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Completely agreed on all points.

A very small percentage of people will be coming from a 11 Pro to the 12 series.

I think the 12 series will be a great upgrade for those coming from Xr/Xs/Xs Max and older, it’s a nice jump in fact, the cameras alone are far more versatile.

Something that I loved when coming from my Xs Max to my 11 Pro Max was the Wide Angle Camera, that alone transformed the experience of iPhone photography, and Night Mode took it to a new level to.

Not true, Every IUP person will at a minimum.
 
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For the record, my weekend use is showing the battery life to be functionally the same as the 11 pro. I was ending both days at around 50-60%. For weekdays it will be even better. I generally charge in the car (35 minute both ways) and on my last phone, that was enough to keep it going for the week without any other charging really. On the weekends I drop it on a wireless charger. For what its worth, I usually have about 3-4 hours of screen time per day, so not a hugely heavy user.
 
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Ok so if you just browse the web then you're only using 5% of the phone's functionality. Many people use video, do some gaming, photos, etc. Yes, if you only check social media once an hour I'm sure you'll be fine but then again you don't need an iPhone for that.
Unless you are a vlogger you won’t be using video that much throughout a day where it would kill the battery. Most people won’t be gaming all day either. The average user certainly likely works for a living where sitting on their phone all day isn’t realistic for normal usage.
 
I used my iPhone 12 Pro from 7am to 7pm draining the battery almost completely. My day included about 4 hours of driving with navigation and over 30 minutes of taking photos and videos on site. When looking at the battery graph in settings, the photo/video session had drained the battery very quickly. I believe it's the combination of LIDAR, camera processing and bright HDR screen that taxes the battery.

Coming from an iPhone X the battery life is amazing.

Perfect, im coming from an iPhone X with 80% capacity so this sound promising
 
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There's so much cognitive dissonance in these replies. Apple can never do any wrong so shoot the messenger. This post above is not aggressive use and you can see the massive degradation in battery performance. Buying $1000 for a new phone should be an UPGRADE. Not just sharp edges and a lousy, smaller battery. I mean this is ridiculous but the defense of Apple at all costs is why they are allowed to continue doing this to us loyal buyers.

Ok so if you just browse the web then you're only using 5% of the phone's functionality. Many people use video, do some gaming, photos, etc. Yes, if you only check social media once an hour I'm sure you'll be fine but then again you don't need an iPhone for that.

You presented a singular argument about a downgrade in battery performance and received a like-kind reply.

Your rebuttal was then an admonishment for defending Apple globally.

No.

There's a marked difference between your experience using the device and a site utilizing content to drive engagement. To be clear, I believe there's real value in instrumented testing. However, there are NO benchmarks for own my experience.

Pertaining to my use, again, assumptions are being made. I've averaged a good amount of on-screen time over the weekend. Even in that time, the battery hasn't nearly depleted. No, I'm not doing processor intensive things, but again YMMV.
 

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So basically everyone who is defending the 2 hours lesser battery is coming from an X or earlier model.
 
You presented a singular argument about a downgrade in battery performance and received a like-kind reply.

Your rebuttal was then an admonishment for defending Apple globally.

No.

There's a marked difference between your experience using the device and a site utilizing content to drive engagement. To be clear, I believe there's real value and instrumented testing. However, there are NO benchmarks for own my experience.

Pertaining to my use, again, assumptions are being made. I've averaged a good amount of on-screen time over the weekend. Even in that time, the battery hasn't nearly depleted. No, I'm not doing processor intensive things, but again YMMV.
Well I am glad at least you appreciate tests. Testing aside, the battery is smaller than what is in the 11. So while your usage is such that you would be fine with a battery half the size, many need to be sure they know what they are buying. If you have kids who use your phone while you are out or in the car, an hour of gaming or YT video will drain 20-30% of the battery. So in a smaller battery, this can be a material difference.

As for my global admonishment, I am sure if tests showed battery improvement we'd be seeing heaps of praise in the threads. Instead, we see defenses such has "I only use it for XYZ so who cares".
 
So basically everyone who is defending the 2 hours lesser battery is coming from an X or earlier model.
I'm coming from an 11 Pro Max and am still evaluating if the battery performance and lesser camera is worth the form factor. Definitely going to try out the 12 Pro Max when it comes out too.

