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Think a trade war is a good idea?

  • Sure, why not

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    Votes: 25 83.3%

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They already are. Most countries have heavy taxes on US products coming in.
I had a co worker visit from China last year, and she bought 2 iPhones here in the USA since they are heavily taxed in China. She actually bought a few suit cases just to haul back all the things she bought here that bear heavy tariffs back in China. The same is true for many other countries. Try buying a US made motorcycle overseas or even a Chevy car.
You are confusing sales tax, and possibly what Apple decides to charge extra in other countries with tariffs. IPhones are manufactured in China and thus would not be subject to any tariffs to bring them into China.
 
One car uses about as much steel as 40,000 iPhone X. So if the iPhone X goes up one cent, a car built from imported steel would go up by about $400.
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yes we did when we elected Obama but we learned from our mistake and elected Donald Trump to clean up Obama's messes thank god we still have some smart folks in this world it is time America to become the Great Strong country it once was.
I think we can all agree that the USA have the president that they deserve.
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Have you seen their working conditions? Those factories with dormitories and nets to keep people from launching themselves out the window and killing themselves? I think there are better, more earth friendly and more people friendly ways to make iPhones and such.

At the worst time, suicide rate at Foxconn was about the same as the rate of retail employees in the USA being murdered. So Foxconn put up nets to prevent people from jumping off the roofs - and it worked. San Francisco has refused for many years to do anything, and has started work on barriers in 2017, after 1600 deaths at the Golden Gate Bridge. (And there are about 20,000 gun suicides a year in the USA, but who cares about that).

Dormitories are really nice for employees who come from the country side for a year or two and want to go back home with the largest amount of cash possible. They don't come to work in a factory for forty years - they come for a year or two and return home with huge savings. I can understand that "savings" is a very strange concept to Americans, but that's what they do in China.
 
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but a combination of collusion with Russia and pure freak luck put him over.

I feel really bad for people who watch CNN and believe everything those talking heads shout at you. Over a year of "MUH COLLUSION" and all you have is 13 people with no addresses who spent $300,000 on Facebook ads. But hey, you do you.

Take a look at the ads and see for yourself if any of them won President Donald J. Trump the election. One attacked Trump and a bunch were pro Bernie. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/russia-2016-election-facebook.html
 
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I feel really bad for people who watch CNN and believe everything those talking heads shout at you. Over a year of "MUH COLLUSION" and all you have is 13 people with no addresses who spent $300,000 on Facebook ads. But hey, you do you.

Take a look at the ads and see for yourself if any of them won President Donald J. Trump the election. One attacked Trump and a bunch were pro Bernie. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/russia-2016-election-facebook.html




Oh look another person who thinks the investigation is only about collusion.
 
Oh look another person who thinks the investigation is only about collusion.

No need to play that game. It isn't about "collusion" at all, in fact. This is simply the storyline promoted in the right wing disinformation bubble to justify not acknowledging what it is actually about, and also to rationalize supporting a person of zero moral character who the rest of us can easily see has surrounded himself with liars, criminals, and close buddies of the world's leading kleptocrat.
 
Have you seen their working conditions? Those factories with dormitories and nets to keep people from launching themselves out the window and killing themselves? I think there are better, more earth friendly and more people friendly ways to make iPhones and such.
Sure it’s dreadful. And that’s something their country has to address. Suicide is a big problem in parts of Asia. I’m sure you know about the situation with suicide in Japan for example.

It’s “we can do it all” attitude that is ruining Great Britain right now re: brexit. Fact is some countries have better natural resources, different economies, different work attitudes. Global economy is for the best and it’s continually changing….. right now we use China for manufacturing but once we used Taiwan.... japan.... Brazil.... the way this is going the US could be the worlds next factory country. Lol

The "Russian bot" moniker is almost as tiring as the "racist" moniker.
Not really no.
 
For some, I guess it's OK if other countries like China tax the hell out of our steel, yet expect us to import theirs duty free. This kind of one-sided nonsense has to end. The US should match the tariff rate off each country that we do business with. That's the best way to encourage free trade. They get the same deal they give us.

And shame on Apple for using imported steel for the Mac Pro, when they could buy locally. That's going to end,
What tariffs are you talking about? I'm buying Apple's crap at a ridiculous USD to EUR conversion rate in Germany and Apple pays an absurdly small amount of taxes from my purchases to top it off. It's just Trump being silly. He has a history of not seeing his position of privilege and complaining that the world is somehow unfair to him (see interviews from years ago).
 
The latest 15-inch MacBook Pro contains 740 grams of aluminum, for example, while the iPhone X contains 58 grams of stainless steel for its frame.

750 grams ~ 2 pounds, 58 grams ~ 2 ounces.

plan would almost certainly apply to Apple products

AFFECT, not APPLY TO.

If anyone is worried, you can stop. POTUS changes his mind every time he turns around.
 
Yet if President Obama did this, I am sure all the liberals would have been fine with it. They would never admit it publicly, however, I bet most would come up with an excuse to defend Obama's policies.

I think President Trump's plan will benefit the United States!

