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He stated that the "vast majority" disliked him, not the "majority" as you stated. Two different things.

Not to mention, you do remember that at the same point of Barry's presidency that the majority of Americans unapproved of him also don't you? You do know that that is a historical trend that is common with most Presidents don't you?

On this date in 2010, Obama's approval was 50%. Trump's is below 40%, and has never, not for one day of his presidency, been above 50%.
 
By your little linky, Barry's approval rating was below 50% the vast majority of his Presidency. At the same time in Trumps and Barry's Presidency, as of today, Trump has a higher approval rating.

Yeah, citing one Rasmussen poll (which has a long-standing and notorious pro-Republican house effect) and ignoring the dozens of others is pretty worthless.
 
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Yeah, citing one Rasmussen poll (which has a long-standing and notorious pro-Republican house effect) and ignoring the dozens of others is pretty worthless.

Yet you cited a poll that said Hillary was the next President of the United States along with the dozens of others you would probably cite. A better definition of worthless. :D
 
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Thanks to our antiquated system of picking presidents, it's actually possible to win the election and still have the majority of voters hate your guts.

While true, that 'antiquated system' works exactly as intended and ensures that high-population areas are not able to run roughshod over the lower population areas. It's that same system of balance that is used in the Congress (based on population) versus the Senate (where each state has an equal vote). These are just a few of the checks-and-balances that keep us on a somewhat even keel.
 
While true, that 'antiquated system' works exactly as intended and ensures that high-population areas are not able to run roughshod over the lower population areas. It's that same system of balance that is used in the Congress (based on population) versus the Senate (where each state has an equal vote). These are just a few of the checks-and-balances that keep us on a somewhat even keel.

Sorry, but giving voters in Wyoming 4 times the voting power of voters in California is not maintaining an "even keel." It's perpetuation of an outdated and discriminatory system of picking the president (and populating the Senate). In modern America, there is no reason why small states should get such hugely disproportionate power.
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Yet you cited a poll that said Hillary was the next President of the United States along with the dozens of others you would probably cite. A better definition of worthless. :D

I'm not sure which poll you're referring to, but if I cited a poll that said that Hillary would get more votes than Trump, that poll was correct.
 
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While true, that 'antiquated system' works exactly as intended and ensures that high-population areas are not able to run roughshod over the lower population areas. It's that same system of balance that is used in the Congress (based on population) versus the Senate (where each state has an equal vote). These are just a few of the checks-and-balances that keep us on a somewhat even keel.

That was never its purpose. In fact it was arguably just the opposite. Political parties, let alone two dominant parties, were not anticipated by the founders. They were concerned about too many candidates, the voting being highly fragmented, and the election of a president with a small plurality vote. They were also cognizant of the difficultly of tabulating a national vote in a large, mainly rural nation in the 18th century. This is intention for creating the system of electors. The result for today is it allows the election of a president who has received a minority popular vote. That certainly was not the intention.

It is also peculiar at least to suggest that a voter from one place ought to have more of a say in the outcome of an election than a voter from another. Try to think of another election anywhere in any state, locality, nation, or other country, where this is the case or would be tolerated. Good luck.
 
I'm not a fan of tariffs, this one included. Like others I think (hope) it's just a hardball negotiation ploy.

This. He comes at these issues as a businessman, not a politician. But sadly many people get so caught up in politics and hatred and can't think several moves ahead.
He has already negotiated some pretty substantial cost saving deals that go ignored.
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Republicans: Man, Trumps popularity numbers suck, but as long as the economy keeps growing this way he has a shot.

Trump: "Hold my beer, I'm starting a trade war."

Serious question... what are his poll numbers compared to Obama a year into presidency? Might want to see that answer before you ridicule...
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By your little linky, Barry's approval rating was below 50% the vast majority of his Presidency. At the same time in Trumps and Barry's Presidency, as of today, Trump has a higher approval rating.

