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So get this, the design model that should of been the choice for ALL the iPhones this year is delayed due to a "feature" literally no one wanted or asked for.
LOL
Bro, we were all clambering for animoji's don't you know? Without those, it might as well be a paperweight.
 
ffso_O If there are concrete indications we are not getting it this year , well bring the next iteration on next Sept then!!:rolleyes: Lets just see how the dynamics kinks pan out next month.
 
You have to step back and see how pampered we've become. Whining how a miracle of technology isn't instantly in our possession while some people are wondering where their next meal is coming from.

I keep coming to the same conclusion, and, am reminded how lucky we are to have what we do here and now. A little over a decade ago Most of us were stuck with feature phones (at best), Carrier contracts, and WEP for browsing websites.

Now even basic phones have enough power to run circles around most notebooks of that era. But yea, we have to wait a little for a new model phone from Apple, and pitch battles over opinions over such a device.
 
What does Samsung have to do with the true depth camera?
His point was that people are asking Apple to spend money on something that money cannot buy.
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Well obviously they're not going to admit if they totally screwed up. We won't know the real story for years.
But they definitely wouldn't have positioned Face ID as the "future" if they felt like it was only a temporary solution.
 
At this point it's best to just skip the X and wait for the XS (or what ever the name of the second version). We might even get a gold version and possibly a X Plus.

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I'm not the least bit surprised. FaceID is an incredibly complex system with numerous subsystems that all need to work precisely, flawlessly communicating with each other for it to work perfectly every time.

As far as I can tell, no one has done secure face recognition like this before.
 
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This is risky for Apple and not the norm. To take on new tech that's not fully established with any other manufacturer (normally Apple will drastically improve what's already out there - Retina Screen, TouchID etc etc). Maybe AirPods were an anomaly and/or rushed because of the removal of the headphone jack; but iPhone X seems like its what they set to do with squeezed timelines to push out something very different with the software coming late that pushed production dates so far back that they'd have to delay launch too.

People just need to calm down. It's not a surprise.
 
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The more I think about this logic the more I don't believe it. If they wanted to keep touch ID they could have put in in the back for the time being then introduce the ID under the screen as a huge new feature. I believe that their intent is to make Face ID the norm.

Nope!

Samsung tried that and failed, when they placed fingerprint reader on the back. It made no sense for Samsung to do it and even less sense of Apple to do it.
 
I'm not the least bit surprised. FaceID is an incredibly complex system with numerous subsystems that all need to work precisely, flawlessly communicating with each other for it to work perfectly every time.

It's just a structured light transmitter (aka dot maker), proximity sensor (distance) and a camera.

While they do have to be aligned during manufacturing, after that the critical part is what is done with the collected data each time it tries to recognize a face.

As far as I can tell, no one has done secure face recognition like this before.

This general method of facial recognition (using structured light and time of flight proximity) has been around for decades.

Yet apparently no single company makes all the (mobile) parts necessary. Plus, even though a single company might make the structured light transmitter, for example, it has to source parts itself from a half dozen places.

Industry reports of orders of tens of millions of Face Id parts began in the summertime. Too late to ramp up for mass quantity perhaps?

Maybe Apple believed their own BS about anything being available from China at a moment's notice. Yeah, for things like screws or body parts, maybe.
 
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Most loyal? Based on signing a payment plan agreement? C’mon. Silly. Some of us here have been using Apple products since, even before maybe, Apple was born. Some of us just like buying outright vs financing. Does that make us less loyal? But why even pretend Apple owes us anything for buying their products other than the product we bought in working condition and upholding its warranty for that product?
No, but we're guaranteed money coming into Apple constantly without end. When you buy outright, Apple can't know whether you're the person who upgrades every four years or every year. With us, they know they have us under their thumb for constant payments and therefore wants to keep us happily making payments. We also pay for AppleCare as part of the monthly fee. We're the ideal. Apple wants continuous iPhone Upgrades with AppleCare. It's why companies like Adobe have switched to a subscription model. It's more lucrative. It doesn't matter if you think you're more loyal to Apple, what Apple sees is constant stream of income from a group of people it wants to keep happy. However, I do think it would be nice if Apple could identify users who upgrade every single year and make sure they receive stock ahead of other users. You are loyal, but currently there's no way to really know because you're not grouped together with people who always upgrade. Have I made that distinction clear? It's kinda tricky to explain. I was just like you before this program came out.
 
Nope!

Samsung tried that and failed, when they placed fingerprint reader on the back. It made no sense for Samsung to do it and even less sense of Apple to do it.

Difference is Apple will make a system that can’t be fooled by a $50 Epson
 
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This is risky for Apple and not the norm. To take on new tech that's not fully established with any other manufacturer (normally Apple will drastically improve what's already out there - Retina Screen, TouchID etc etc). Maybe AirPods were an anomaly and/or rushed because of the removal of the headphone jack; but iPhone X seems like its what they set to do with squeezed timelines to push out something very different with the software coming late that pushed production dates so far back that they'd have to delay launch too.

People just need to calm down. It's not a surprise.
I kind of like it. They're doing something really new for the first time in a long time. It's exciting, and expensive, but really cool, too. It's going to be a bit of a beta situation for awhile but it looks like they did a good job of it according to the few people who got to try it out.
 
This isn’t true. Craig Federighi told John Gruber Touch ID under the display was plan B. Gruber also confirmed the same with Apple engineers who said they’ve been working on Face iD for over a year.

Erm firstly Craig is hardly likely to admit "Hey, we wanted to place Touch ID under the screen and could not do it so we decided to go with plan b which is inferior and you are lumbered with it."

Secondly in regards to working on Face ID for over a year, and??? Apple work on several things in tandem even though they will not see the light of day for over a year or more.
They would work on Face ID as a back up in case they could not get Touch ID under the screen and they do not just try to get plan a working then fail and at the last minute go with option b which try have not even attempted yet.
They work on all options way in advance.
 
Something must have happened where they decided later than normal that they wanted to do Face ID over Touch ID. The fact that the couldn't get Touch ID underneath the screen forced them to use their backup technology that they may have been planning for future iPhones, but not for the X

Several years ago Apple bought Primesense (makers of Kinect, which is essentially the same tech used by FaceID but miniaturized), along with other companies dealing with face tracking/recognition (RealFace) and 3D cameras (LiNX technologies). The A11, with its neural network and image processing modules used by FaceID, was being worked on 3 years ago.

Obviously FaceID was not a last minute afterthought.
 
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