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Aspect ratio 18.5:9 - meh! :(

You won't be able to use the whole 18.5:9 area for app display, only a 16:9 5.1" portion. The bottom .7" of the screen is rumored to be an area of contextual buttons that replaces the home button. No way Apple gives developers full control of the one part of the screen that simply must always work to take the user back to the home screen. Best case is Apple lets developers put a couple of buttons in that area for menu control or something similar, but you can bet your last dollar that sacred home button will always be there and will be completely sandboxed from any developer manipulation.
 
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I couldn't agree more. You see what Apple are saying is 'The old concept of innovation is no longer innovative. Not only is Apple innovating by not innovating they're actually changing what innovating is about. And that means not innovating for necessity sake. Because that's the mother of invention. Not innovation. So let's embrace the future. And that future is - inertia. Less is more. Less tech. More cash. And. It's the iPhone 8 guys. Yeah? Yeah!'

Yeah. No. Really. That's it.
Come back again in four months time, yeah?

Sorted.
What a witty and original response, you should write a book
 
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So apps have to be redesigned so as to move touchable elements away from the bottom center of the screen?

Since the aspect ratio is bigger, existing apps will just use the old aspect ratio and the bottom strip will be reserved for system functionality (Touch ID included). Presumably new and updated apps will be able to use the bottom strip. Very interested in how you will signal to the phone that you want to use the home button - would be annoying to have to swipe up or something every time before pressing home. Maybe the bottom strip will always be present/visible. Guess we will see.
 
Physical Home buttons are easy to find without looking at them. To accommodate, I wonder if Apple will expand the area that responds to a fingerprint, especially when the display is off. There are technologies that allow a part of the screen to feel like a real button - slightly indented or raised - but that would be quite a leap.

It's certainly possible. One thing I believe is that Apple would take the necessary steps to make sure the functionality of the home button / touch ID remain as close to what we have now as possible.
 
Since the aspect ratio is bigger, existing apps will just use the old aspect ratio and the bottom strip will be reserved for system functionality (Touch ID included). Presumably new and updated apps will be able to use the bottom strip. Very interested in how you will signal to the phone that you want to use the home button - would be annoying to have to swipe up or something every time before pressing home. Maybe the bottom strip will always be present/visible. Guess we will see.

Great...a touch bar for the iPhone. Just what I *don't* need. :rolleyes:
 
You won't be able to use the whole 18.5:9 area for app display, only a 16:9 5.1" portion. The bottom .7" of the screen is rumored to be an area of contextual buttons that replaces the home button. No way Apple gives developers full control of the one part of the screen that simply must always work to take the user back to the home screen. Best case is Apple lets developers put a couple of buttons in that area for menu control or something similar, but you can bet your last dollar that sacred home button will always be there and will be completely sandboxed from any developer manipulation.

If that's true we may find it out during WWDC.
The most obvious button I'd put in the bar as a developer would be the back button to return to previous view controller (Android works this way).
So if we'll see some changes into the navigation bar it could be a good sign the back of the screen could host the touch bar.

I wouldn't say no to that option, but they may as well keep the bar only available to the OS.
The home button would be on the middle and they could put at least two other virtual buttons there. In that case they wouldn't need to announce anything during the conference
 
The S8 does not have a revolutionary screen-embedded fingerprint sensor, so no, the iPhone 8 just does not sound like that piece of overpriced, ridicolously anti-ergonomic, form-over-function, fragile junk.


This feature has been confirmed ready for the Note 8 as well...but a fingerprint reader behind a phone screen shouldn't be seen as the main feature..funny how one feature gets the fanboys excited and they are ready to spend their 1500 dollars as usual.
 
It would have been surprising had Apple have chosen to go with the back placement. It is a very un-Apple-like thing to do given their notorious attention to detail. Maybe this is why the handset is going to be thicker, do they need an extra layer under the screen to make it work?
 
Sucks i won't be able to turn off my alarm in the morning without looking at my phone anymore :-(
 
May 2017: rumours of TouchID into the display. Loyal Apple fan: "Good, cause I never will get an iPhone with the TouchID on the back!"

September/October 2017: Keynote Tim & Co. new OLED iPhone 8; we got something amazing for you, TouchID on the back of our new OLED iPhone 8, Jony adds to it: ''Best innovation we ever created followed by a video with the famous voice of Jony...

This same loyal Apple fan as in earlier May 2017: "when do the pre orders start Tim, got my creditcard ready! come on Apple!"

I see what you've done there.

You've latched on to one thing that one person may have said at some point...

