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There are, however, there are quite a few people who will be dumping Android first chance they get with the enticement of the iPhone.

I'd be surprised this number is higher than most believe it to be, based on anecdotal evidence, but evidence nonetheless.

only if it's an LTE iphone
 
I can only mourn for friends and family who have bought Android phones on Verizon in the past year after they finally gave up hope for a Verizon iPhone. :(

Yea, like me. I always told myself I would never go back to ATT after they porked me over several ways in the past. I said I would just suck it up and wait for the iPhone on Verizon. Bought my first smartphone last year. Still have a year left on the contract for a phone upgrade, but I don't care, I'll pay anything for the iPhone on Verizon.

The Droid was an ok device. No way does any Android phone compare to the iPhone and its apps. I laugh every time I see the billboard on the road that says, "Droid Does Apps." ... It doesn't. I've yet to see earth shattering apps for the thing. Android will die sooner or later.

If iPhone doesn't come out tomorrow? It's a win win I guess for me since I can then wait until my contract is up and hope it comes out in 2012, before the end of the world. Yea, wouldn't that be nice? iPhone Verizon lands on December 20, 2012, the day before the Mayan calendar ends.
 
Verizon Droid running Speedtest.net in burbs of Chicago area (4 bars):

65ms Ping
1875kbps down
874kbps up

AT&T iPhone 4 running Speedtest.net, same location (4 bars):

457ms Ping
2256kbps down
1086kbps up

Running repeated tests on the V-Droid gets me +/- 1000 kbps down, +/- 500kbps up.

Running repeated tests on the AT&T iPhone gets me +/- 1500 kbps down, +/- 500 kbps up.

If latency isn't an issue, AT&T for me in this particular location is generally faster than EVDO, but not impressively so. YMMV.

I think you've highlighted an important factor. On average, EVDO has lower latency, which is has more impact on everyday use. Not everyone is pulling huge files. Just short web browsing, tweets, etc. Lower latency is better in that regards...
 
Sorry.....GSM is much faster....and it supports concurrent voice/data.

Of which no one practically has a use for on a daily basis. I use my phone more than anyone and I can tell you that in the past year there may have been 2 times when I wanted to use data while talking on the phone (and that was to use maps to direct someone that was lost on the road). Look at the commercials for it, all of them no one would do. Would you buy flowers just as you were telling your wife you'll be home for dinner? Seriously, is there really a practical use for it?

"Hold on, I'm on the phone, but I'm gonna go surf the web" - Honestly, it's not that big of a hit for Verizon.
 
I can only mourn for friends and family who have bought Android phones on Verizon in the past year after they finally gave up hope for a Verizon iPhone. :(

I'm not sure about android phones resale price, but if it's anything near what used iPhones go for on craigslist, that would be a viable option!
 
Here's why: CDMA is a bottleneck....each user can only enter their Network at about 1 mb max. That'll save their core. I've reached speeds of 5mb on my iPhone w/AT&T. So have others...read their posts.

I prefer a consistent 1mbps over spotty and unreliable 5mbps anyday. Especially on a phone, where you are often using it for an important task, like finding directions or calling someone, and the network NEEDS to work.
 
Of which no one practically has a use for on a daily basis. I use my phone more than anyone and I can tell you that in the past year there may have been 2 times when I wanted to use data while talking on the phone (and that was to use maps to direct someone that was lost on the road). Look at the commercials for it, all of them no one would do. Would you buy flowers just as you were telling your wife you'll be home for dinner? Seriously, is there really a practical use for it?

"Hold on, I'm on the phone, but I'm gonna go surf the web" - Honestly, it's not that big of a hit for Verizon.

Unless your friend is on Who Wants to be a Millionaire and uses their phone-a-friend lifeline to call you. :p
 
Can any of the Verizon Users post your top CDMA speeds please.....so that we can compare?

This is not the top speed. I sometimes get over 2Mbps. I've also gotten as low as 680Kbps. This is just as of right now, in the hills of northern NJ, on a Droid Incredible, with WiFi disabled as usual (I save a lot of battery by leaving it off. Don't usually need it.):
 

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I prefer a consistent 1mbps over spotty and unreliable 5mbps anyday. Especially on a phone, where you are often using it for an important task, like finding directions or calling someone, and the network NEEDS to work.

Yup. Solid 1-2mbps is perfect for basic surfing of the web, chatting, etc. I'm not trying to download Adobe CS4 on my phone. Even LTE will be sweet, but really, as long as I have a steady connection over 1mbps, I know I won't get frustrated.
 
At this time, Verizon CDMA cannot do voice and data at the same time (aka, you can't search google and while on the call).

The question is, can verizon handle 40x the network traffic? Do they already have 98% of their network idle (waste of money), or do they think they can build that up quickly (people: not in my backyard).

I have no problem with iPhone on AT&T. Works great.
 
