U.S. PC Shipments Continue to Slide in 2Q13 as Apple Lags Overall Market

[4TheLoveOfTech]

It would probably be interesting to compare those growth numbers to some of Apple's earlier idevice quarters where the numbers were much smaller.

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Originally Posted by 4TheLoveOfTech

Then again... Android is outselling Apple in the Tablet Market and Crushing them in the Smartphone Market my opinion would sway more towards my original scenerio. It's tough to see 247% growth for Android, 700% growth for Windows and 65% growth for Apple knocking it down almost 20% in market share for the year.

I guess you could say the same thing for Apple with the iPhone.

Then again... You could also say the same thing with Android and their early numbers.

That thermonuclear war doesn't seem to be going the way Apple planned it.
But they haven't spent every dime of the shareholders money to do it... Yet.

Apple has all Summer to change that but nothing to put out to the market that hasn't been seen at WWDC.

It will be interesting to hear Tim Cook explain this quarter's numbers on the earnings conference call.

 

[Tech198]

I never believe any stats from Apple, because its all false, although its only true to U.S. There are other countries outside the U.S you know...

This is why Microsoft shares are much better, because their 'global'

PC sales may down, but that's only because Apple is there.... Of course, a company that resides in the U.S will have a much lower value or perspective then international.


In any case, PC sale here in Australia are higher than ever

Not to say more people aren't turning to Apple, (particularly in the graphics industry), just pointing out a "fact" that PC sales are still strong (at least internationally), and won't be taking a steep decline anytime soon.

 

[thekev]

That thermonuclear war doesn't seem to be going the way Apple planned it.
But they haven't spent every dime of the shareholders money to do it... Yet.

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I could have told you that back when it started. I'm not emotionally tied to the brand. I don't upgrade things constantly. I started using macs simply because at the time I worked in a very Mac heavy industry.

 

[linuxcooldude]

I can name of manufacturer of smartphones that has more market share than Apple in the USA.

But yet you still avoid my question, considering you are saying Android is outselling Apple in tablets.

You do realize you are just proving my point that it doesn't take just one vendor to take Global Market Share.

By making Android the only thing these manufactures have in common does not make it a global market share.

Apple stands alone in a World of PC's that are Microsoft Windows domination.

When Jobs came back to Apple in the 90's he said we need to get rid of this notion "That for Apple to win, Microsoft has to lose"

We are seeing this quite clearly as PC sales are declining for years, Windows 8 has it problems, Its launch into its own tablet market are also lackluster.

Microsofts dominance on the PC does not or will not matter.

Apple stands alone in a World of Mobile devices that are Android's domination.

Again, Androids perceived dominance by adding up all the hundreds of different manufactures does not matter when it comes to profits.

Thats where Apple dominates over Android "Profits"

Ask Google, ( Maker of Android of course ) how much profits its made on Android. In fact Google makes more profit on iOS then it does on Android.

 

[j4zb4]

Desktops are always cheaper than laptops.

shhhh... Don't break their bubble with facts... Facts are for losers...

 

[NoneOfYourB]

Things in life go in a circle, we were lucky to experience a time when computing enabled us to do and create things. Unfortunately we are now in reverse, we are just being made consumers again.

???
What kind of things could you create some time ago that you cannot now?
What would stop you? Who makes you a consumer?

 

[gnasher729]

Not really. Again, proprietary hardware (which apple has had for years btw and has seen increases in sales in the past beyond that) doesn't really affect overall market share. Most people just aren't gonna go thru upgrading batteries, RAM, hdd, etc. They buy a new computer when theirs starts to lag behind certain standards.

I have a family member who is desperate because his charger is broken and he can't afford a new laptop. When I suggested to buy a charger from eBay he was completely dumbfounded. That's not even repairing the laptop, just replacing an outside part. And it never occurred to him.

 

[eichwulf]

So, the market shrunk by 1% and it's the end of the PC? I'm guessing it will continue to shrink as now you don't have to buy a new PC every year like in the 90's to stay relevant. Another reason is consumers are more reluctant to buy new laptops with Windows 8 preinstalled on them.

