Verizon iPhone to Launch in January 2011?

[Oilbrnr]

My friend who works as a T-Mobile tower manager screams about Rio Verde all the time.
Lot's of complaints, but that's federal land.

And T-Mobile is AT&T's rural carrier, correct? My point is that Verizon in that same area is rock solid. (Even Sprint is good, as I had them with a prior employer.) If they can do it why not AT&T?

From the Tonto on the north, which my lot boarders, to the McDowell's on the south, is all private land. It's a pretty big area, with a fair population now. That being said, the last time I drove to Fountain Hills I did note like 10 new small and kinda funky towers along Forest Road once you leave the actual Rio Verde community. All were powered by GenSets, as the power had not been plumbed in yet. They were serving up AT&T!! So someone out there has some pull.

I think that if I could see the actual plans and dates for new sites coming online here (AZ) it might reduce my anger, but of course that info is not shared. Just, "we are spending X $ amount this year alone."

Hey, at least the iPhone works great south of the boarder! We were in Rocky Point a couple of weeks ago and I was impressed! If it were that good here, I'd not have a complaint.

 

[bartolo5]

AFAIK, LTE does not support data + voice running simultaneously. Only faster data speeds.

LTE by itself supports voice and data simultenously in any of the voice over LTE flavors. Verizon will use VoLTE when they enable voice on LTE http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=453101

But voice will not be available at launch over LTE, just data, for some time (till 2013 maybe?) they'll use regular CDMA for voice.
I don't know if LTE+CDMA chipsets can do LTE and CDMA at the same time. Maybe someone can fill us in.

 

[L3X]

AFAIK, LTE does not support data + voice running simultaneously. Only faster data speeds.

If anyone can prove otherwise, please post.

If you can't, now is the time to quit dreaming of iPhone on Verizon.

The only way iPhone came to Bell and Telus (our CDMA networks) in Canada is because they got chunks of the GSM spectrum and built their own GSM networks.

EDIT: AND, to top that off, Apple would need to engineer/produce an entire new CDMA device.

If Apple and Verizon want to release the iPhone on Verizon, they will, regardless of what technology we think works with what and how.

I think most people agree it's in Apple's and Verizon's best financial interest to do so. It's just a matter if they can work out the legal matters. Obviously, no one on this board is apprised of the current contract between ATT and Apple unless we have some secret counsel perusing these boards.

There is a lot of speculation going on by all parties, that's what makes all this fun.

 

[btrav13]

For those saying that VZN would experience the same network issues as ATT...aren't Android handsets just as data intensive? For the most part, they have identical apps, identical operations, etc. So if that were the case, then the fact that VZN's top selling phones are Android would mean that VZN should already be experiencing the same network issues? It's not like the iPhone uses 10 times more data than Android. They are extremely similar.

GSM, by it's nature, is not equipped to handle the data traffic. CDMA, on the other hand, is. Why is the natural assumption, with no proof at all, that Verizon is going to have the exact same outcome? That is a pretty stupid assumption in my opinion.

 

[savanahrose]

After the week we've had with the new iPhone....anybody still think the dropped calls issues that iPhone users have had for years is still AT&T's fault?

Jes sayin

That is weird to hear but I have just recently started to get dropped calls. I used to be able to get calls here at work but for the last 3 weeks or so my calls have started to drop. It is getting really frustrating. AT&T is now acting like Verizon did before i dropped them. The main thing is that I can still get service at the house and most other places.

 

[EagerDragon]

Not that I believe it, but if true ....

Maybe it will be Verizon 4G service as the current service would require a new radio, who knows maybe Apple will have a trully universal phone with all radios and 20,0000 different bands supported. As an additional incentive you will be able to talk to Flipper and Shamu.

I don't know, but if Verizon comes out with 4G and Apple comes out with 4G compatible phone, there will be a lot of Pissed people that did not wait.

I say the rumor is bull

 

[whatever]

Not really good news for the 1.7 million iPhone 4 buyers - they're locked in for a full two years.

You don't suppose AT&T knew this was coming and tried to get everyone locked up in a long term contract.