Here's a NEW THOUGHT

OK.... so for all of those out there in Verizon land... and "OUR" 2 yr upgrade/renewal is around the corner, MINE IS MAR. 16th. OK... so Verizon kicks out the iphone the end of January. That means I HAVE TO WAIT TILL MID MARCH to get my upgrade to the iphone. WHEREAS: all the newbie Verizon customers get to get it before me when I've been a faithful customer for yrs now. And they get it as soon as it's released. Just doesn't seem fair to me. When I have been with Verizon first. But if I don't want to wait till March I will have to pay for the early upgrade.... Just a thought! UGGGH!
 
At this time, Verizon CDMA cannot do voice and data at the same time (aka, you can't search google and while on the call).

The question is, can verizon handle 40x the network traffic? Do they already have 98% of their network idle (waste of money), or do they think they can build that up quickly (people: not in my backyard).

I have no problem with iPhone on AT&T. Works great.

They've proven to handle extremely well with the release of the Android phones of which data use soared past that of AT&T's usage. They've also been expanding there network greatly in anticipation of the iPhone. It's speculated that around 9-10 million iPhones will be sold for Verizon, most of which are already customers of Verizon. I'd truly be surprised to see any long term issues. I wouldn't be surprised though to see them run into the activation issues that AT&T did.
 
I used to be with Verizon prior to the iPhone. I do have to admit though, AT&T has been alot better in my area. However with Verizon, I never had any issues. Maybe it's time to go back to Verizon.

While they all have issues, Verizon IMO has the best user experience, especially customer support.

The ATT website for business is ridiculously complicated with using a business account, a foundation account etc.
Try to get something done , geez.
Clearly set up by bean counters who don't know what is important to a user.

As for the reception Verizon has AT beat and what good is a fast 3G when one can't get it and it keeps switching to molasses (i.e. EDGE)?

Having had VERIZON and only the iphone made me switch to ATT all I can say to ATT is:

I am switching to Verizon ASAP:

Can you hear me now?
 
I've personally found that Verizon is better in some areas (New York in particular), AT&T is better in others (it's great down here in Miami), but overall Verizon seems to be a more reliable network. Sprint is also quite excellent, and I wish the iPhone would come to both Sprint and Verizon but this seems unlikely.

I just got an AT&T iPhone a few months ago, so I'm stuck for the moment. However, one thing is for certain: Splitting the masses of iPhone subscribers between two major carriers is going to distribute the network load and improve the performance for all users. It was sheer lunacy to have the iPhone be a single carrier exclusive for so long. The load needs to be distributed.

I'm willing to bet we would have had the same problems had the iPhone initially been a Verizon exclusive, or a Sprint exclusive. It's a very popular phone and none of the carriers would have been able to handle it by themselves.
 
So the iPhone is on AT&T and Verizon, both very expensive. But it really needs to be on Sprint. More minutes, nights/weekends @7pm, free calling to ANY MOBILE, TRUE unlimited 4G and 'unlimited' 5GB 3G.

I have unlimited calling to any mobile with AT&T. Idk how....but my entire family is on verizon and I talk to then constantly and my unlimited mobile to mobile goes up while my anytime minutes never changes. 23 days into this cycle I have used 10 minutes of anytime and nearly 100 m-2-m
 
I have unlimited calling to any mobile with AT&T. Idk how....but my entire family is on verizon and I talk to then constantly and my unlimited mobile to mobile goes up while my anytime minutes never changes. 23 days into this cycle I have used 10 minutes of anytime and nearly 100 m-2-m

Isn't "mobile to mobile" regardless of carrier? That's how it was with Sprint; as long as the phone I was calling was a cel phone, I wouldn't get billed regular minutes for it.
 
so am i the only one content with at&t?

I am "mostly content". Coverage in Florida so far has been excellent. The only place I've had trouble in so far was the Walt Disney World area, where it was *slower* than usual, but still worked fine. This is to be expected, it was around New Years and the tourist density was through the stratosphere!
 
Verizon Droid running Speedtest.net in burbs of Chicago area (4 bars):

65ms Ping
1875kbps down
874kbps up

AT&T iPhone 4 running Speedtest.net, same location (4 bars):

457ms Ping
2256kbps down
1086kbps up

Running repeated tests on the V-Droid gets me +/- 500 kbps down, +/- 300 kbps up.

Running repeated tests on the AT&T iPhone gets me +/- 1500 kbps down, +/- 500 kbps up.

If latency isn't an issue, AT&T for me in this particular location is generally faster than EVDO, but not impressively so. The AT&T throughput fluctuates far more than the Verizon speeds. YMMV.

Interesting, but one problem in that test: different hardware. I'm not sure how the kind of phone (iPhone vs. Droid) will affect speed. Would be interesting to see an AT&T iPhone 4 vs. a Verizon iPhone 4, totally eliminating all factors except the actual service.
 
So if you buy a Verizon iPhone you won't be able to unlock it and use it in Europe, Africa, Middle East, Australia, most of Asia, most of South America etc. What a worthless POS. I don't understand why people like CDMA so much, it's worthless if you can't use it outside of the US.
 
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