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Verizon iPhone Sales Barely Topping AT&T iPhone Sales at Apple Stores?
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That means every Apple store is sell twice the iPhones, I don't think so, statistics are not a toy!
It's all very simple, you can't sell "1 flavor" and expect to be successful for very long. Many have jumped on the Android bandwagon.
My daughter for instance, when offered an iPhone chose a droid instead. Just because it had a slide-out keyboard and any virtual keyboard sucks ass in comparison. She (like most her age) texts more than she uses voice.
My daughter for instance, when offered an iPhone chose a droid instead. Just because it had a slide-out keyboard and any virtual keyboard sucks ass in comparison. She (like most her age) texts more than she uses voice.
I think there was a misunderstanding...
JPark, I think what Full of Win meant by "half a K" was the long term consideration of the iPhone fees, not just the cost of the handset itself upfront but also the monthly contract to operate the phone on the network. If you're paying $80 a month on average for the service that actually works out to be just under a grand annually, so if anything he was off by less, not more, in his estimate, but the heart of his sentiment is valid I believe; which would go to reason why everyone else on this thread seems to agree more or less that people are waiting for iPhone5 this June to debut before making a more definitive decision to throw their hat in with Verizon, or just stick with AT&T.
JPark, I think what Full of Win meant by "half a K" was the long term consideration of the iPhone fees, not just the cost of the handset itself upfront but also the monthly contract to operate the phone on the network. If you're paying $80 a month on average for the service that actually works out to be just under a grand annually, so if anything he was off by less, not more, in his estimate, but the heart of his sentiment is valid I believe; which would go to reason why everyone else on this thread seems to agree more or less that people are waiting for iPhone5 this June to debut before making a more definitive decision to throw their hat in with Verizon, or just stick with AT&T.
I was one of the people waiting and waiting for the VZW iPhone but eventually I couldn't take it any longer (live in S.F. and att is awe inspiring in their suckage). I switched to a DroidX and VZW with a heavy heart.
And you know what? I'm actually really happy I did. I kind of love my phone compared to my 3G. Mostly I love the flexibility of it, but the larger screen also makes me smile. I am really surprised as I am also an A1, first class Mac fanboy.
Now I'm starting to eye my iPad and wonder about Honeycomb...
Turns out that, for me, crappy ATT combined with no VZW phone was the gateway drug.
Edit:
Still think iOS is way better than Android. Way better. Just that Apple is kind of evil in how much they lock you out of your own phone (and really cripple its feature set) and that alone was enough to make me fall hard for my Android phone.
And you know what? I'm actually really happy I did. I kind of love my phone compared to my 3G. Mostly I love the flexibility of it, but the larger screen also makes me smile. I am really surprised as I am also an A1, first class Mac fanboy.
Now I'm starting to eye my iPad and wonder about Honeycomb...
Turns out that, for me, crappy ATT combined with no VZW phone was the gateway drug.
Edit:
Still think iOS is way better than Android. Way better. Just that Apple is kind of evil in how much they lock you out of your own phone (and really cripple its feature set) and that alone was enough to make me fall hard for my Android phone.
It's amazing the number of people who will completely bash one option to make themselves feel more secure with their position.
The Verizon iPhone is the iPhone 4 - on another carrier. It's not a new device and as such the impetus to break contracts and make a change isn't strong. If the Verizon iPhone had contained upgrades that didn't exist in the AT&T version, then it would be another story. But most of the Apple passionate fans who had to have the iPhone 4 already have one. Thus they're locked into contracts and a $375 ETF. Pretty steep to simply change carriers.
This is going to be a slow burn ... over time. As more people come off contracts, as the iPhone 5 is released, then they'll come closer to subscriber 'parity' with AT&T. Ultimately it will settle out exactly where the general subscriber numbers are. But expecting that EVERYONE was going to jump ship from AT&T was just folly. They don't have 95.5M subs for nothing.
P.S. - I was off contract with older hardware (3Gs and a 3G) so it made jumping to Verizon much easier. If I had been locked in, I probably would have stayed put too and waited.
The Verizon iPhone is the iPhone 4 - on another carrier. It's not a new device and as such the impetus to break contracts and make a change isn't strong. If the Verizon iPhone had contained upgrades that didn't exist in the AT&T version, then it would be another story. But most of the Apple passionate fans who had to have the iPhone 4 already have one. Thus they're locked into contracts and a $375 ETF. Pretty steep to simply change carriers.
This is going to be a slow burn ... over time. As more people come off contracts, as the iPhone 5 is released, then they'll come closer to subscriber 'parity' with AT&T. Ultimately it will settle out exactly where the general subscriber numbers are. But expecting that EVERYONE was going to jump ship from AT&T was just folly. They don't have 95.5M subs for nothing.
P.S. - I was off contract with older hardware (3Gs and a 3G) so it made jumping to Verizon much easier. If I had been locked in, I probably would have stayed put too and waited.
