Super Computer, what does your calculations say about the post count?
Over 90,000!
90,000! That's impossible!
That's my guess. And if you say what I was referencing you get a cookie.
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Super Computer, what does your calculations say about the post count?
Over 90,000!
90,000! That's impossible!
That's my guess. And if you say what I was referencing you get a cookie.
It's all speculation until Apple announces.
However, some of the speculation is more plausible than others. You're just taking odds on the likelihood of a future event. T-Mobile USA getting the iPhone is a far more plausible event than Verizon getting the handset.
The Vegas bookies should really take bets on this stuff.
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Duh! Verizon can't talk about an Apple product just when it wants too. Even if they ask for permission by Apple.
To be honest, A Sprint iPhone or T-Mobile would make more sense. Verizon's network is barely taking babysteps in becoming a reliable next generation company. Sure, they have service.. but their data is full of crap & non-sense. LTE is barely starting for them. They're better off having an iPhone within another year or so. This is something Apple or Verizon should discuss or explain to the desperate iPhone on Verizon people.
Duh! Verizon can't talk about an Apple product just when it wants too. Even if they ask for permission by Apple.
To be honest, A Sprint iPhone or T-Mobile would make more sense. Verizon's network is barely taking babysteps in becoming a reliable next generation company. Sure, they have service.. but their data is full of crap & non-sense. LTE is barely starting for them. They're better off having an iPhone within another year or so. This is something Apple or Verizon should discuss or explain to the desperate iPhone on Verizon people.
No, it does not.
AT&T's TDMA network was shut down years ago when they were Cingular.
Their 2G data is EDGE, voice calls fallback to GSM.
I addressed the whole five year thing in detail again just the other day, in this post.
That lawsuit referenced the original USA Today article's five year comment.
And that original comment came from a Verizon exec's joke about iPhone users being stuck on ATT for a long time ("five years"). It didn't come from ATT, nor Apple.
USA Today later switched to a quite different story. Again, see my post.
That is enough for me to believe that AT&T's exclusivity period with the iPhone is coming to an end and that the AT&T executive who mentioned that certain handsets were ending exclusivity was an assertion that the iPhone is one of those.
Of course, there is no actual proof (as people did not want their identities revealed about disclosing a confidential matter), but circumstantial evidence makes it pretty difficult to come up with other conclusions if you apply Occam's razor.
I sure hope T-Mobile USA gets the iPhone although I'll probably wait for an HSPA+ version, maybe the iPhone 5.
We know there was a contract signed in 2006. We know it was for 5 years. When did it start? We don't know.
And this is MacRumors, proof has nothing to do with it. We don't need proof to speculate and listen to rumors of a pending Verizon iPhone. What we can do is speculate that if a Verizon iPhone is launched in 2011, either the terms of the contract started when signed in 2006 or the contract has ended/been amended based on a possible exit clause.
Almost nothing anybody says on either side is fact. The name of this forum isn't MacFacts.
Wrong, Edge is an extension of GPRS. TDMA is the air interface. When you say voice falls back to GSM....TDMA = GSM
What alternate universe are you living in? It's pretty commonly accepted that Verizon's network is rock solid. Even the data side. They have been supporting laptop users for years. Even AT&T's voice customers bought Verizon 3G aircards.
And Verizon can speak about the iPhone any time they like. Unless of course they have an agreement with Apple not to...
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Just put the damn phone out on verizon. It's the biggest carrier and it's dumb not to include it. All this back and forth speculation and "reasoning" means nothing because Apple does what they want. Apple is too full of themselves at times and so is verizon. I doubt we will see it before June. The iPad will come first to verizon. Just watch.
Whatever happens with the alleged VZW iPhone has little* bearing on me.
While AT&T is far form perfect, there is nothing that would make me go back to VZW. You think Apple is controlling/locked down??
* It would garner a sly grin when/if there is no VZW iPhone announced. Can you imagine the whining on this site if there was no VZW iPhone? Ohman...
While AT&T is far form perfect, there is nothing that would make me go back to VZW. You think Apple is controlling/locked down??
* It would garner a sly grin when/if there is no VZW iPhone announced. Can you imagine the whining on this site if there was no VZW iPhone? Ohman...
Ah, but my point is that I don't think we even know it was for five years.
As I've been saying for a long time, it sure has always looked to me as if that number stemmed from a casual jab in that old USA Today article. Comments directly from ATT have painted a different picture.