 

[ikir]

since apple no longer allows upgrades of their machines and the parts they use inside are more or less bottom of the barrel (cheap ram, slow ssds, nics that dont support jumbo frames, some laptops dont even have lan anymore which is useless for large file transfers, no wifi AC until just now)

i got a lenovo y580 instead, for half the price of the retina macbook ($1279) i got the following

Intel i7 3630
15.6" 1920x1080 with 97% color gamut
16GB Corsair vengeance (upgraded)
512GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD (one of the fastest ssds you can buy)
256GB Samsung mSATA (for OS)
Bluray burner (optional HDD bracket option for tripple SSDs)
nVidia GTX660M 2GB ram
Intel 6205 2x2 AGN (but this laptop allows me to upgrade to any wifi card i want, so once intel comes out with an AC card i can just upgrade it for not much more than $20, i dont have to buy a whole new laptop)

i just dont see the point of buying something twice the price with half the speed and half the connectivity.

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thats strange, they dont make computers at all, Hon hai makes all the computers, the same company that makes HP's computers (more of their business line than consumer).

You just trolling or blind. Apple makes they computer not the company which assemble it or create chips. If you don't agree you are just very ignorant about how much work is prototyping, engineering, designing, testing, choosing components, makes software and all the rest.
The stupid PC you say didn't have a lot of thing compared to MacBook Pro:
retina is 2800x1800, you get 2 thunderbolt and for a pro user they are really usefull and it will be a MUST soon, also they are very handy for expandibility for average users, MacBook Pro is slimmer and lighter, you have integration with a great OS which is OS X, you have multitouch trackpad, you also have a unibody enclosure with is awesome both for drop resistance and design.
So stop saying this is better or the other better, especially a crap notebook with a optical drive in 2013!!!! It is simply crap. Like you post. Are you so blind to think that? Ok go to other forums and just go out and have fun, life is great, stop whining on Macrumors.com

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If you think APPLE computers spec wise are the best computers ever made you must be high on that cannabis.

He is not saying that, you are misquoting. Maybe it is too much for you to read and understand the sentence.

 

[foobarbaz]

i got a lenovo y580 instead, for half the price of the retina macbook ($1279) i got the following

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i just dont see the point of buying something twice the price with half the speed and half the connectivity.

And half the size, half the weight, and twice the pixels. I personally do see the point in that.

Of course, like you, most people don't care enough about that to spend the extra money. But they always have. That's not new. That's why Apple doesn't have 100% market share and Macs are a profitable niche.

Quoting cheaper laptops therefor fails to explain a slip in market share. In fact, if that was the reason, why has it in the last years grown so significantly in the first place?

Now, obviously, Gartner doesn't count iPads. I wonder if they do count some W8 tablets or convertibles.

 

[roadbloc]

If you think APPLE computers spec wise are the best computers ever made you must be high on that cannabis.

I'm high on cannabis. And I don't think that. It must be something stronger.

 

[vmachiel]

I agree with the comments asking for more options when buy a mac. I know it's easier to keep a supply line with low inventory this way but without customization after the purchase, at least give it to us before we buy.

Also, I know you want the whole world to go iPad but that is just not going to work if you need to get a lot of work done.

 

[loon3y]

Apple doesn't sell the most computers. They make the best computers though. Period. The best things in life aren't cheap.

i can put together a much powerful computer than any mac out there

what are you talking about?

newegg bro

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You just trolling or blind. Apple makes they computer not the company which assemble it or create chips. If you don't agree you are just very ignorant about how much work is prototyping, engineering, designing, testing, choosing components, makes software and all the rest.
The stupid PC you say didn't have a lot of thing compared to MacBook Pro:
retina is 2800x1800, you get 2 thunderbolt and for a pro user they are really usefull and it will be a MUST soon, also they are very handy for expandibility for average users, MacBook Pro is slimmer and lighter, you have integration with a great OS which is OS X, you have multitouch trackpad, you also have a unibody enclosure with is awesome both for drop resistance and design.
So stop saying this is better or the other better, especially a crap notebook with a optical drive in 2013!!!! It is simply crap. Like you post. Are you so blind to think that? Ok go to other forums and just go out and have fun, life is great, stop whining on Macrumors.com

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He is not saying that, you are misquoting. Maybe it is too much for you to read and understand the sentence.

thunderbolt? lol what happened to firewire being the hot new thing that was going to replace USB 2.0?


i dont see it happening, its just too expensive, i rather just get a usb 3.0 external than any thunderbolt external costing twice as much

 

[dragje]

i dont see it happening, its just too expensive, i rather just get a usb 3.0 external than any thunderbolt external costing twice as much

That's because you don't need the speed. If I would love to play Pong or PacMac I wouldn't buy a Mac Pro for instance, a ZX Spectrum 48K will do the job. But if you're going to work with 4K resolution Film materials and need quick access to several files then USB is pain in the *beep* to put it mildly.

