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Cross-carrier HD Voice seems to be active between AT&T and Verizon around here...
Yeah we've had HD Voice for awhile here in California (near LA) as long as you're running a modern phone. lol
On Verizon? Tethering has been included on Verizon plans for a while now - "included" -
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Just curious. What are your gains/ loses by switching or staying put?
Had 3 lines with the grandfathered unlimited. Put in the order yesterday to port our lines to 3 SIMs. Will be saving a considerable amount of money, and Verizon has a better signal out where I live too.
Website wouldn't let me switch to the unlimited for the current month and customer service kept dropping me before I could talk to someone. I currently have a 40gb plan with 3 iPhones and 3 iPads. Total cost comes out to a few dollars more but worth it when we're traveling. Currently on the road in our RV and used 35gb last month.
Lost my corporate discount but will see if my son that's on the plan can use his military id to get a discount.
Lost my corporate discount but will see if my son that's on the plan can use his military id to get a discount.
If anyone goes over 10 GB for tethering, let us know what the "3G" speed is. I've been quite curious.
I called Verizon to see my iPhone 7's data and about this unlimited. This was my breakdown…
40.09gb- February (cycle ended Feb 6th)
46.17gb- January
41.6 December
I average 43gb of data a month according to them (which is absolutely insane).
Here's my options:
Currently pay $198 monthly for two lines (one has unlimited data, other is a dummy line I use for upgrades, etc)
Update: I've since cancelled one of the two lines which was setting me back about $39.99 for data and $9.99 monthly for device (dummy phone for upgrades)
I could turn my iPad into the second line, and after taxes and fees = $177.80 for both lines. (around this amount)
OR.. I can go with just one device (iPhone) and after taxes it would be roughly $103. 22gb of data, with the hotspot option for my iPad (or just be on Wifi whenever I use iPad).
My concern is if the 10gb of data renewed MONTHLY for hotspot? Also, is the 10gb SEPARATE from your "unlimited" data.
I will still use about 30-40gb a month (crap wifi at work plus I use Wifi Calling settings often)
ANOTHER issue... Since I haven't upgraded my device, but rather paid outright for my phones since 2010, I was looking on getting the anniversary iPhone 8 in September. On my account I have "New Every Two" just sitting there still. Does Verizon still honor this, and if so will it still be on my account after changing to this unlimited plan?
Decisions…
40.09gb- February (cycle ended Feb 6th)
46.17gb- January
41.6 December
I average 43gb of data a month according to them (which is absolutely insane).
Here's my options:
Currently pay $198 monthly for two lines (one has unlimited data, other is a dummy line I use for upgrades, etc)
Update: I've since cancelled one of the two lines which was setting me back about $39.99 for data and $9.99 monthly for device (dummy phone for upgrades)
I could turn my iPad into the second line, and after taxes and fees = $177.80 for both lines. (around this amount)
OR.. I can go with just one device (iPhone) and after taxes it would be roughly $103. 22gb of data, with the hotspot option for my iPad (or just be on Wifi whenever I use iPad).
My concern is if the 10gb of data renewed MONTHLY for hotspot? Also, is the 10gb SEPARATE from your "unlimited" data.
I will still use about 30-40gb a month (crap wifi at work plus I use Wifi Calling settings often)
ANOTHER issue... Since I haven't upgraded my device, but rather paid outright for my phones since 2010, I was looking on getting the anniversary iPhone 8 in September. On my account I have "New Every Two" just sitting there still. Does Verizon still honor this, and if so will it still be on my account after changing to this unlimited plan?
Decisions…
So much misinformation in this thread. I've been through all 61 pages and have seen users clarify the policy time and time again only to have others come in and screw it all up.
To start, I have AT&T's DTV Unlimited Plan. I have been subjected to the 22 GB deprioritization threshold pretty much every month. Want to see what speeds look like on a deprioritized line in Manhattan on a Saturday evening (midtown and Lexington Ave) and Sunday morning (downtown and Houston St)?
