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TSMC's A9 Chip Outperforming Samsung's in Early iPhone 6s Battery Benchmarks

Max(IT) said:
false. it was way exaggerated by media and haters, like usually happen to any apple related issue.
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Hah, I remember when my new iPhone 4 arrived and if I held it in my left hand in a standard grip hold, it would drop the signal from 4-5 bars to 1 or usually no service. Holding it any other way or with their free 'case' they provided after it was fine.
 
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D.T. said:
The phones with the Samsung sourced A9 also bend easier.
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They also stay too cold for winter use.
The TSMC chip is much hotter.

This two chip thing is laughable.

People, just use your phones, charge them when you have to charge them.
Done.
 
mwcfc1905 said:
Hi can can you tell which one you have?
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Use: System Status - activity monitor, network info, battery charge & memory manager by Techet
https://appsto.re/us/naC7x.i
Or the app the article notes.

For this^ app, in "Details" > "Device Information" > "Type" check for the corresponding alphanumeric codes:
Samsung (N66AP for 6s Plus or N71AP for 6s)
*or
TSMC (N66mAP for 6s Plus or N71mAP for 6s) chip.
 
ck2875 said:
Remember a week ago when everyone was saying they were going to return their TSMC devices for Samsung devices?
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Yes, and they are all returning their Samsungs now.

So, we should see some iPhones in the refurbished store soon. Yay.

Go guys, return as many as possible for any dumb unproven reason.
 
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Max(IT) said:
me ? Again, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of customers for about 4 years.
There are still millions of working iPhone 4 in the wild. And people don't keep a phone that continue to drop calls.
Antennagate was BS.
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You are both correct in part.

There was a way to hold the phone that could mess with the antennae a bit. Most cases, antennae would adapt, user as part of this system.

However there was a way to hold other phones at that time, and the signal was more messed up for the typical user. Antenna(e) would not adapt to the same degree; blocked stayed blocked.

Apple responded by (1) testing all competitors, which did not appreciate Steve pulling back the veil, and (2) adjusting the signal strength read out, which reflected Apple's strength typically exceeded that of competitors.

Sad to see that design leave us; truly was simple and elegant like a Minolta camera.

But progress presses onward, and the look helps increase sales volume, which supports more learning, R&D..
 
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OldSchoolMacGuy said:
Benchmarking a single phone doesn't tell you much. Click-bait content as usual.
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Precisely!

Besides these run two distinctly different Operating Systems.

I could give a flip less... my iPhone 6 Plus does it's job and that's what matters to me. I'm far too busy using it to be concerned with a few seconds or milliseconds of speed here and there.
 
acedout said:
We need to do the test on two brand new phones in factory conduction. with a sim from the same carrier and in airplane mode.

Two tests:

1) standby
2) geekbench battery test (under heavy load)

And we need to run on 1000+ devices and then the discussions can start.

Testing two devices only in varying states is not newsworthy.
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And we should see if there is CPU throttling or not, 'cause that affects the devices as well. If there would be cpu throttle, it gets more battery run time but lower performance. If there would not be cpu throttle then it gets higher performance but lower battery score. So TSMC version is 16nm and it could have been more cpu throtlle than the 14nm Samsung manufactured A9 chip.
 
Like others have said already, this can't be considered as facts at all. You need to test things like this in controlled environments, make sure everything is identical on both devices and run the test multiple times. You should even run it on multiple devices to rule out variables like varying degrees of batteries and whatnot.

All I can really gather from this is that there is no reason to believe the Samsung 14mn FinFET should be considered superior to the 16nm TSMC as it stands currently. So there is no real reason to be upset if you get one or the other.
 
Max(IT) said:
me ? Again, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of customers for about 4 years.
There are still millions of working iPhone 4 in the wild. And people don't keep a phone that continue to drop calls.
Antennagate was BS.
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Yep, and in those 4 years none of the cell companies have installed new antennas right?
Max you are tripping. Badly. People keep all sorts of goods and services that cause them major woes and financial problems all the time. I know loads of people with iPhones that moan about batteries and don’t just go out and buy a new phone whether that be the same or alternative model. Millions of people have unreliable cars and soldier on with them, etc. etc. ….What are you taking?

I saw antennagate though I will admit it happened rarely to me. But in a low signal area I could force a drop call by holding the phone wrong whilst someone with a different handset next to me on the same network, (all company phones), were fine.