My wife, who is Mexican, commented recently that everyone hates Trump. I asked why she thought that... and she pointed to all the negative coverage on TV. I pointed out to her that despite an absolutely constant barrage of negative attack on him, he still has the same approval ratings Obama had. That says a lot!
And because you don't hear a lot of people being vocal in their support of trump, doesn't mean they aren't there. Many are afraid to speak up, because Liberals unquestionably attack anyone conservative. The rest just don't want to be bothered having to waste their time defending themselves to people who's minds are beyond made up.
 
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This. He comes at these issues as a businessman, not a politician. But sadly many people get so caught up in politics and hatred and can't think several moves ahead.
He has already negotiated some pretty substantial cost saving deals that go ignored.
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Serious question... what are his poll numbers compared to Obama a year into presidency? Might want to see that answer before you ridicule...

Trump's poll numbers are 10 or more points lower than Obama's at this point. (And, in 8 years, Obama's never dropped below 40%. Trump's been below 40% consistently and has never been above 45%.)
 
Trump is a fool. The only thing this can do is hurt America. Stock market isn't exactly happy about it. Oh well. We can just declare bankruptcy, and everything will be fine... "The Trump Approach."

Don't know much about negotiations do you? I guess you start by telling her opposition exactly what they want to hear, and then hope they concede what you want... lol
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Trump's poll numbers are 10 or more points lower than Obama's at this point. (And, in 8 years, Obama's never dropped below 40%. Trump's been below 40% consistently and has never been above 45%.)

They fluctuacate, yes. At times have been higher, indeed. And if you don't think that is saying a lot given the constant nonstop barrage of negative attack he's endured since declaring candidacy, you aren't being honest. Obama was given a Nobel prize for Gods sake, for doing absolutely nothing more than being elected. He was so adored by the press, he should have had 90% approval rating.
 
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Don't know much about negotiations do you? I guess you start by telling her opposition exactly what they want to hear, and then hope they concede what you want... lol

The idea that Trump is some sort of master businessman and negotiator is a complete fiction. He's succeeded in marketing his name and brand and stiffing lenders, and that's about it. Almost everyone who dealt with him in the private sector found him to be easily manipulated and a horrible negotiator. Here's a link describing many of the horrible business deals he made.
 
Don't know much about negotiations do you? I guess you start by telling her opposition exactly what they want to

Nah, you obviously start by insulting your (potential) partners all the while making it 100% clear that your absolute clueless bout the subject at hand.....
 
The idea that Trump is some sort of master businessman and negotiator is a complete fiction. He's succeeded in marketing his name and brand and stiffing lenders, and that's about it. Almost everyone who dealt with him in the private sector found him to be easily manipulated and a horrible negotiator. Here's a link describing many of the horrible business deals he made.

If you think there is any successful businessman that has never made mistakes.... then let's end our conversation because it would be pointless. Success is a learning process, and of course nothing is guaranteed. Warren Buffet is regarded as one of the wisest businessman ever... gonna tell me he didn't make mistakes?
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Nah, you obviously start by insulting your (potential) partners all the while making it 100% clear that your absolute clueless bout the subject at hand.....
Do you really think that telling other countries (many of whom have tariffs on our products) that we are considering tariffs is "insulting" them? Wow.
Anyhow, try actually making a valid point... instead of vague nonsense and calling hin clueless. Actually add value to the conversation. Give an opinion on a best course of action, or explain why his approach is wrong. Any zealot can make those statements.
 
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If you think there is any successful businessman that has never made mistakes.... then let's end our conversation because it would be pointless. Success is a learning process, and of course nothing is guaranteed. Warren Buffet is regarded as one of the wisest businessman ever... gonna tell me he didn't make mistakes?

Of course Buffet has made mistakes. The problem with Trump is finding examples where he didn't screw it up. If you're interested in his basic business acumen, read the details about the negotiations to buy the Trump Shuttle and the Plaza Hotel. Both were cases where he ended up bidding against himself and paying far more than he should have.
 