I love how everyone is accusing AT&T of being evil, just because they tried to help out all of those people would ordinarily have to wait to upgrade their iPhones.

If they didn't do this then the forums would be filled with people saying that AT&T are a bunch of ******s for punishing dedicated iPhone users.

They just can't win.

 

[budselectjr]

The debate over people's personal opinions on all the networks is irrelevant. The story here is possibly another carrier giving ATT competition for the iPhone. I don't know how that is a bad thing. Even simple things like not screwing up preorders and activations of phones would be a plus if another carrier could get it right.

 

[whatever]

For those saying that VZN would experience the same network issues as ATT...aren't Android handsets just as data intensive? For the most part, they have identical apps, identical operations, etc. So if that were the case, then the fact that VZN's top selling phones are Android would mean that VZN should already be experiencing the same network issues? It's not like the iPhone uses 10 times more data than Android. They are extremely similar.

GSM, by it's nature, is not equipped to handle the data traffic. CDMA, on the other hand, is. Why is the natural assumption, with no proof at all, that Verizon is going to have the exact same outcome? That is a pretty stupid assumption in my opinion.

The big difference is that there are more iPhone users out in the wild in the US than Android users.

Actually their might be more iPad users in the wild in the US than all Android handsets combined.

And the iPhone 4 may actually be closing in on the total number of Android handsets sold already.

And no one Android model is close to any of the iPhone models (from the first to the iPhone 4) in sales.

That is the big difference.

 

[flycats]

What I don't understand is why someone from either company wouldn't squash the rumor if it's flat out speculation. It can only hurt all 3 companies of people hold off on upgrading another 6 months.

 

[cvaldes]

Not really good news for the 1.7 million iPhone 4 buyers - they're locked in for a full two years.

You don't suppose AT&T knew this was coming and tried to get everyone locked up in a long term contract.

1.7 million was the worldwide sales figure for all markets that the iPhone 4 debuted in, not just the United States.

You do realize that there are other countries other than America and that not all countries' mobile operators lock users into long-term cellular contracts?

 

[Trek2100]

I'm with you guys. I've been waiting for this for a LONG time. Give the people what they want, so they'll get off AT&T's network.

Yes indeed. AT&T's 3G network ramping up to 7.2 Mbps vs, Verizon's 1.3. Verizon does not have yearly rollover minutes. The closet plan on Verizon to what I have with AT&T (using their current data plan and options fees) is $50.00 higher per month. Yes, go to Verizon quickly. Thank you very much! I've been perfectly happy with AT&T for close to 15 years.

 

[blen]

LTE by itself supports voice and data simultenously in any of the voice over LTE flavors. Verizon will use VoLTE when they enable voice on LTE http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=453101

But voice will not be available at launch over LTE, just data, for some time (till 2013 maybe?) they'll use regular CDMA for voice.
I don't know if LTE+CDMA chipsets can do LTE and CDMA at the same time. Maybe someone can fill us in.

My major point is, that an iPhone on the CURRENT state of CDMA networks, would be gimped. That's why it won't happen anytime in the near future.

 

[geenosr]

Amen!

I'm glad!

I don't want Verizon, nor do I like Verizon.

I like AT&T about as well as anyone can like a cellular provider.

What I am looking forward to:

1) Less people hogging up the network
2) People who want Verizon finally getting what they want, instead of griping about AT&T

Granted, AT&T doesn't have coverage in some of the areas where Verizon does have coverage, so I'm pleased that other people will get to have the iPhone as a cellular option.

I do think, however, that this will open up a whole new world of "gripe" threads about Verizon and the performance of the network and the iPhone on the network.

That should be good reading. *pops corn*

I couldn't agree more....I am so tired of people whining about Verizon this, Verizon that. I have had nothing but great cell service and great customer service with att. I haven't used Verizon so I can't comment on their offerings. Unlike many of the people who post here, My opinion comes from my experiences, not speculation. I have had all the iPhones when they have come out each year and my love for it just keeps going up. It is truly the greatest thing I have ever owned.

I've read a lot about Steve Jobs' business deals and what he considers bad tactics from companies such as Google..("We did not enter the search business, They entered the phone business. Make no mistake: they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them.”)