In your experience how is the battery life on the Droid X?
I'm testing out an Optimus V and the battery life is pretty bad IMO. Drained from full charge in 12 hours with no usage, and no wi-fi, cellular data, blue tooth, etc... turned on. I get about 4-5 with real world usage.
We're moving to VZ, and my wife is pretty set on continuing forward with the iPhone 4. I'm kind of digging the Android OS. Not quite as refined as Apple, but it's definitely got its charms. The phone itself is a little on the cheap side, but then again it didn't cost much. I'd consider a jump to a higher caliber Android phone, especially if the battery life is decent.
like quite a few people have said, I'm holding off on getting an iPhone until Apple release the 5 in June (assuming it will become available on both AT&T and Verizon at the same time)... no point in buying old tech when the iPhone 5 will almost surely be worth an extra 4mo wait- and besides, it's not like I've already had to wait 4+ years to get an iPhone. oh, wait.
my 3GS does that just with my email accounts i have set up on it. no way i can get through a workday even only receiving email with the screen off without it dying
I too fall into the group of AT&T customers that am waiting until summer before moving to Verizon. I'm currently NOT under contract, and neither is my wife.... but I'm not going to shell out all the $$$ and potentially get "stuck" with a soon to be replaced phone for 2 years. I know many that are of the same mindset as me.
I came from a 3G to the i4. While battery life on the 3G wasn't great, I feel like I got more hours in the day out of it than I do with this Optimus. Then again maybe the i4 has just spoiled me utterly.
I'm fairly convinced that what we see in June/July will be the iPhone 4S rather than a 5. It just makes sense at this point.
They've already got the world phone hardware out there in the Verizon baseband chip, for starters. And I'd assume the A5 will practically be a drop-in replacement for the A4. If you look at this from Apple's perspective, it lets them use a design and tooling for 24 months, lowering the cost of manufacturing to a point where the 2012 phone can have a low-price alternative in the 4S (much like the 3GS is now) available to all carriers. I sincerely doubt either 4 is yet at 3GS margins to allow such an offering.
These numbers probably reinforce what Apple knew already - they can sell a bunch of 4's on Verizon, but a lot of people are still locked into 3GS contracts and won't be able to upgrade without ETFs until mid-year; not to mention people who aren't upgrading because of an approaching replacement. They can gracefully transition the current manufacturing process to the 4S, unify the product line and look forward to increasing margins for the next year. It will also probably do a good job of not pissing off those buying the Verizon phone today.
Of course, I could be completely wrong.
They've already got the world phone hardware out there in the Verizon baseband chip, for starters. And I'd assume the A5 will practically be a drop-in replacement for the A4. If you look at this from Apple's perspective, it lets them use a design and tooling for 24 months, lowering the cost of manufacturing to a point where the 2012 phone can have a low-price alternative in the 4S (much like the 3GS is now) available to all carriers. I sincerely doubt either 4 is yet at 3GS margins to allow such an offering.
These numbers probably reinforce what Apple knew already - they can sell a bunch of 4's on Verizon, but a lot of people are still locked into 3GS contracts and won't be able to upgrade without ETFs until mid-year; not to mention people who aren't upgrading because of an approaching replacement. They can gracefully transition the current manufacturing process to the 4S, unify the product line and look forward to increasing margins for the next year. It will also probably do a good job of not pissing off those buying the Verizon phone today.
Of course, I could be completely wrong.
There are so much better as well as cheaper devices out there that only iBlind people can not see... Sorry, but this is just a fact
I think this is the key point to stories like this, as always. And this has barely been mentioned by anyone:
Most people already have a phone, maybe even a smartphone. Upgrading/changing phones doesn't mean they've suddenly taken on a $1200/year expense, they've probably gone from a $900/yr expense to $1200, or they haven't changed at all.
And there is no "iPhone fee". The charges on any particular network are the same for all comparable phones, usually $25-30 for data these days.
Analysts, observers, internet devotees all thought that some magical things would happen: Verizon would triple their user base in 10 days, ATT would collapse by March, and no doubt something about world peace. Reality is always somewhere else.
That would be pretty dense, though. Every time someone throws out this inane argument, the only comparison they do is to having an expensive smartphone plan to nothing. So, that's people's only two choices, eh? No phone or $100 phone plan. Right.
Most people already have a phone, maybe even a smartphone. Upgrading/changing phones doesn't mean they've suddenly taken on a $1200/year expense, they've probably gone from a $900/yr expense to $1200, or they haven't changed at all.
And there is no "iPhone fee". The charges on any particular network are the same for all comparable phones, usually $25-30 for data these days.
Lots of idiots in this thread. Most Verizon iphone 4 orders were online. So there's no real point picking it up in store. The new iPhone coming out in June will be a minor upgrade. A lot of Verizon users who bought the iPhone 4 will be able to upgrade next year when the iPhone 6 comes out.
