's always a new android phone that comes out like every week/month..I hope you find the right phone for your needs

 

[tigress666]

I'm not saying Apple's business practices are worse. I'm saying they make lesser phones for the time they are released. The phone are great quality with great support, but they always leave out things that could reasonably have been implemented early. I'm not even talking LTE here either.

Oh, I'll agree with that, that's the way apple is. They're that way with their notebooks too it seems.

Thing is, apparently their business model works for them cause they've been like this for a long time now and they're doing well. So I doubt they'll change unless they find their business model not working.

That and I find despite my own complaints I find I still like their products best. Now I can't say about iphone vs. android honesty as I've only played with some androids at the stores (The incredible didn't seem so bad honestly) and will admit I think it's one of those os's that I'd actually have to use to see if I liked (I don't think it's as intuitive as iOS that I could just pick up a the store and figure out how to use it without much using it before so in some ways it's not a fair comparison except for comparing how easy it is to use right away. Not the same as how well I like using it once I'm used to the OS).

But at this point I like what apple does with their phones so far (Basically I have no big complaints, they have done well enough), they still have the majority of support for the apps I like most (games) and really I'd be happy as long as they were getting the support (even if they got the games after android, long as they don't lose the support I'll be happy there), and biggest thing is, I've already invested in a lot of apps and some accessories (my car's radio has an add on that lets me control my iphone/ipod through the radio and charges it for example).

So Apple would have to ***** up bigtime for me to change at this point (and I bet there are a lot of people like me out there. Having the latest and greatest is nowhere near enough incentive to move from the ecosystem we already locked ourselves into and are happy with. It would be one thing if I wasn't happy with it).

Honestly, I think it's more likely Apple doing something I really dislike or losing developer support would get me to change over some new Android phone that found something for me to drool at. The only improvement I really want to see on the next iphone is stuff that you expect, a faster processor, better battery, and more storage space. Everything else is gravy except screen size which I will be annoyed if they make the phone bigger for a bigger screen. I would rather the screen size stay as is and phone size stay as is than compromise phone size.

In other words I'm happy with my iphone, I'm happy so far with the direction is taking, and sure maybe some phones have some neat extras but they're not make it or break it items to me (and who cares about faster processors if it isn't getting you the app support . Plus there is the arguement that Android needs the faster processor to run smoothly which to the end user and developer making games helps even out the playing field with an OS that doesn't need so much processing power but has a slower processor).

 

[SeaChange]

Spoken like a true Android acolyte. I hope this was not an example of Android's spell check.

iOS is currently the ubiquitous, universal OS for mobile. That is why you see so many more vendors making things for iOS than Android. They only have one connector to worry about, one OS to write for.

By the way, it is always about the profits:
-Apple makes more money from their mobile phones than Nokia, Samsung and LG combined

-Android Provides More Eyeballs to Advertisers, While iPhone Offers Most Revenue to App Creators, Study Finds

-Apple Has 50% Of The Profits From Major Phone Makers

Here are some examples of IOS in use:
Music Hardware for IOS
April 11 2011:Apple Leapfrogs Motorola and HTC to Become No. 3 Phone Seller in U.S.
"The iPhone 4 was the top individual phone model, followed by the iPhone 3GS, Motorola Droid X, HTC EVO 4G, and HTC Droid Incredible."

When you look at a Crutchfield mag, you don't see much for Android.
Everywhere you go, you see iOS being adopted.

Doctors:
Doctors Favor iPhone, iPad Over Android

Apple or Android? Docs want Apple

Smartphone choice for doctors and medical students is iPhone, not Android

Why Apple’s iPad will beat Android tablets for hospital use

Pilots:
FAA OKs iPad for Pilots’ Charts

Delta Air Lines, Alaska Airlines Testing iPad as “In-Cockpit” Flight Tool

Thats just some of the the stuff you can find. Not saying that should sway anyone decision on what platform to use, just refuting the claim that no one use iOS.

The first military smartphone will run Droid...

 

[vistadude]

I think most people agree that the iPhone is a great phone. It's reasonably fast, the interface is intuitive, and the hardware is thin and decent looking.

But after 3-4 years of the same form factor and basically a small evolution of the iPhone OS, it's getting boring. The app store may be huge, but there are only a handful of good apps. And those apps serve a purpose, but don't really make the phone so fun to use. A lot of us want a totally new OS, with new gestures, a new looking set of icons or desktop which we flick through in a different way. We want widgets and changes which make the iPhone seem more real time rather than a bunch of app shortcuts. I think that's why a lot of us want to try something new like windows phone 7 or webOS, but so far the hardware for those OS's just isn't as good as the iPhone. Android has improved considerably but no one wants a phone full of bloatware, bad skins, and limited memory. I think many of us could agree we want apple to completely change the OS, like an OS 9 to OS X upgrade.