I also recall one of several Verizon commercials that had Santa Claus making fun of the iPhone and all the 'misfit toys' laughing away at the iPhone's expense. Say what you will, if I haven't forgotten Verizon's portrayal of the iPhone, I guarantee that Steve hasn't either. Yes Apple would make lots of money selling to Verizon's customers, but when Steve J's mind is made up, it's really made up! (see Flash!)

So if the iPhone goes to Verizon, well, just having competition usually works out for the consumer's benefit and that's a good thing.....whichever network you like and use. But like many other posts for 4 years (and this thread),
I'll believe a Verizon iPhone when I see it.

 

[drober30]

This news just scrolled across the ticker while watching Fox News. I would say it's a go this time!

I personally don't mind AT&T but competition is good!

 

[TroyBoy30]

I wish they would get the phone just so all these people could bitch about verizon instead of att for a change, but they won't

 

[vivithemage]

Good, I hope Verizon gets more people on the iphone ...and open up my AT&T network more!

 

[miki66]

So where's T-mobile!!?!? plus, rumor is always rumor

 

[kdarling]

Yes indeed. AT&T's 3G network ramping up to 7.2 Mbps vs, Verizon's 1.3.

Verizon Rev A goes up to 3.1 Mbps, although you usually see about half that. Likewise, we're not likely to see 7.2 Mbps on ATT, but usually a third of that.

Verizon does not have yearly rollover minutes. The closest plan on Verizon to what I have with AT&T (using their current data plan and options fees) is $50.00 higher per month.

I never understand people with thousands of rollover minutes. It means you have the wrong plan.

As for cost, they're usually equal, or nearly so. If you're paying $50 less, do you have a discount or something?

My major point is, that an iPhone on the CURRENT state of CDMA networks, would be gimped. That's why it won't happen anytime in the near future.

On the CURRENT state of CDMA networks, Apple could use an SVDO capable phone chip, and get simultaneous voice and data.

I also recall one of several Verizon commercials that had Santa Claus making fun of the iPhone and all the 'misfit toys' laughing away at the iPhone's expense.

More accurately, it had other toys praising the iPhone and wondering why it was there, then sympathizing with it for being on ATT.

But like many other posts for 4 years (and this thread),
I'll believe a Verizon iPhone when I see it.

+1

 

[Stately]

Thank goodness, it can only improve the AT&T coverage as people move over to what they think will be an improvement.

Lol, it's more than thinking, it's a fact. Even other areas like pricing will be less of a hassle. People are tired of AT&T for more than one reason. Good bye AT& ripoff . . . Wait I left a year and a half ago.

 

[cult hero]

That might be enough for me to switch...

Ugh... coverage varies by region anyway. So just because X service sucks in your area doesn't mean it's universal crap.

I hope this is true. My G1 is long in the tooth. I'm getting married next week and my wife-to-be is on Verizon, so I was thinking about switching so we were both on the same account. (Although, I do like my T-Mobile service a lot.)

 

[bergmef]

I love how everyone is accusing AT&T of being evil, just because they tried to help out all of those people would ordinarily have to wait to upgrade their iPhones.

If they didn't do this then the forums would be filled with people saying that AT&T are a bunch of ******s for punishing dedicated iPhone users.

They just can't win.

With what you quoted, I didn't see anything he wrote about being evil. Did you quote the wrong one? It was a good business move, the guy only said they locked up 1.7 million people (which they did because they had to renew the contract). No evil to read into it.

 

[bergmef]

My major point is, that an iPhone on the CURRENT state of CDMA networks, would be gimped. That's why it won't happen anytime in the near future.

Actually it's the current state of handsets means the phone would be gimped. The network can handle anything else, just not at the same speed as ATT.

 

[Sinsear]

CDMA = No Voice and Data at the same time. Suck.

What are you talking about? On my HTC Incredible, I can talk to people and use the browser/apps at the same time. The only thing I can't do when I talk to people is use the GPS navigator.

 

[Amnak]

Im going to say Not happening for 1 major reason and that is because it would be only 5 months away from a refreshed iPhone 5 if it happens it happens together.