There could be a strategy to have separate release cycles 6 months apart for AT&T and Verizon. This would help slow attrition as customers on each carrier would always have 6 months remaining on their contract if they decided to switch. It could be an item that was negotiated to modify the original AT&T exclusivity agreement.
Just a thought.
True, the court case didn't actually say the contract was 5 years, it just used the USA Today report as a reason the customers should believe it to be so.
This.
With competition and technology changing rapidly, they can't wait for just annual releases, in my opinion. Makes sense to do one in January and one in July.
Exactly, that's why I don't understand why people are still saying the contract is for 5 years. Even if it is, Apple could get out on an exit clause, which I am sure there is one.
Why would Steve be the second banana? Ivan would simply be introducing the main event.
What conflict ?
Duh, that's easy. It's spelled A P P L E.
Grocers (your example) are not in conflict because they are not under the thumb of the ever dictatorial, lawsuit happy, narcissistic, control freak Steve Jobs.
When and _if_ it's true, Steve's not about to share the spotlight with anyone, in his mind he's superior to anyone else on earth.
Just ask Walt Mossberg, suck up extraordinaire.
Plain, simple, and oh so obvious...
Wrong... Stop reading Wikipedia.
TDMA is not GSM.
GSM was derived from TDMA, but it is not TDMA.
Hell, even GPRS is part of the GSM standard.
To put it simply, a TDMA only phone will not work on AT&T's network... period. TDMA access was decommissioned years ago.
So you cannot fallback to TDMA.
Same thing applies to GRPS and EDGE.
One is an extension of the other.
They are not the same as you're implying.
You will fall back to EDGE before you fall back to GRPS.
AT&T doesn't have a good selection of Android phones - the only good one they got is Samsung Captivate. They don't advertise Android phones prominently - not on TV and not on their website. They still sold close to 1.3 million Captivates against the 5.2 Million iPhone 4s and 3GS - 80% of which were existing iPhone users.
Also from Amazon press release : Android swept the top spots in the wireless category. With the Samsung Captivate, Droid Incredible and Droid X making up the top three. Captivate is free on new contract, a far cry from current pricing should you walk into a AT&T store.
Mr. Jobs: "...and that's the new iPad 2. It contains our best ideas to date. And we know you're going to love it. Well that just about wraps it up... but there is ONE MORE THING!"
cue: Verizon iPhone.
cue: Verizon iPhone.
It would be an Apple event, under an Apple logo, not a Verizon logo.
Besides, Apple doesn't really like highlighting the carriers that much. To Apple, a mobile operator is a dumb pipe.
Also, Apple abandoned making announcements at tradeshows years ago. They get more bang for their PR dollar by holding their own media events. No one gets on the stage before Steve. If Steve is not the first person on the stage, he's not showing up. He needs no introduction.
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All great points. I would also add to if the exclusivity agreement is still in existence until sometime in 2012 why haven't there been any rebuttals of Wall Street Journal and Fortune magazine reports of Verizon getting the Iphone in early 2011 by AT&T? These reports have had to have some impact on Verizon customers switching over to AT&T especially this holiday season. It has probably negatively effected Droid sales on Verizon as well. I would think Verizon would want to make it clear they weren't adding the Iphone anytime soon unless they are.
We will all know soon enough. I suspect if we don't hear about it happening by the end of January then it most likely won't happen until June or 2012. I do think it may be not until the 30 day return window of December 25th is over because of the havoc that may cause.
I also don't think they would just add a Verizon Ipad without a Verizon Iphone. To me if they were going to do an ipad with multiple carriers just a year after it came out they would have done it when it originally came out this year.
There will be no event. Was there any events when any other countries with an exclusivity deal changed to a multi-carrier setup ? Nope. This ain't different. There's going to be a press release, and it's not going to come from Apple. You'll just see a "Verizon iPhone" suddenly pop up.
Bell and Telus basically used the iPhone to promote their joint venture HSPA+ network. Apple wasn't included in the announcement at all, except for the fact they changed their site around to tell you Bell and Telus were on board when you tried to order an iPhone through the store. No front page news, no press release, no Steve Jobs on stage thanking Rogers for years of exclusivity.
You guys are looking way too deep into this.
Bell and Telus basically used the iPhone to promote their joint venture HSPA+ network. Apple wasn't included in the announcement at all, except for the fact they changed their site around to tell you Bell and Telus were on board when you tried to order an iPhone through the store. No front page news, no press release, no Steve Jobs on stage thanking Rogers for years of exclusivity.
You guys are looking way too deep into this.