That aside, Thunderbolt provides so much more then USB 3. It's not only extreme faster then USB 3.0 but it also provides additional hardware with power and it doesn't slow down feedback transmissions. So you can drop large files while importing large files at the same moment. It's heaven for studio film producers.
On top of that you can continuously add new hardware on top of the previous Thunderbolt hardware. With USB your slots will be filled pretty fast and then you need to buy extra hardware just to enable more ports.

USB 3.0 is nice, but it's nothing compared to what Thunderbolt is capable of.

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i can put together a much powerful computer than any mac out there

what are you talking about?

That I believe. It's not that hard by the way.

 

[CJM]

There is an economic downturn as well. Apple has a reputation for being expensive, no doubt that comes into play here.

That, and I think the opinion of the new iMac is that it's over-designed, whilst the classic MBP just isn't very special any more.

(and obviously everyone is buying tablets, etc.)

Your mum and dad, who used to buy Dells and HPs, no longer need them. PC buyers are the enthusiasts and pros, who know better and purchase from independent system builders.

 

[malman89]

since apple no longer allows upgrades of their machines and the parts they use inside are more or less bottom of the barrel (cheap ram, slow ssds, nics that dont support jumbo frames, some laptops dont even have lan anymore which is useless for large file transfers, no wifi AC until just now)

i got a lenovo y580 instead, for half the price of the retina macbook ($1279) i got the following

Intel i7 3630
15.6" 1920x1080 with 97% color gamut
16GB Corsair vengeance (upgraded)
512GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD (one of the fastest ssds you can buy)
256GB Samsung mSATA (for OS)
Bluray burner (optional HDD bracket option for tripple SSDs)
nVidia GTX660M 2GB ram
Intel 6205 2x2 AGN (but this laptop allows me to upgrade to any wifi card i want, so once intel comes out with an AC card i can just upgrade it for not much more than $20, i dont have to buy a whole new laptop)

i just dont see the point of buying something twice the price with half the speed and half the connectivity.

Lenovo has had some great deals lately. Combined with the fact that they were/are always a reliable OEM to purchase from and have been gaining steam in recent quarters, I'm not too surprised at this. I've been looking at a few Lenovo models myself to replace my aging MB.

It'll probably hold up for another quarter as the Ivy Bridge sales carry on, but there will probably be a dip in growth (although still positive) in Q3.

 

[dragje]

You just trolling or blind. Apple makes they computer not the company which assemble it or create chips. If you don't agree you are just very ignorant about how much work is prototyping, engineering, designing, testing, choosing components, makes software and all the rest.
The stupid PC you say didn't have a lot of thing compared to MacBook Pro:
retina is 2800x1800, you get 2 thunderbolt and for a pro user they are really usefull and it will be a MUST soon, also they are very handy for expandibility for average users, MacBook Pro is slimmer and lighter, you have integration with a great OS which is OS X, you have multitouch trackpad, you also have a unibody enclosure with is awesome both for drop resistance and design.
So stop saying this is better or the other better, especially a crap notebook with a optical drive in 2013!!!! It is simply crap. Like you post. Are you so blind to think that? Ok go to other forums and just go out and have fun, life is great, stop whining on Macrumors.com

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Just relax a bit ikir, he's not 'attacking' Apple in a personal way, he just comes up with stats what he can buy for the money where it comes to Apple he will not have all of that for that prize.

Let's not start an apple versus pc polemic kind of discussion ok? It's true you can build faster PC and even run Mac OSX on it for way less money then what Apple is asking for it. Ever heard of Hackintosh computers? Just google for the term, you'll soon find links towards websites that will explain in detail how to build massive fast PC's running Native Mac OSX on it.

It's well known that Apple is very expensive but needless to say you, of course, get a nice looking device in return for it; both hardware and design. But it's also true you can build the same for less... but that requires a bit of a Nerdy background to fully understand how to do this...

So both statements, buying a Mac and having a great device none the less and building one computer yourself that outruns mac's for less money are true...

 

[dragje]

There is an economic downturn as well. Apple has a reputation for being expensive, no doubt that comes into play here.

No reputation mate, they ARE expensive

That, and I think the opinion of the new iMac is that it's over-designed, whilst the classic MBP just isn't very special any more.