Agreed - it's why I was OK going ahead and getting the Verizon iPhone 4 now. I figured I'll upgrade in 18 months when the iPhone 6 will probably be a radically different device. The iPhone 5 will be evolutionary, not revolutionary.
iphone sales verizon vs att
I have read several comments/articles regarding dismal sales of verizon iphone. Most recently here in MacRumors comparing sales of both at 5 Apple stores. Do these figures include the sales of iphone 3, 3gs, refurbished and blemished phone deals? Or are the numbers based on iphone4 to iphone4 exclusively? There are deals out there by att that one can purchase an iphone with "blemishes for 1cent direct from att with 2 year contract. You can even buy iphone 3gs from apple at $49. Based on these facts do the figures match up accordingly, can one be more specific? thanks
I have read several comments/articles regarding dismal sales of verizon iphone. Most recently here in MacRumors comparing sales of both at 5 Apple stores. Do these figures include the sales of iphone 3, 3gs, refurbished and blemished phone deals? Or are the numbers based on iphone4 to iphone4 exclusively? There are deals out there by att that one can purchase an iphone with "blemishes for 1cent direct from att with 2 year contract. You can even buy iphone 3gs from apple at $49. Based on these facts do the figures match up accordingly, can one be more specific? thanks
Have you tried the original Droid's physical keyboard? I can't imagine any keyboard being worse than that one, whether physical or on-screen.
Agreed...or what the sales of AT&T iPhones were in the weeks leading up to the 5 days used in the study. Are these Apple stores selling twice as many phones now, or is the VZN phone cannibalizing what were previously AT&T sales?
Many questions...more specifics would be nice to be able to truly compare.
actually, look at the numbers backwards.
14% of ATT iPhone users will switch to Verizon over the next 2 years
due to frustration with ATT's network capacity for 3G devices and the
iPhone in particular
(the San Fran/NYC effect)
and
ATTs growth rate of iPhone is cut approx in half
The more important numbers will come out later this month and next..
- number of Android vs iPhone activations (overall)
- number of android vs iPhone (vs BB vs 'other') activations at ATT and VZN.
Bottle line... Apple doesn't care (that much... I'm sure there are a few $$ difference in net profits between ATT and VZN) which network gets the activation. They (and me, stockholder) care that their product line is growing in revenue and shrinking in net costs relative per unit (== $PROFIT$).
I do think that sales rates will increase as
1) you approach the 'back to school' time [why... because that's when most phones of college/grad students come off plan]
2) iPhone 5 comes out
3) Verizon increases the speed of it's iPhone X compatible network protocol
Me... I'm not switching. ATT is bad in exactly only one place... the 50' around my work desk ;-( Otherwise... my phone is wonderful. My beloved wife is now starting to pine for a 'you can just look at your iphone and get any answer you want' device.... so for her... an iPhone 5 or an iPad2 (or both... I'm in love;-). may be in order.
14% of ATT iPhone users will switch to Verizon over the next 2 years
due to frustration with ATT's network capacity for 3G devices and the
iPhone in particular
(the San Fran/NYC effect)
and
ATTs growth rate of iPhone is cut approx in half
The more important numbers will come out later this month and next..
- number of Android vs iPhone activations (overall)
- number of android vs iPhone (vs BB vs 'other') activations at ATT and VZN.
Bottle line... Apple doesn't care (that much... I'm sure there are a few $$ difference in net profits between ATT and VZN) which network gets the activation. They (and me, stockholder) care that their product line is growing in revenue and shrinking in net costs relative per unit (== $PROFIT$).
I do think that sales rates will increase as
1) you approach the 'back to school' time [why... because that's when most phones of college/grad students come off plan]
2) iPhone 5 comes out
3) Verizon increases the speed of it's iPhone X compatible network protocol
Me... I'm not switching. ATT is bad in exactly only one place... the 50' around my work desk ;-( Otherwise... my phone is wonderful. My beloved wife is now starting to pine for a 'you can just look at your iphone and get any answer you want' device.... so for her... an iPhone 5 or an iPad2 (or both... I'm in love;-). may be in order.
Hog wash
What a useless point...By these numbers I roughly calculate that Verizon is outselling Att by an average of roughly 30%. I dont know about you, but if I outsell my competitor by that much, thats pretty good. This, considering that Iphone finally is available on Ver' only about 4months before an anticipated Iphone5, where many are just waiting for that to come out. Also, many dont want to pay that huge ETF to get the same phone. If Iphone4 would have sold to both carriers when it came out those numbers would have easily doubled for Verizon.
What a useless point...By these numbers I roughly calculate that Verizon is outselling Att by an average of roughly 30%. I dont know about you, but if I outsell my competitor by that much, thats pretty good. This, considering that Iphone finally is available on Ver' only about 4months before an anticipated Iphone5, where many are just waiting for that to come out. Also, many dont want to pay that huge ETF to get the same phone. If Iphone4 would have sold to both carriers when it came out those numbers would have easily doubled for Verizon.