What can we conclude? That these were the worst-case scenario tests for me. Could some have been faster? Maybe, but does that really matter?
The threshold is on a per line basis. I'll say it again:
DEPRIORITIZATION AT 22 GB IS ON A PER LINE BASIS. You MAY be slowed in times of congestion. Most of you wouldn't know if it hit you. From what I know, it is rare & I believe you're put at the bottom of the postpaid pool on that tower. The worst-case is behind postpaid and prepaid - no way are you under MVNOs.
Anyway, I just felt the need to address all the crying going on here. Also to the Euros chiming in on your cheap plans - great for you. You wouldn't be saying the same if your provider had to cover the entire lower 48 of the U.S. Look up how much more square mileage the U.S. has over your country. We have more towers, which leads to jogger maintenance costs, and the list goes on. Square miles/cost and you'll see our ratio is higher.
To start, I have AT&T's DTV Unlimited Plan. I have been subjected to the 22 GB deprioritization threshold pretty much every month. Want to see what speeds look like on a deprioritized line in Manhattan on a Saturday evening (midtown and Lexington Ave) and Sunday morning (downtown and Houston St)?
What can we conclude? That these were the worst-case scenario tests for me. Could some have been faster? Maybe, but does that really matter?
The threshold is on a per line basis. I'll say it again:
DEPRIORITIZATION AT 22 GB IS ON A PER LINE BASIS. You MAY be slowed in times of congestion. Most of you wouldn't know if it hit you. From what I know, it is rare & I believe you're put at the bottom of the postpaid pool on that tower. The worst-case is behind postpaid and prepaid - no way are you under MVNOs.
Anyway, I just felt the need to address all the crying going on here. Also to the Euros chiming in on your cheap plans - great for you. You wouldn't be saying the same if your provider had to cover the entire lower 48 of the U.S. Look up how much more square mileage the U.S. has over your country. We have more towers, which leads to jogger maintenance costs, and the list goes on. Square miles/cost and you'll see our ratio is higher.
All you did was quote what ATT has done for you . How do u or I know that Verizon has the same practices as att? I'm not saying that they don't but how do u know they do? How do u know that their infrastructure works the same way?
18gb/month (with data rollover), 2 iPhones, 1 iPad $122/month base.
Unlimited, same, same, $170/month base.
A swing and a miss.
Unlimited, same, same, $170/month base.
A swing and a miss.
You must not know AT&T vs Verizon in Manhattan. Verizon OWNS AT&T in Manhattan on every level. AT&T has zero wideband, Verizon has TWO widebands.
My point is if I don't get deprioritized in Manhattan of all places, in the city that never sleeps on AT&T, why & how on earth would one get deprioritized in Manhattan using VZW?
If you want to know how they'll implement the method once you pass 22 GB, you have to ask them that. Good luck getting an answer. I'm here to tell you you'll be just fine.
I can't really disagree or argue with your points because I don't know much about the technical or about Manhattan in general. However I doubt that Manhattan's infrastructure is the same as the thousands of cities throughout the us. Point is u can't compare Manhattan precisely because that city never sleeps and because of that the infrastructure is built accordingly
So I finally signed my life away to this new Verizon plan.
Basically unlimited iPhone and iPad Pro and my bill will be $122.18, originally I was paying $198 for a dummy line and my iPhone 7 Plus.
What I'm told is that the employee discounts WILL be back, after it's all sorted through and whatnot, which I'll apply when that happens. It would've been $103.11 without the iPad for me, but for the extra amount, I get unlimited iPad data as well.
Verizon offers 10g hotspot with each additional line though so if you want to tether from your iphone to iPad, you can for the first 10gigs, then it goes down to 3g for just the tethering. In terms of data, after 22gb, you experience the deprioritzation, which is still 4g network, obviously at the expense of people who haven't used all their 22gb getting slightly different speeds. This is something I noticed before (network slowdowns) with my UDP from 2010, and the VZ rep who seemed to not only know his ****, even said "Verizon's been deprioritizing grandfathered plans for years, they won't say it (he even listed references like MacRumors, Droid Life) but it's happening so this is pretty much a win for UDP people.