It is time we stop getting absolutely screwed over by other countries!

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Except judging by my quest to buy a good tea kettle, after my newest Chinese made but American brand name "stainless steel" one rusted since I got it for Christmas... and going by the product reviews on Amazon for all the replacements I'm evaluating, Chinese steel rusts when it is supposed to be "stainless".

As someone who watched my mom get 20 years from her vacuum cleaners and small appliances when they were made in the USA, to now seeing our family have to replace appliances that are barely a year old, I think China isn't doing anything better besides making stuff to clog our landfills and theirs faster. Yeah, cheaper, sure. Better, no. We've rigged all of our values and our entire economy to fill landfills faster and put more people out of work. Fair trade my azz. There's little fair about any of it. The customer gets shafted over the long term and wages go down and job opportunities dry up.

They aren't finding other things to do with their talents. Where are these great free or affordable retraining opportunities I keep hearing so much about? People whose towns and livelihoods that revovled around an industry that shuts down and goes overseas within the space of a year don't just miraculously find another job after a few night classes somewhere. They can't just pack up and move to where the jobs are. Who would want to buy a house in a dying town? How will they afford new housing in a new town or city when they can't sell their existing home? How do they go about getting a new education when they struggled through school the first time in a poor district and now are adults with families to feed?

What's the answer? Welfare? Go on to one of these towns and see what's happening to people who have nothing to do but live for a pittance from the government. Or grow up like I did where these folks resettle only to end up foreclosed on with their stuff out on the street because they can't keep up with the loss of jobs to other countries or wage competition due to illegal immigration.

I now live in a comfortable semi rural suburb in one of the wealthiest counties in the US. If I didn't have family in the steel towns and didn't grow up with kids from the coal towns, I would be easily dismissive of the struggles I've never seen firsthand and only see in newspapers and upvote your post.

Before you jump to conclusions, I did not vote for Trump. I'm still not entirely convinced he's all there. You can be a Democrat and have voted for Hilary and still see that something's broken and things aren't running the way the professors at the universities tell you they ought to. The real world is a messy hands-on lab and most especially when it comes to economics.

I can't dismiss the observation that once a product I value and respect starts getting made in China or with mostly Chinese parts, it stops being reliable and long-lived. Lol, excepting iPhones.

Again, this is my experience as a consumer. I may pay less at each purchase but over the course of five years I end up paying much more and taking more dead appliances and aquarium equipment to the dump. Even the repair shops often won't touch this junk.

Chinese products are mostly junk. Those are the facts. You’ve experienced it and so have many others. I also remember a time when stuff used to last a while. Not any longer. We should tariff the living daylights out of Chinese garbage products. Fine with me. :)
 
Interesting take. A world wide consortium of reporters working their butts off to create fake news about the President, all for little benefit to themselves.

Or it could be that among with the numerous character flaws you listed, Trump is perhaps not suitable for the most demanding job in the world?

But you know, Occam's razor and all that.

Ummmm, yeah! I guess you havent been on Yahoo lately.
 
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It’s probably been said already, but if the tariff were on raw materials and not on manufactured goods, any company in America producing goods with high steel/aluminium content would have to consider this: is it now cheaper for them to move manufacturing offshore so that the tariff is not applied to their goods.

(Granted, Apple may or may not manufacture enough products in America to consider the above. But other companies might.)
 
God he's such an idiot. To the rest of the world, please know that the vast majority of my country hates this clown and we're more embarrassed than you could possibly imagine.

It's so weird that he was elected to the Presidency considering that the "vast majority of the country hates this clown". o_O

Almost weird enough that it would seem that the statement is false.
 
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Ummmm, yeah! I guess you havent been on Yahoo lately.

Sure I have.

What argument are you trying to make?
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It's so weird that he was elected to the Presidency considering that the "vast majority of the country hates this clown". o_O

Almost weird enough that it would seem that the statement is false.

Maybe “vast majority of the world” is more accurate?

https://www.sharethefacts.co/share/dca6b853-aa0a-4743-b014-88a6b66cd8bc
 
Trump is the crowning achievement of our collective political idiocy. He blurts out his, half baked diversion claiming to be a good idea, then boasts how easy trade wars are to win. How much damage will we allow this conman to perpetrate upon the country before we sack him?

It's so weird that he was elected to the Presidency considering that the "vast majority of the country hates this clown". o_O

Almost weird enough that it would seem that the statement is false.
I think you’d be mistaken to believe that.
 
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Trump is the crowning achievement of our collective political idiocy. He blurts out his, half baked diversion claiming to be a good idea, then boasts how easy trade wars are to win. How much damage will we allow this conman to perpetrate upon the country before we sack him?


I think you’d be mistaken to believe that.

Was trump elected and is he currently the President of the United States?
 
No, it checks out. The majority of voters picked someone else. And he's less popular today than he was then. The majority dislike him.

He stated that the "vast majority" disliked him, not the "majority" as you stated. Two different things.

Not to mention, you do remember that at the same point of Barry's presidency that the majority of Americans unapproved of him also don't you? You do know that that is a historical trend that is common with most Presidents don't you?
 
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