Then found yourself someone else saying the opposite thing at some point after that...

And then made the bizarre leap of logic to conclude that this somehow represents some sort of hypocrisy on a collective group of people.

Does the term 'logical fallacy' mean anything to you?
 
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May 2017: rumours of TouchID into the display. Loyal Apple fan: "Good, cause I never will get an iPhone with the TouchID on the back!"

September/October 2017: Keynote Tim & Co. new OLED iPhone 8; we got something amazing for you, TouchID on the back of our new OLED iPhone 8, Jony adds to it: ''Best innovation we ever created followed by a video with the famous voice of Jony...

This same loyal Apple fan as in earlier May 2017: "when do the pre orders start Tim, got my creditcard ready! come on Apple!"
You should use the quoting feature when you're quoting the words the "same loyal Apple fan as in earlier May 2017" says in the future. Otherwise it looks as if this particular Apple fan is a figment of your imagination.
 
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You won't be able to use the whole 18.5:9 area for app display, only a 16:9 5.1" portion. The bottom .7" of the screen is rumored to be an area of contextual buttons that replaces the home button. No way Apple gives developers full control of the one part of the screen that simply must always work to take the user back to the home screen. Best case is Apple lets developers put a couple of buttons in that area for menu control or something similar, but you can bet your last dollar that sacred home button will always be there and will be completely sandboxed from any developer manipulation.

I think I said the same in another post...

There are rumours where someone at Apple needs a kick in the arse if the rumour is true. This rumour falls into that category. The screen is 18.5 : 9 because all the devices themselves have that ratio. The screens used to be 16 : 9 because more was cut off at the top and bottom than the sides. Now almost nothing or nothing is cut off, so the ratio changes.

Of course Apple will make this part always work. It's just the old swipe up. So only swipe up will lose space for the home button. Throwing away half the advantage of the bigger screen would be beyond stupid.
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I find it humorous all the engineering feats and hand wringing going on with the iPhone 8 when we all know that in 5 years this thing will be in the landfill.
Obviously they won't. One, because Apple is very good at recycling. Two and more importantly, because most iPhone 8 will still be in working condition in five years time and people who can only afford a five year old used iPhone 8 will be happy to buy them. Three, because the rest is not in the landfill, but in some kitchen drawer.
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This feature has been confirmed ready for the Note 8 as well...but a fingerprint reader behind a phone screen shouldn't be seen as the main feature..funny how one feature gets the fanboys excited and they are ready to spend their 1500 dollars as usual.
1. You used "fanboys" which I can only take as an intentional insult. 2. There hasn't been an iPhone for US$1,000 yet, and the iPhone 8 won't go there either, so your "$1,500 as usual" is nonsense. 3. You completely don't get it. "Fingerprint reader behind phone screen" is not the feature. Borderless and therefore huge screen is the feature. "Fingerprint reader behind phone screen" means Apple can avoid the awful compromise (and the even more awful implementation) that Samsung used.
 
You should use the quoting feature when you're quoting the words the "same loyal Apple fan as in earlier May 2017" says in the future. Otherwise it looks as if this particular Apple fan is a figment of your imagination.
But the mythical loyal Apple fan can now get their iPhone as the rumor mill has put to bed the other rumors of the location of Touch ID.
 
Since the aspect ratio is bigger, existing apps will just use the old aspect ratio and the bottom strip will be reserved for system functionality (Touch ID included). Presumably new and updated apps will be able to use the bottom strip. Very interested in how you will signal to the phone that you want to use the home button - would be annoying to have to swipe up or something every time before pressing home. Maybe the bottom strip will always be present/visible. Guess we will see.
One possibility would be that the user has the option to show a strip including Touch ID permanently, but also to remove it and swipe it up when they want to. Next, apps that need a finger print for example for payments would obviously show the Touch ID button at that moment. And one option would be to have a Touch ID that shines through a little bit so you can display content but touches don't get send to the app in that small area. For apps with a bottom bar that could automatically be just above the bottom bar.

PS. No app nowadays has a fixed aspect ratio. Since iPad Pro with screen split the aspect ratio can be anything. Including a landscape mode that is higher than it is wide.
 
iPhone with a galaxy s8 type display? Yes please.
Will be the most ugliest iPhone ever. Like the Samsung Galaxy S8 is disgusting. Don't understand the need for smaller bezels, dark mode, etc...
In the old days  released a product and we all went "wow, that's what I wanted, tx Steve". And now it's "we want this and that" not knowing why we want it.
Curved display is a gimmick, nothing more.
 
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