Then he said something that made even more sense: "Just like they raised the Unlimited plans from $30 to $49.99 for grandfathered plans, expect them to do the same thing, especially come September for the iPhone"
Was enough for me to just go with it. Now at least both my iPad and iPhone have unlimited Data, and if I run out, I'll use the 30gb of tether between devices if I need to.
Basically unlimited iPhone and iPad Pro and my bill will be $122.18, originally I was paying $198 for a dummy line and my iPhone 7 Plus.
What I'm told is that the employee discounts WILL be back, after it's all sorted through and whatnot, which I'll apply when that happens. It would've been $103.11 without the iPad for me, but for the extra amount, I get unlimited iPad data as well.
Verizon offers 10g hotspot with each additional line though so if you want to tether from your iphone to iPad, you can for the first 10gigs, then it goes down to 3g for just the tethering. In terms of data, after 22gb, you experience the deprioritzation, which is still 4g network, obviously at the expense of people who haven't used all their 22gb getting slightly different speeds. This is something I noticed before (network slowdowns) with my UDP from 2010, and the VZ rep who seemed to not only know his ****, even said "Verizon's been deprioritizing grandfathered plans for years, they won't say it (he even listed references like MacRumors, Droid Life) but it's happening so this is pretty much a win for UDP people.
Then he said something that made even more sense: "Just like they raised the Unlimited plans from $30 to $49.99 for grandfathered plans, expect them to do the same thing, especially come September for the iPhone"
Was enough for me to just go with it. Now at least both my iPad and iPhone have unlimited Data, and if I run out, I'll use the 30gb of tether between devices if I need to.
Obviously, I can't offer exactly what you're seeking. I can offer that I'm often in rural areas where the 3G CDMA network is still available - in rural areas of OR/WA/ID. I'm also from NY and go to visit from time to time and I'm aware that VZW started shutting down the 3G CDMA network in The City around Oct-Nov 2014 and moving what was on those frequencies to their Band 2 PCS LTE Deployment; I used to be on HoFo and read about others discovering that here - http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1850023-Verizon-s-Band-2-PCS-LTE-Deployment - so you may not actually see "3G" but LTE but be throttled. I'm also going to surmise that VZW will not be "honoring" S-EVDO speeds when they throttle…
What I get on my iPads when I tether in 3G EVDO areas is about 0.7-1.2 Mbps down and about 1/8th-1/10th of that up, pretty consistently, and I'm surmising that VZW will stick to about that even if one is tethering while on LTE in the situation you posed. Cheers.
I just wish there was more transparency . Words such as congestion,throttle, de-proritzation or the many other terms which are used are very open ended in translation. It needs to be explained in better term and be more transparent. And mind you ,this is why the federal government came down on them in the first place because they used the word "throttle". De prioritization is really not much better understood.
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You mention that the rep said that you can expect this new unlimited to be raised in price in September, then why on earth would u switch from your old grandfather plan?
I think he was referring to the grandfathered unlimited going to increase, not the current one
I gave up my grandfathered nationwide plan with unlimited data. I Got rid of a dumb phone line, swapped a 2gb iPhone line, a 8gb iPhone line and my unlimited line. My bill went from $305 to $224 plus tax. I also talked them into lowering the $40 device fee on my one line under contract to the $20 fee. I also didn't have tethering with my old plan so it's a win for me. I only use between 12-16gb a month anyways.
Why don't they get rid of all this nonsense and just make people pay for the data they use? Then there would be no question.
If you want to use 50GB of data... you will pay more than someone who only uses 5GB of data. That seems like a no-brainer and a simple solution to all this.
But alas... we've got the word "unlimited" thrown in our face... wondering what will happen if you use more than 22GB on this $80 plan... while just a few days ago it cost $70 for only 8GB.
