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According to Federighi, FaceID only has been the chosen route for over a year. If it's more secure and faster like they say, you can understand why they canned off TouchID. This does not explain the front sensor lead-time issue though.

See my earlier post for why that is an assumption about Face ID being planned for so long and therefore not the back up option. IT WAS, REPEAT WAS the back up option
 
1. (If) The front depth sensor is indeed the bottleneck
2. (If) Many customers care about the OLED display instead of the Face ID and Animoji

The team could have given us:

7s
New Design, 1080p display, Back Touch ID

7s Plus
New Design, 1080p OLED Display, Back Touch ID
64/256GB storage

iPhone Edition
A bit larger 7s with both Touch ID and Face ID
Better Facetime Camera
128/512GB Storage

Now the widely available model has a 4yr old design w/o the OLED display that many want and the iPhone X may not be easy to grab due to Animoji.

Listen up listen carefully!

NO way will Apple ever have given Touch ID on the back, EVER! I would tell you why but you and everyone here seem incapable of understanding basic facts so I will not bother. Besides I already have done so plenty of times.
 
I suppose Apple should have charged even more for the iPhone X, lol. As someone who has never received a new iPhone beyond the launch date, I'm pretty sure my chances are slim to none that I'll get it on the launch date. Hopefully iPhone Upgrade Program users will have access to a separate pool of stock since we're the most loyal and most of us upgrade every year.

how are you more loyal than people that just buy the phone every year but just pay the whole thing. that does not make any sense my friend
 
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Psychologically this type of delays and constraints will make people want it more coz they'll think it's rare and hard to get.

But if they can't get it, then it doesn't matter because Apple can't sell it and make money. So they use their money to buy something else. Maybe it will be another Apple product, but it might not.
 
FaceID will be orders of magnitude than than anything else on the market, and it had better be. Afaic, Apple can take the time it needs to get this new tech right and manufacture it right. This is novel stuff, mission-critical stuff, and, for the haters, what innovation looks like. Tesla-the-Innovator’s stock went from 28 to 350 while they lost money and didn’t make enough cars. Take a deep breath everyone, have a decaf, and let Apple build your new amazing gadget. Kuo predicted that they’ll really ramp up by the end of the year. Are people really having new iPhone existential crises? My 6’s GPS was broken for 5 months and somehow I managed to survive the ordeal. Being cranky about not having the snazziest iPhone immediately really is a First World problem!
 
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The awful choice, albeit unavoidable, of Face ID over Touch ID rears its ugly head once again.
 
I'm not entirely surprised. If they could make millions of these per day, there wouldn't be an iPhone 8, would there? Just the iPhone X.

Seeing as the other new features are also in the iPhone 8 (besides the edge-to-edge display).
 
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The more I think about this logic the more I don't believe it. If they wanted to keep touch ID they could have put in in the back for the time being then introduce the ID under the screen as a huge new feature. I believe that their intent is to make Face ID the norm.

I believe they do intend to make it the norm, but that in the meantime they were pushing for an under screen TouchID and couldn't pull it off at a reasonable cost.
 
Are we just gonna have a 30 minute production update cycle until release day? Lol

Anything to keep the delta high on AAPL - that's what drives such "news"

Just look at AAPL stock - largest company with such stock price volatility.

It's a dream for the big Wall Street manipulators in my opinion.

Long term outlook for AAPL is great, so "buy the dips" :)
 
Apple should have saved the X announcement until they had enough yields. Now they slowed down demand for the 8 and also delayed the X by at least 2 months. Apple should have had a stand alone X announcement once they had production solved and done a January launch. That would have built up demand for the 8 and X.
 