Man, I can’t help but ask myself if you are a deliberate shill.
 
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you can't just say 'this chip is more powerful or more efficient'..it's the combination with the software that will create the end result. And I'm sure that after a lot of testing both will come out the same.
 
Colour me flabbergasted.

Will Apple be selling the 6s as separate Samsung and TSMC branded iPhones, I wonder? I'm sure they both have excellent battery life, but it might help consumers who want better battery life to plump for the TSMC if that has a significantly better battery life as these tests confirm.

I could see Apple selling the iPhone 7 as 'TSMC Inside' or 'Samsung Inside'. If you want battery life, go for the TSMC. If you want more power, gun for the Samsung. Either way, I'm looking forward to the iPhone 7, particularly if it retains the iPhone 5 form factor.
 
Max(IT) said:
me ? Again, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of customers for about 4 years.
There are still millions of working iPhone 4 in the wild. And people don't keep a phone that continue to drop calls.
Antennagate was BS.
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In case you haven't noticed, people tend to keep their iphones when **** goes wrong. They just adjust their usage to make it work (bumper, hold it differently, etc). Doesn't mean there is not an issue. Look at the people in the iphone forum bitching about bad screens on their 6s+, how unacceptable this is, but not a single one is wiling to return it and get their money back. They'd rather complain and "deal with it" instead of voting with their wallets. So the fact that millions kept their phone doesn't mean the antenna worked as it should.

And this will be the same no matter what happens from more findings about the chip performance. But you are willing to call Antennagate bogus, but are sure jumping all over this with very little testing. Because Samsung. Again, hypocritical.
 
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I succumbed to the whole tsmc- Samsung thing and checked my phone.

While it's true I have a Samsung chip, I've had my 6S since launch and the battery life is amazing. I had it off the charger using it for almost 24 hours (didn't have a charger handy) and it barely hit 50%.

Remarkable. Happy with it over my 5S regardless of the internals.
 
Glideslope said:
Interesting. I would have assumed the Samsung to be more efficient. If correct they obviously have more work to do on their 14nm Process. :apple:
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I wouldn't since Samsung's 14nm is a stolen tech from TSMC, and even with that, Samsung have to use mix process from 20nm in order to make 14nm chips.

No idea why people would think Samsung would have a better chip....
 
snakes- said:
Iphone 6s with not dimmed half screen, battery benchmark 3.5 hours i think i have a samsung one :( is there no option to read out cpu information or manufacturer?
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There is if you bother to read the original article properly
 
I am enjoying reading this forum so far... :D Someone mentioned 'Samsung-gate', I think it's appropriate. Here is a conspiracy theory: Samsung purposely manufactured lower performance chip to Apple so that their own phone performance won't appear too terrible when compare to iPhone.
 
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mejsric said:
Apple should go for 100% TSMC
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Still very much a rumor, but seems they are going that way:
http://m.timesunion.com/business/article/GlobalFoundries-chip-order-in-doubt-for-Apple-6512865.php

That's because TSMC has won the entire contract for Apple's next-generation A10 chips that are expected to be featured in the iPhone 7, snatching the order from GlobalFoundries and Samsung, Apple's main rival, according to the Commercial Times, which called the order "exclusive."
 
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jlp2979 said:
iPhone 6s user call to law firm: "Hi, my iPhone battery is worse than others, I want to start a class action suit."

Law Offices of Bendover & Takeit: "your evidence?"

User: "some armchair engineers on the internet said so."

Law Offices of B&T: "LOL"

User: "but I have YouTube videos showing it."

Law Offices of B&O: "LOL"

User: "I tried to return it at the Apple store and they laughed at me. This is negligent infliction of emotional distress on Apple's part!"

Law Offices of B&O: "LOL"

Is how this will go down. This is why there are so many lawyers. (fellow lawyer here). It's because of all the frivolous complaints and BS suits people want to bring. So keep 'em coming! :D
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Ok well as a business owner living in costal Texas (the plaintiff's attorney's motherland) I would bet someone is researching this now for a potential lawsuit against the biggest company by market capitalization on Earth. And, if this is proven to be a broad issue affecting millions of iPhones, this is likely not that frivolous.
 
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I stopped reading at "a reddit..." .

An ass backward way of reporting.. Mac Rumors sites "Engadget said" and Engadget sites "Reddit user's said".. so we are to create a negative mantra around the word Samsung because a report, references a report which references a users post on reddit. OMG FACT
 
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