(and obviously everyone is buying tablets, etc.)

Your mum and dad, who used to buy Dells and HPs, no longer need them. PC buyers are the enthusiasts and pros, who know better and purchase from independent system builders.

Well, for me the iMac is over designed. I don't care about thin and good looking at all. I care about power and the option to add third party hardware to a machine so I can use it for at least 4 years. For my work I need power and simply that possibility to add in new hardware when it comes out. With those iMac's I'll be a sitting duck that has to deal with the fact that everything will go slower... so that's a simple nono for me...

Then the new Mac Pro. It looks awesome but again, I don't care about design. I care about convenience. And truth need to be told, allthough the new mac pro looks nice the OLD Mac Pro where I'm currently working on looks nicer! Just compare it by clicking on the link below. Doesn't need any explanation....

http://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/macproexpansion.jpg

So, first my reaction was "wow", not my reaction is: hm....

First I was able to get rid of most of the extended software in a need looking metal closet... now I start of with a tine nice looking device and need to figure out how to store all the external hardware that I also need....


I hoped for a rack model mac pro which would be big enough and so well designed from within (!) so it would be possible to install lot's of stuff and connect it under my working table so even the cleaner could simply used the vacuum cleaner under my desk without having to worry about all the external devices....

But the chances for me buying the new mac pro are still high tough.

But this nuance needed to be told though.... Apple showed a brand new wheel of a brand new car model, but it only showed the wheel in close up when announcing the new Mac Pro, not what the whole package would look like for pro's dealing with serious high-end work

 

[tony3d]

Apple needs to add back the option to Upgrade/Replace components . Like Ram and the HDD/SDD back to its lines , thats the reason ill be going back to a PC for my new desktop at the end of the year,

And the iPad has removed the need for me to use a laptop at all

Your absolutely right. Just look how they butchered the Mac Pro.

 

[J.acks]

Ahahahahahahahahah-

Ahahahahahahahahahah----

ive yet to hear of an apple product since ooo at least 2006 onwards that hasn't had issues from launch... Screen ghosting on the RMPs for example... (rest of list is Time Capsules 1st gen failing PSUs, Yellowing Screens on i-Devices, GPU failures in MBPs, Screens sucking in dust on iMacs, antenna gate, case cracking on iphone 3 and 3gs, ongoing issues with WiFi every generation , iPhone 5 "chipping of paint", lots of HDD issues)

Never ever buy 1 1st gen apple refresh, they use 1st gen purchasers as beta testers because their quality control and product testing SUCKS due to the attempt at product launch "secrecy"

Id like to see them release a product, which , from day one, lasts 18months without a trip back to apple for a fix

Love the products after they get it right for the Rev 2 boards

Well.. That's the reason why Apple has such a high rating for customer service. The devices is faulty, you bring them to Apple for service. You give them thumbs up. Voila! Like magic.

 

[ihuman:D]

As was stated on 9to5 Mac, other companies count their windoze tablets in their PC number, Apple's are not.

Windows 8 = OS X
Windows RT = iOS

Any hardware that runs full x86 Windows 8 is considered a PC, therefore included, while any hardware that runs Windows RT, which is ARM only, are considered tablets, therefore not included.

 

[Nightarchaon]

Your absolutely right. Just look how they butchered the Mac Pro.

R2D2s little brother you mean lol... worst example of a PRO machine ive ever seen,

 

[ihuman:D]

R2D2s little brother you mean lol... worst example of a PRO machine ive ever seen,

I'd say more of a rubbish bin myself, which it really is to Pro users...

 

[Nightarchaon]

Well.. That's the reason why Apple has such a high rating for customer service. The devices is faulty, you bring them to Apple for service. You give them thumbs up. Voila! Like magic.

Yeah, but they shouldn't have the failure rate they do have, if for example, they tested a product completely before launching it, however apple seems to go from design, to production to launch in a chronically small window, that precludes final revision testing, in order to keep that so called "secrecy" about products (Secrecy this very site proves doesn't exist anyway)

Its like Ford or Boing having a 90% crash rate on a new car or plane, but its ok, they took that data and fixed it releasing a Rev2 model and offered you a new car or the airline a new plane..

Apples slogan should be, "It just works, 2nd or 3rd try"

 

[Mac21ND]

My 2008 iMac is still running strong. I guess if I had a PC, I would have replaced it long ago.

Darn you Apple and your quality!!!