Vega Mackbook Benchmarks

[Ma2k5]

That is surprising to me, then vega is very efficient at lower clock speeds and voltages!

RX560 is a rebadged 3 year old card, so you’d hope so.
[doublepost=1542964280][/doublepost]Native gaming performance difference. Not bad considering the resolution.
Source: Dave Lee @ Youtube

 

[Macintoshrumors]

Meh. Mildly disappointing.

 

[koyoot]

Only Vega 16/20 for desktop will be 7nm. Then AMD is putting all resources into Navi 7nm.

Nope. No Vega 16/20 on desktop will be 7 nm, unless you talk about Design Vega 20, with 64 CU's(4096 GCN cores) 32 GB HBM 2, and 8000$ price tag. Then yes.


Speaking of benchmarks:

Framerates from his tests are pretty much consistent, with Vega M GH GPU. Pretty darn impressive, for 35W TDP GPU.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Meh. Mildly disappointing.

I wouldn’t be. It kills it.

 

[nerowolfe19]

Framerates from his tests are pretty much consistent, with Vega M GH GPU. Pretty darn impressive, for 35W TDP GPU.

His scores show W3 @ 1200p medium settings averaging 57fps
NBC scores show W3 @1080p high settings averaging 55fps for Vega M GH

For modern gaming it seems Vega is good enough to maintain 60fps+ on medium settings at FHD. I'd say that's descent for a MBP, and would satisfy the average user's needs, especially on the go.

Any word on battery life while gaming in said res/settings?

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Nope. No Vega 16/20 on desktop will be 7 nm, unless you talk about Design Vega 20, with 64 CU's(4096 GCN cores) 32 GB HBM 2, and 8000$ price tag. Then yes.


Speaking of benchmarks:

Framerates from his tests are pretty much consistent, with Vega M GH GPU. Pretty darn impressive, for 35W TDP GPU.

Yes that one.

Can someone post the T2 firmware revision and check for crackling?

 

[leman]

Any word on battery life while gaming in said res/settings?

Easily guessed: about 60-90 minutes. Why is it relevant though? No laptop can play games on battery... any decent hardware will pull at least 70 watts and the max battery one can have is 99.9Wh...

 

[nerowolfe19]

Why is it relevant though?

Well. Performance isn't all that. Price isn't all that. What remains is efficiency. It stands to reason battery life is relevant in this case.

Agreed that it's theoritically estimatable, but why theorize when the chip is out and it can be measured through actual testing?

 

[mehdijobs]

here some good benchmarks

 

[MandiMac]

FF XIV, Sea of Thieves, Starcraft, Diablo III...they all drive my laptop at 100% CPU & GPU.

Activate VSync. Boom, solved.

 

[Trebuin]

Activate VSync. Boom, solved.

Umm, I don't even know how to say how much that has nothing to do how a new operating system driving an ancient machine works.

 

[MandiMac]

Umm, I don't even know how to say how much that has nothing to do how a new operating system driving an ancient machine works.

Still helps with CPU and GPU utilization.

 

[Trebuin]

Still helps with CPU and GPU utilization.

Nothing is going to help but a hardware upgrade. Vsync is actually one I keep on by default.

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Still helps with CPU and GPU utilization.

Umm no. You want VSYNC off to get the most out of your hardware.

 

[Trebuin]

Umm no. You want VSYNC off to get the most out of your hardware.

true, VSync on helps with screen tearing.

 

[rex450se]

Well, I’ve already started having issues on this 3 day old machine. The screen has started flickering on me.

https://imgur.com/gallery/NXyXcKr

 

[Trebuin]

Well, I’ve already started having issues on this 3 day old machine. The screen has started flickering on me.

https://imgur.com/gallery/NXyXcKr

hmm
now I'm more concerned about the thermals. I know you have that model I'm looking for. Could you run that thermal test I'm looking for?

 

[IdentityCrisis]

Well, I’ve already started having issues on this 3 day old machine. The screen has started flickering on me.

https://imgur.com/gallery/NXyXcKr

Uh oh. Don't sell that MBP you have on your screen yet.

 

[leman]

Well. Performance isn't all that. Price isn't all that. What remains is efficiency. It stands to reason battery life is relevant in this case.

You can't have efficiency when doing something that demands maximal performance. Any kind of demanding software will cause your machine to to a permanent high-power state and that is simply incompatible with efficiency or long battery life.

 

[Ma2k5]

Well, I’ve already started having issues on this 3 day old machine. The screen has started flickering on me.

https://imgur.com/gallery/NXyXcKr

It’s back to QC of sub £1000 Windows laptops with Apple nowadays!

This shouldn’t be thermal related right? Vega temps seemed to be good.

 

[Trebuin]

You can't have efficiency when doing something that demands maximal performance. Any kind of demanding software will cause your machine to to a permanent high-power state and that is simply incompatible with efficiency or long battery life.

Actually, you need thermal efficiency to avoid melting chips on the computer. What you just said fell along the lines of development mindset during the early 2000's. That turned out to be a historical disaster when GPUs literally melted for reasons directly related to thermal efficiencies. Example...Dell changed to an thermally inefficient cooling pad instead of using thermal grease. Their efficiency was about 1/4 of what thermal paste was & their chips idled at around 80C, & maxed at 105C. I found the heat pipe could keep up, but the efficiency of that pad was garbage. Add a copper plate & arctic silver 5 & I got it idling around 40C with a max temp of around 85C.
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It’s back to QC of sub £1000 Windows laptops with Apple nowadays!

This shouldn’t be thermal related right? Vega temps seemed to be good.

I'm going to swallow my pride on this & agree with you...I've been staring at that & it does look like one of the following:
1) loose connection (check to see if Crome is forcing the MBP to run on Vega or built in intel)
2) Graphics flaw
3) CPU Graphics flaw (I'm not thinking likely)
4) IO bus flaw
5) OS issue carried over by a bad program from a restored backup (best case)

 

[leman]

Actually, you need thermal efficiency to avoid melting chips on the computer. What you just said fell along the lines of development mindset during the early 2000's.

I am talking about something completely different: the fact that you can't have good battery life if your GPU and CPU are in high power state because there is no laptop battery that can offer you hours of gaming when your power draw is constant 70 watts. Has nothing to do with thermals. Just power draw and battery capacity.

Don't take it the wrong way, but you are a bit obsessed by the topic of thermal efficiency

 

[Trebuin]

I am talking about something completely different: the fact that you can't have good battery life if your GPU and CPU are in high power state because there is no laptop battery that can offer you hours of gaming when your power draw is constant 70 watts. Has nothing to do with thermals. Just power draw and battery capacity.

Don't take it the wrong way, but you are a bit obsessed by the topic of thermal efficiency

Yea, that's because I have a problem with exterior temps. I melted one graphics card by leaving my laptop on in my room when the power went out. It wasn't even doing anything...just got a bit too hot & ended up without a computer for the rest of the deployment. I also didn't like the redefining of temp limits that will prevent a laptop from failing within its lifetime. Look up Les Tokar. He & I worked around that entire mess.

BTW, sorry about misreading that. Yep, once you get that GPU running, that power is going through the roof.

 

[cube]

It looks like AVX2 was only added to Time Spy Extreme physics in 3DMark.

Fire Strike Ultra physics do not scale so well. In Time Spy Extreme it looks like just a fractal calculation with collision detection (I guess that's why they call it CPU instead of physics).

The Night Raid calculation looks like the one in Time Spy Extreme but without AVX2 and limited to 8 cores.

 

[IdentityCrisis]