Do you really think that telling other countries (many of whom have tariffs on our products) that we are considering tariffs is "insulting" them? Wow.

Was speaking more in general terms on how Trump starts "negotiations"....

But in this specific case I'd say his repeated claim that Europeans/Germans don't buy US cars because of some (nonexistant) high tariffs is insulting everyone's intelligence...
 
The idea that Trump is some sort of master businessman and negotiator is a complete fiction. He's succeeded in marketing his name and brand and stiffing lenders, and that's about it. Almost everyone who dealt with him in the private sector found him to be easily manipulated and a horrible negotiator. Here's a link describing many of the horrible business deals he made.

He's also pretty good at stiffing the people who work for him. The thing to understand about Trump (and hucksters throughout history) is that they build a fiction bubble around themselves that some will happily accept as plausible. That, together with a lack of any kind of ethics, are the tools that allows them to take advantage of the credulous.
 
Of course Buffet has made mistakes. The problem with Trump is finding examples where he didn't screw it up. If you're interested in his basic business acumen, read the details about the negotiations to buy the Trump Shuttle and the Plaza Hotel. Both were cases where he ended up bidding against himself and paying far more than he should have.

I have. I have been to business school.
But I get it... you are right. Absolutely everything he has ever done had been dead wrong. have a nice day.
 
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man this place is full of Russian bots
With a slogan that's meant to anger people on many sides, especially the Democrats who now get accused of being bots all the time, you are the only person here I'd suspect of being a Russian bot.
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I'd think a big tariff would make a compelling reason. And save the planet too! No more CO2 spewing cargo ships.
I meant as a regular person right now. The country could suddenly tax Chinese imports so heavily that they're pointless, but that would be unfair to American corps that have already invested heavily in setting up supply chains there, and they've got enough power to prevent that. It's a problem we needed to fix a long time ago. I can only think of non-economic ways to stop Chinese imports.
 
He's also pretty good at stiffing the people who work for him. The thing to understand about Trump (and hucksters throughout history) is that they build a fiction bubble around themselves that some will happily accept as plausible. That, together with a lack of any kind of ethics, are the tools that allows them to take advantage of the credulous.

This kind of nonsense is what is destroying political discourse in America. You say someone has business experience, and you suddenly called him "master negotiator.". It's so beyond frustrating to hear Liberals defend absolutely everything any liberal does, and rip and write such dribble like this. And it's always this vague generalization that dont need to be substantiated in any way.
 
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I have. I have been to business school.
But I get it... you are right. Absolutely everything he has ever done had been dead wrong. have a nice day.

It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome. Much like they could never admit that Obama has ever made any mistakes, they're incapable of admitting that Trump may have actually made some good decisions in his life.

You can't have a rational discussion with them but there is some enjoyment in seeing how much a politician affects their day-to-day quality of life.
 
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It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome. Much like they could never admit that Obama has ever made any mistakes, they're incapable of admitting that Trump may have actually made some good decisions in his life.

You can't have a rational discussion with them but there is some enjoyment in seeing how much a politician affects their day-to-day quality of life.
My favorite was when the stock market dipped one day, and my news was flooded with "Trump just got proven wrong" stories and friends saying the great crash has arrived, then it went back up the next day.

Oh yeah, and does the Trump-hating crowd support Syrian president Assad now that Trump has attacked his forces? Cause Al Jazeera has been complaining about that.
 
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It's called Trump Derangement Syndrome. Much like they could never admit that Obama has ever made any mistakes, they're incapable of admitting that Trump may have actually made some good decisions in his life.

You can't have a rational discussion with them but there is some enjoyment in seeing how much a politician affects their day-to-day quality of life.

Wouldn't it be nice if for a change... instead of the usual "he's a moron" response... they could actually just weigh in on an issue and give an intelligent opinion. Like: I disagree with Tariffs because...
Would be so refreshing. It's tiring hearing these guys trash people so casually without even explaining their better ideas.
 
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