Vega Mackbook Benchmarks

[AvengerNX08]

Can someone who has already gotten the VEGA series MBP send his/her official Bootcamp GPU drivers to the guy who runs bootcampdrivers.com ?

He doesn’t have the new MBP himself, so he needs our help to get the official Bootcamp drivers. He can then offer us way better drivers with all the latest tweaks!

 

[koyoot]

Can someone who has already gotten the VEGA series MBP send his/her official Bootcamp GPU drivers to the guy who runs bootcampdrivers.com ?

He doesn’t have the new MBP himself, so he needs our help to get the official Bootcamp drivers. He can then offer us way better drivers with all the latest tweaks!

You do not have to have MBP to download the drivers. You can do it on your own, even under macOS.

Currently, latest version is in Beta:
https://videocardz.com/driver/amd-radeon-adrenalin-edition-18-11-2-beta

 

[AvengerNX08]

You do not have to have MBP to download the drivers. You can do it on your own, even under macOS.

Currently, latest version is in Beta:
https://videocardz.com/driver/amd-radeon-adrenalin-edition-18-11-2-beta

The drivers you linked are the newest official AMD drivers, but I dont think you can just install these on the MBP. If you could, bootcampdrivers.com would no longer be required. The owner of that website needs the official Bootcamp drivers, so he can create up to date (semi) official AMD drivers that you can actually install on the MBP. The Bootcamp drivers themselves are (usually) quite outdated and lack several optimizations that the ones on bootcampdrivers.com have.

 

[Trebuin]

The drivers you linked are the newest official AMD drivers, but I dont think you can just install these on the MBP. If you could, bootcampdrivers.com would no longer be required. The owner of that website needs the official Bootcamp drivers, so he can create up to date (semi) official AMD drivers that you can actually install on the MBP. The Bootcamp drivers themselves are (usually) quite outdated and lack several optimizations that the ones on bootcampdrivers.com have.

Correct. That developer can take the code behind Apple's Bootcamp drivers & create a mod for the official drivers. That's why he needs the apple drivers.

 

[Ma2k5]

That’s a really good improvement - even more so it appears to be at native res and limited to <100W.

 

[MandiMac]

Umm no. You want VSYNC off to get the most out of your hardware.

You mean rendering more frames per second than your monitor actually can display?
You mean in doing so, producing more unnecessary heat and strain on every component in your computer?
You mean introducing screen tearing which does not look nice at all?
Then yes - you are right, you are „getting the most out of your hardware“.

 

[dan9700]

Still old amd drivers the drivers are what make it slower

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

You mean rendering more frames per second than your monitor actually can display?
You mean in doing so, producing more unnecessary heat and strain on every component in your computer?
You mean introducing screen tearing which does not look nice at all?
Then yes - you are right, you are „getting the most out of your hardware“.

On my gaming PC the screen tears with VSYNC ON. Almost every game does it and very poor performance. Turning VSYNC off solves the problem. Some displays work different than others. No idea about macOS though.

 

[cube]

What you really need is Adaptive Sync.

 

[AvengerNX08]

Still old amd drivers the drivers are what make it slower

Well, so many people posting on here, who already received their Vega variant. All it takes is one of these to send over their Bootcamp drivers and it may only be a matter of hours until we get better performance!

Here is what the owner of the site said:

matd2100: Vega 16&20 support is not available yet. please send me the official apple bootcamp drivers so I can map the card to the official drivers

Link: www.bootcampdrivers.com

 

[leman]

What you really need is Adaptive Sync.

Or game developers tracking the frame time, adjusting the animation accordingly and synchronising the draw results with display refresh. But who is even bothering to do this kind of stuff... and this is something that APIs systematically neglect, except Metal.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

You mean rendering more frames per second than your monitor actually can display?
You mean in doing so, producing more unnecessary heat and strain on every component in your computer?
You mean introducing screen tearing which does not look nice at all?
Then yes - you are right, you are „getting the most out of your hardware“.

Maybe you need to actually do some research before you post this non-sense again.

 

[Thysanoptera]

On my gaming PC the screen tears with VSYNC ON. Almost every game does it and very poor performance. Turning VSYNC off solves the problem. Some displays work different than others. No idea about macOS though.

That happens if your frame rate drops below monitor refresh rate, vsync makes it worse then, a lot. What I do, is modify the game settings to get consistent 60 FPS+ and then turn Vsync on, this results in the best experience, no jitter or screen tearing, silky smooth, even if it’s at the cost of some eye candy.

 

[leman]

Maybe you need to actually do some research before you post this non-sense again.

Sorry, but what @MandiMac said was completely correct. I say this as a person who is familiar with 3D programming. Vsync prevents tearing and disabling it if your hardware can draw faster than the display can refresh it will only waste energy. The only reason to disable vsync is if your hardware is drawing below the refresh rate since waiting for the display could introduce further delays. Of course, this is all preventible if the frames are timed correctly by the software. But as I said above, barely any game developer bothers to do that.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Sorry, but what @MandiMac said was completely correct. I say this as a person who is familiar with 3D programming. Vsync prevents tearing and disabling it if your hardware can draw faster than the display can refresh it will only waste energy. The only reason to disable vsync is if your hardware is drawing below the refresh rate since waiting for the display could introduce further delays. Of course, this is all preventible if the frames are timed correctly by the software. But as I said above, barely any game developer bothers to do that.

https://www.maketecheasier.com/what-is-vsync/

This details enough for those to decide. If you have a powerful gaming system, with gsync and 144-165hz monitor, you want it off. If the MBP screen can't handle the faster frames over 60hz, you can turn it on, but then it can be bad for game play with the delayed reactions of stuff. If you don't have screen tearing with it off, leave it off.

