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Y’all should try “vineyard - compilations” on the App Store instead, it is kinda similar to tiktok
 
We as Americans have long had the opportunity to choose our level of privacy in the apps we choose to use. If it isn’t classified information I think this should continue to be the case. Locking down software and services because they come from another country is the start of building the Great Firewall of the US. It sets a really bad precedent.
 
Modi and Trump are not that different. So not surprising they do similar things.

A policy is not wrong just because it's done by someone you dislike...
Unless you believe that the Chinese government does not use its deep rooted technology companies for influence and potential undermining of political adversaries...
 
A policy is not wrong just because it's done by someone you dislike...
Unless you believe that the Chinese government does not use its deep rooted technology companies for influence and potential undermining of political adversaries...

A policy is also not right just because it is done by someone you like. The question here is not about who did it, rather it is about what is the evidence to justify it.

What you mentioned here is exactly the problem I am talking about. I do not think policy should be based on whether or not you "believe" something may happen. Policy should be based on evidence. If there is evidence that TikTok violates US law, deal with them accordingly based on US law. Banning them just because of your belief is exactly the problem I am talking about.
 
I agree with Führer Trump and his enablers on almost nothing, but I agree with this. (He also screwed up the TPP, which would’ve pulled the Pac Rim into a Western trade sphere instead of turning towards China, but that’s ocean water under the bridge. And the trade war is a sad, expensive joke.) But Our Dear Leader can come down on the likes of ByteDance and Huawei all he wants.

Agree with you - except that the TTP is bad for everyone except large corporations - many in EU were also against the text - the negotiations for which were completely undemocratic - being made in secrecy and only brought to light through sources like WikiLeaks
 
If Trump doesn’t care about Russian bounties on US soldiers he sure as hell doesn’t care about TickTok collecting user data.

He’s pissed because a bunch of TickTok tweens and Kpop fans ruined his Tulsa rally
 
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A policy is also not right just because it is done by someone you like. The question here is not about who did it, rather it is about what is the evidence to justify it.

What you mentioned here is exactly the problem I am talking about. I do not think policy should be based on whether or not you "believe" something may happen. Policy should be based on evidence. If there is evidence that TikTok violates US law, deal with them accordingly based on US law. Banning them just because of your belief is exactly the problem I am talking about.

The US government was already looking into TikTok:
 
Good. There should be no China owned companies or businesses allowed in the USA. They area controlled and responsible to the CCP who are the true bad actors in this day and age. The communist party ruins the lives of the honest and good people of China, steal intellectual property from US and European companies, and had no problem spreading their Virus through the world. The people of the world and the people of China deserve better than the thuggish communist government that runs a once great country.
There should be no US owned companies or businesses allowed in any country.
 
If Trump doesn’t care about Russian bounties on US soldiers he sure as hell doesn’t care about TickTok collecting user data.

He’s pissed because a bunch of TickTok tweens and Koop fans ruined his Tulsa rally

Yep - all foreign policy is made by Trump and the administration can only look into one thing at a time.

I dislike Trump, but the media reporting on everything is incridbly bad - and the publics understanding even worse. To wit (wikipedia)
The National Security Agency (NSA) has "strongly dissented" from the CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency assessments that the bounty plot is credible and real.
On June 29, 2020 [..] To date, DOD has no corroborating evidence to validate the recent allegations found in open-source reports.
According to the New York Times, on 1 July, the National Intelligence Council, which reports to the director of national intelligence, John Ratcliffe, produced a two-and-a-half page document in which various intelligence agencies assessed the credibility of the existence of a bounty program based on the available evidence. Anonymous officials who had seen the memo said that the "C.I.A. and the National Counterterrorism Center had assessed with medium confidence—meaning credibly sourced and plausible, but falling short of near certainty"—that the GRU had offered bounties. Other parts of the intelligence community, including the National Security Agency, said they "did not have information to support that conclusion at the same level", and so had lower confidence in the conclusion

And of course - on the other hand - TicToc was already under congressional investigation in 2019 - before the rally:

But nuance is lost in the fray to get Trump out of office.
 
Tik Tok users crashed his rally. He bans their platform.

There should be no US owned companies or businesses allowed in any country.

China needs to demonstrate that they are good global player and then they can be in foreign countries. I do think if there is evidence that they are being nefarious about what they are collecting on Americans, then yes we should ban Chinese companies.

And I would expect the same for US companies in foreign countries.
 
The US government was already looking into TikTok:

Thanks for linking that. I am aware of the investigation. If through investigation, the US government finds credible evidence that TikTok indeed violates US law, I would fully support punitive action against TikTok. What I am against is banning an app based on belief or speculation.
 
Thanks for linking that. I am aware of the investigation. If through investigation, the US government finds credible evidence that TikTok indeed violates US law, I would fully support punitive action against TikTok. What I am against is banning an app based on belief or speculation.
I disagree. If they are collecting and spying on Americans to gather information that they can use nefariously then ban the app.
 
China needs to demonstrate that they are good global player and then they can be in foreign countries. I do think if there is evidence that they are being nefarious about what they are collecting on Americans, then yes we should ban Chinese companies.

And I would expect the same for US companies in foreign countries.

I think there needs to be careful consideration about the burden of proof. If Chinese government accuses a US company of illegal activity, Chinese government should bear the burden of showing the evidence. It should not be the accused US company's responsibility to prove its innocence.

There also needs to be careful consideration about associating country of origin and a company. US government's spying program all over the world is well known. Nonetheless, I do not think it is fair to use that as an excuse to ban a US company.
 
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