That being said, I get 6.5 hours screen on time with 25% left at the end of the day (9AM - 11:30PM). Of course it's no Pro Max, but it's not THAT bad. I already expected less battery life coming from the Pro Max.
 
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Unless you are a vlogger you won’t be using video that much throughout a day where it would kill the battery. Most people won’t be gaming all day either. The average user certainly likely works for a living where sitting on their phone all day isn’t realistic for normal usage.
I know a few folks with young children that would give some vloggers a run for their money in photography/videography use on an iPhone.
 
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A battery life test by Arun Maini of the YouTube channel Mrwhosetheboss found that the iPhone 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max had significant leads in battery runtimes compared to the newer iPhone 12 and 12 Pro. The iPhone 12 and 12 Pro have a 2,815 mAh battery, which is not only lower in terms of actual capacity than the previous generation but also powers larger and higher resolution displays leading to lower runtimes.


First time a new phone had a much worse battery experience than its predecessor. Apple wisely wanted to sell as many of these as possible before the Max is released which offers decent battery life. 6 hours of battery life is a joke and that assumes you are not on 5G much.
You're going to listen to a YouTuber and make a determination without your own useage style? C'mon man....
 
Got mine on the morning of release day and have yet to see it below 30%. This is my usage from yesterday and it was a heavy usage day for me:

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I just don’t understand the point of these threads unless they are indeed started by people being paid by competitors.
Gonna go with OP can’t afford the phone or is jealous that they don’t have it so they have to convince themselves of stuff like this.
 
The only comparison is 11 to 12. And if the battery is worse that is a significant issue especially at the MAX level.
So ignore the needs or opinions of everyone that doesn't own an iPhone 11....riiiiight.

There's so much cognitive dissonance in these replies. Apple can never do any wrong so shoot the messenger. This post above is not aggressive use and you can see the massive degradation in battery performance. Buying $1000 for a new phone should be an UPGRADE. Not just sharp edges and a lousy, smaller battery. I mean this is ridiculous but the defense of Apple at all costs is why they are allowed to continue doing this to us loyal buyers.
The cognitive dissonance lies with thinking that everyone either loves Apple without question or must be pissed off at Apple for not doing things exactly the way they think is right.

A week? It is lasting 6 hours. Would be nice to at least cover an average work day with commuting time.
I don't know about you, but if I used my iPhone for an entire 8 hour work day, I'd likely lose my job. Most people don't need the screen on and running some app during the entire work day. And those that do (I'm curious what job....Apple store staff?) likely have it plugged in or swap out/charge often.


This thread reads like a stupid political argument from the start of it's exagerrated click-baity title and right into the comments.

"You're wrong and not allowed to have an opinion because <fill in false statement about battery life> and I can't believe you ignore the issue because <fill in a false statement about the other person's stance on the subject> and you're wrong about this because <fill in straw man argument the other commenter never made>.

The average person....you know, the one's not here on MR picking over every little detail....might desire to have a longer battery than the iPhone 11, but maybe they are ok with it because the battery life is still an improvement over what they have today and actually still suits there needs.

So no, we are not just saying Apple can do no wrong....but we are not "single issue" iPhone buyers and we can actually evaluate what's more important to us and form our own opinions....which have value whether you think so or not.
 
Got mine on the morning of release day and have yet to see it below 30%. This is my usage from yesterday and it was a heavy usage day for me:

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I just don’t understand the point of these threads unless they are indeed started by people being paid by competitors.

Sure seems that way to me.

I'm using my phone HEAVILY today and I'm at 91% right now (10:47am) with 3 hours and 18m of screen on. I've had countless calls, took several videos, watched YouTube in the morning, etc...

Coming from the 11 Pro Max --- I don't get all this complaining about battery life. I love the size of this phone and my battery life does not seem as bad as everyone was making it out to be...

Sure gets a lot of attention.
 
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I'm coming from an 11 Pro Max and am still evaluating if the battery performance and lesser camera is worth the form factor. Definitely going to try out the 12 Pro Max when it comes out too.

That being said, I get 6.5 hours screen on time with 25% left at the end of the day (9AM - 11:30PM). Of course it's no Pro Max, but it's not THAT bad. I already expected less battery life coming from the Pro Max.
what's your usage? just casual browsing, email etc?
 
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