No, but we're guaranteed money coming into Apple constantly without end. When you buy outright, Apple can't know whether you're the person who upgrades every four years or every year. With us, they know they have us under their thumb for constant payments and therefore wants to keep us happily making payments. We also pay for AppleCare as part of the monthly fee. We're the ideal. Apple wants continuous iPhone Upgrades with AppleCare. It's why companies like Adobe have switched to a subscription model. It's more lucrative. It doesn't matter if you think you're more loyal to Apple, what Apple sees is constant stream of income from a group of people it wants to keep happy. However, I do think it would be nice if Apple could identify users who upgrade every single year and make sure they receive stock ahead of other users. You are loyal, but currently there's no way to really know because you're not grouped together with people who always upgrade. Have I made that distinction clear? It's kinda tricky to explain. I was just like you before this program came out.

1. Guaranteed for the term of the loan. No longer.

2. If you ever go to a Genius they pull up your products registered by Apple ID. Mine is a few pages long and goes back a decade. Would be even longer if it started at 1988. So yes, Apple does have a record of what people buy over the long haul.
 
Something must have happened where they decided later than normal that they wanted to do Face ID over Touch ID. The fact that the couldn't get Touch ID underneath the screen forced them to use their backup technology that they may have been planning for future iPhones, but not for the X
Face id most certainly isn’t a “backup”

“Hey. We just invented the best biometrics in consumer grade technology! As a backup”
 
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is composed of a structured-light system, time-of-flight system and a front-facing camera
This doesn't sound right to me... Why does it need a structured light and time of flight sensor? They keynote made no mention of time of flight-- only the structured light and 2D infrared imager.
 
1. Guaranteed for the term of the loan. No longer.

2. If you ever go to a Genius they pull up your products registered by Apple ID. Mine is a few pages long and goes back a decade. Would be even longer if it started at 1988. So yes, Apple does have a record of what people buy over the long haul.
I know, but I'm saying they don't have a way to tap into that when you go to order, and I think they should. If we're doing iUP then we go through a separate process, and they could segment our orders from the rest of the group. I don't know a single person on iUP that doesn't renew every single year, even among my less tech-inclined family and friends. I know, that's just my anecdotal experience, but why would most people pay for another year when they could just be paying the same amount for the new model? It's designed to keep us locked in and "subscribed" to new iPhone models.
 
We are just at a different place. Human nature. Maslow's hierarchchy of needs. Doesn’t mean we aren’t concerned about those in need of more basic items.
That came across as more self righteous than I meant. But I still think the technological revolution isn't over yet and it's pretty awesome.
 
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Not that I doubt this current rumor, but can we all agree that KGI and Kuo have been all over the map this year with inaccurate statements?

The biggest, but not the only, one that comes to mind was his claim right before the September Event that Apple Watch 3 wouldn’t be able to make phone calls.

I’ve never seen Kuo as particularly accurate with respect to tech predictions, but usually he’s much more consistent on manufacturing and this year beyond “iPhone X will be delayed” he seems to have been missing the mark. I’m going to take everything he says with an even bigger grain of salt from now on.
 
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doesn't apple have like $200 billion in the bank? like jesus christ buy some factories, companies, or whatever to get production what it needs to be smh


It doesn't work that way in the world of high tech manufacturing. They aren't making nuts and bolts where it's simply a matter of adding another production line. To illustrate, Samsung is one of the largest conglomerates in the world, yet it can't simply flip a switch and meet Apple's demands for OLED screens. The technology is too new and complex.

At yes, it seems so simple, but the other key factor that most folks don't realize is that companies would soon go bankrupt if they spent billions on building new factories to meet short term demand and hiring hundreds of thousands of employees to run them. Even if the engineers and others were simply waiting about for jobs, which they aren't, if they did it that way, they would then have factories around the world that sat idle and they would be be constantly hiring and laying off hundreds of thousands employees. No the business world doesn't run that way.
 
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doesn't apple have like $200 billion in the bank? like jesus christ buy some factories, companies, or whatever to get production what it needs to be smh
Apple has $250 billion on hand because they're smart with their money.

Sure, they could spend hundreds of millions of dollars or billions on new production machines and floor space and labor and supplies.

But in a few months when supply has caught up with demand they'll have all that investment sitting idle and not earning them any money.

Instead they'll just take a few extra months to ramp up production and use that capital to fund other aspects of Apple like their R&D division.

Apple has the big picture in mind.
 
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