$70 - 8GB
$80 - 22GB+
We may never know what "deprioritization" actually means... but you know you will have at least 22GB for $80... which is a better value than Verizon's previous packages.
I say... forget the word "unlimited" and just treat this like a 22GB plan. And move on with life
That's absolutely not what I said.
I mentioned that the rep said you can expect the grandfathered plan to be increased as further incentive to make people switch, which is all honesty, you should.
To be truthfully honest though, I'm almost certain us UDP users have been deprioritized for years, as I've seen hiccups and stuttering with my network even with them saying we aren't throttled, or the like
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Why don't they get rid of all this nonsense and just make people pay for the data they use? Then there would be no question.
If you want to use 50GB of data... you will pay more than someone who only uses 5GB of data. That seems like a no-brainer and a simple solution to all this.
But alas... we've got the word "unlimited" thrown in our face... wondering what will happen if you use more than 22GB on this $80 plan... while just a few days ago it cost $70 for only 8GB.
$70 - 8GB
$80 - 22GB+
We may never know what "deprioritization" actually means... but you know you will have at least 22GB for $80... which is a better value than Verizon's previous packages.
I say... forget the word "unlimited" and just treat this like a 22GB plan. And move on with life
I absolutely agree in terms of what you said. What ultimately made me switch was the feeling of being like a fugitive on the run with unlimited data just to say I have it. Now with this data, I am still going to use it as I have been, and if the speed "slows", I'm almost certain it wouldn't be noticeable unless you just feel to nitpick at the sake of saying "im grandfathered" but for me once being one of those guys, I got tired of Verizon simply raising my UDP 10-15 dollars for "truly" unlimited data knowing that they had been deprioritizing us from the jump. I'm sure with this new plan, it will be similar to how the same network we've been using getting 30-40gb will be.
Issue is people are more focused on Verizon being transparent for once and saying "22gb". They did them a service by not being elusive, and now they can't go back on it. This saves us from 15-20 articles of people saying "I'm at 23gb, noticed a slowdown?" "I'm at 277gb notice a slowdown".
Other carriers caused Verizon to be more structured in their price model and offer up transparency, and I'm getting while the gettings good. The 22gb doesn't scare me because it is still 4g at the end of the day. If you're purposely wanting to "stick it to Verizon" by overpaying for grandfathered plans but essentially getting the same output, there's no win there. Save yourself some coin and get the same recipe.
De-priorizitation is not the same thing as throttling. To say that it is, is to deny that words have specific meanings.
And to those that keep rambling on about the application of "congestion," may I remind you, that the U.S. carrier you are with now has the same kind of provision. When in doubt, refer back to my first sentence.
Make a decision. This isn't a life and death situation.
And for the upteenth time, the new Verizon plan is not capped at 22GB. If some of you can't read or understand such a basic phone plan contract, you probably have no business signing on the dotted line.
And to those that keep rambling on about the application of "congestion," may I remind you, that the U.S. carrier you are with now has the same kind of provision. When in doubt, refer back to my first sentence.
Make a decision. This isn't a life and death situation.
And for the upteenth time, the new Verizon plan is not capped at 22GB. If some of you can't read or understand such a basic phone plan contract, you probably have no business signing on the dotted line.
Good point! I couldn't agree more.Why don't they get rid of all this nonsense and just make people pay for the data they use? Then there would be no question.
If you want to use 50GB of data... you will pay more than someone who only uses 5GB of data. That seems like a no-brainer and a simple solution to all this.
But alas... we've got the word "unlimited" thrown in our face... wondering what will happen if you use more than 22GB on this $80 plan... while just a few days ago it cost $70 for only 8GB.
$70 - 8GB
$80 - 22GB+
We may never know what "deprioritization" actually means... but you know you will have at least 22GB for $80... which is a better value than Verizon's previous packages.
I say... forget the word "unlimited" and just treat this like a 22GB plan. And move on with life
Couldn't have said it better myself Bro. Folks have complained about congrestion way too much. You've been living wit the congestion and not complained yet, so now why is it a concern.