 

[AHDuke99]

Anyone ever ordered on Adorama? I may take advantage of the deal, but it seems to say they won’t accept returns once I open the box.

“

Following items cannot be returned once opened

Software, Film, Paper, DVDs, Bulbs, flash tubes, Batteries, Ink cartridges, Notebooks, Netbooks, Tablets, iPads and Computers, Memory cards, any item which has been removed from its "blister-pack".“

 

[BeatCrazy]

Anyone ever ordered on Adorama? I may take advantage of the deal, but it seems to say they won’t accept returns once I open the box.

“

Following items cannot be returned once opened

Software, Film, Paper, DVDs, Bulbs, flash tubes, Batteries, Ink cartridges, Notebooks, Netbooks, Tablets, iPads and Computers, Memory cards, any item which has been removed from its "blister-pack".“

I ordered a 2018 13" MBP from Adorama on Wednesday, arrived yesterday in Texas - free shipping via Shoprunner.

Adorama has always been great to me. I've probably ordered 5 Macs from them. Never had a reason/need to return anything once opened.

 

[AHDuke99]

I ordered a 2018 13" MBP from Adorama on Wednesday, arrived yesterday in Texas - free shipping via Shoprunner.

Adorama has always been great to me. I've probably ordered 5 Macs from them. Never had a reason/need to return anything once opened.

I guess it’s make about if the performance isn’t what I expected, I’d love the option to return it. May not need it but sounds like they won’t take it back if opened at all.

 

[BeatCrazy]

I guess it’s make about if the performance isn’t what I expected, I’d love the option to return it. May not need it but sounds like they won’t take it back if opened at all.

I think that's a "benefit" that you pay a premium (really, MSRP) that you'd need to pay for via ordering from Apple directly. In other words, if there's some subjective things you don't like, you can't have the flexibility of normal Apple returns policy coupled with several hundred dollar savings of Adorama, etc.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Anyone ever ordered on Adorama? I may take advantage of the deal, but it seems to say they won’t accept returns once I open the box.

“

Following items cannot be returned once opened

Software, Film, Paper, DVDs, Bulbs, flash tubes, Batteries, Ink cartridges, Notebooks, Netbooks, Tablets, iPads and Computers, Memory cards, any item which has been removed from its "blister-pack".“

In the reviews, it seems they do take returns, but it depends on the case for laptops.

 

[AHDuke99]

In the reviews, it seems they do take returns, but it depends on the case for laptops.

Their terms seem unclear. It says they want you to be happy with the merchandise but then lists almost everything as ineligible if it’s opened.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Their terms seem unclear. It says they want you to be happy with the merchandise but then lists almost everything as ineligible if it’s opened.

Yeah, and in the reviews it says several exchanged their macbooks due to something faulty and had no issues.

 

[MandiMac]

https://www.maketecheasier.com/what-is-vsync/

This details enough for those to decide. If you have a powerful gaming system, with gsync and 144-165hz monitor, you want it off. If the MBP screen can't handle the faster frames over 60hz, you can turn it on, but then it can be bad for game play with the delayed reactions of stuff. If you don't have screen tearing with it off, leave it off.

About being bad for gameplay and "delayed reactions of stuff" - you mean "input lag": This amounts to 16 milliseconds when playing at 60 frames per second. So you really think you would notice this when you're not playing twitchy FPS games at an ESL level? Nice
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That happens if your frame rate drops below monitor refresh rate, vsync makes it worse then, a lot. What I do, is modify the game settings to get consistent 60 FPS+ and then turn Vsync on, this results in the best experience, no jitter or screen tearing, silky smooth, even if it’s at the cost of some eye candy.

Well if you‘re activating VSync while not reaching 60 fps, it will cap at 30 fps. Still smooth without screen tearing, but noticable to a trained eye.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

About being bad for gameplay and "delayed reactions of stuff" - you mean "input lag": This amounts to 16 milliseconds when playing at 60 frames per second. So you really think you would notice this when you're not playing twitchy FPS games at an ESL level? Nice
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Well if you‘re activating VSync while not reaching 60 fps, it will cap at 30 fps. Still smooth without screen tearing, but noticable to a trained eye.

No, right from the article:

"Because VSync makes frames wait for when the monitor is ready, this can cause problems. You may find that your inputs, such as key-presses and mouse clicks, are slightly delayed. This can be fatal in games that require reflex and snap reactions to play. There are some technologies developed for VSync to help reduce this lag, but it’s worth keeping in mind if you enable VSync and notice your actions are less responsive than before."

 

[AHDuke99]

Yeah, and in the reviews it says several exchanged their macbooks due to something faulty and had no issues.

I saw that. I’m more concerned that the Vega may not live up to what I need and I’ll have to exchange. If I order from Adorama though I’ll save $500 versus ordering from Apple