Verizon's 5G Network Launches Starting in Chicago and Minneapolis

[v0lume4]

I think some of you folks are being too dismissive of the health risks. The fact of the matter is that we don't have much -- if any -- time-proven studies of health risks (or the lack thereof) of 5G networks. Companies are just rolling out these networks to say, "First!" without regard of potential health hazards.

Again, there may or may not be health hazards. We simply do not have the numbers to be able to tell us one way or the other. And that is what is concerning. Wouldn't you rather err on the side of caution?

 

[PickUrPoison]

Thanks for the clarification on the total package and price. I still think it’s a threat for Apple. And for those of us located overseas (Japan in my case) with access to phones not sold in the US, and governments more focused on the issue, I’d definitely say not producing a 5G phone until 2021 would be a serious mistake for Apple.

For me I think the issue is really what do you have even when you get it. I really don’t see the need for 450Mbps or gigabit speeds on a cell phone. And fast access to the tower is great, but when the backhaul to the carrier network is congested you’re effectively bottlenecked/throttled anyway.

In any case, i don’t think it’s a must-have feature for the vast majority of consumers. Apple would likely lose very few sales by not having a 5G phone next year.

 

[bbplayer5]

Maybe for home internet or a hotspot, but for mobile devices this is literally useless.

 

[Ken Magel]

How quickly do you think full 5G will roll out? Realistically, how many people will have access to 5G where they live by January 2020? How about by January 2021? January, 2022?

 

[Chazz08]

For me I think the issue is really what do you have even when you get it. I really don’t see the need for 450Mbps or gigabit speeds on a cell phone. And fast access to the tower is great, but when the backhaul to the carrier network is congested you’re effectively bottlenecked/throttled anyway.

In any case, i don’t think it’s a must-have feature for the vast majority of consumers. Apple would likely lose very few sales by not having a 5G phone next year.

But that’s assuming that the consumer doesn’t jump on the hype wagon, and they already have. :-/

 

[Analog Kid]

It is. There’s also a link at the bottom for more info on their 5G.

https://www.verizon.com/about/news/...world-get-5g-enabled-smartphones-connected-5g

There was a link in my post that you quoted as well...

I don’t see any bandwidth numbers in the link you provided. Are they using non-standard 5G?

The widest New Radio bands I see specified are only 400MHz which, above 24GHz, is not UWB by the conventional definition.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands

 

[PickUrPoison]

But that’s assuming that the consumer doesn’t jump on the hype wagon, and they already have. :-/

Yeah no doubt. I can’t help thinking that $199 Moto Mod is going to sell very poorly. Who’s going to buy a $250 phone and then spend $200 just to add 5G? That’s gotta be a tiny market.

 

[Rafterman]

Chicago I get. But Minneapolis?

 

[greenbreadmmm]

Because of sources like "naturalhealth365".. Why yes I would love a book about which vitamin kills viruses!! And while you're at it tell me about those 4 parents claiming a cell phone tower caused cancer in their kids with no evidence what so ever!. Forget about other compounding factors like water and air quality...

That is why we don't listen.

Cause the government has never lied to us in the past about the health risks of our life and environment?

Whether the information is out there or not, what is the harm of being cautious?

Also, these are different spectrum of waves than 4G or anything in the past. The same style the army uses as weapons. They are also installed every few 100 ft in mesh style, vs big towers every few miles.

Am I saying its cancerous/bad for us, NOT AT ALL. Am I suggesting, caution isn't the worst idea when we are talking about frequency manipulation of the world around us, you better believe it!

I suppose to the same degree that people jump down conspiracy theorists throats for immediately questioning the facts presented. Shouldn't the same kind of greeting be used to people who take every article as 100% fact and believing that there could be zero manipulation of public info?

Heck, look at the sugar industry. It was proven scientists were bought out to smother information that linked sugar to heart disease and so on.

All I'm saying is, nothing is pure, all information is controlled.

 

[rgbrock1]

Sure. Consider yourself schooled. You're welcome.

https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/ntp/about_ntp/trpanel/2018/march/peerreview20180328_508.pdf

https://ehtrust.org/scientific-research-on-5g-and-health/

A study done in California? The same State where a "study" found that cow farts emanate more methane gas than any other source, leading Gov Jerry "Moonbat" Brown to suggest taxing cow farts?

So much for that latest study.
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Tempting, but a terrible commute twice a day from England.

Too bad they canned Concorde, eh? ))

 

[adrianm2000]

Umm... can you fix 4G before you launch a new version (that probably won't work well, either)?

Verizon today announced it has turned on its commercial 5G network, starting in select areas of Minneapolis and Chicago. Verizon had originally targeted an April 11 launch, so the rollout is a week ahead of schedule.

Verizon customers can access the 5G network with the Moto Z3 smartphone paired with the 5G-enabled Moto Mod accessory, providing the "world's first commercial 5G mobile service with a 5G-enabled smartphone." The carrier plans to expand the network to more than 30 cities across the U.S. by the end of 2019.

Verizon says customers in Chicago and Minneapolis should expect typical download speeds of 450 Mbps, with peak speeds of nearly 1 Gbps and latency less than 30 milliseconds. Of course, speeds should improve with future upgrades.

In Chicago, 5G coverage is concentrated in areas of the West Loop and the South Loop, around landmarks like Union Station, Willis Tower, The Art Institute of Chicago, Millennium Park, and The Chicago Theatre, according to Verizon. 5G service is also available at select Verizon stores in the city.

In Minneapolis, service is concentrated in the downtown area, as well as inside and around U.S. Bank Stadium. 5G service is also available around landmarks like the Minneapolis Convention Center, the Minneapolis Central Library, the Mill City Museum, Target Center, The Commons, and areas of Elliot Park.

The Moto Z3 retails for $240, or 24 monthly payments of $10, while the 5G Moto Mod is available for $199.99 for a limited time. Verizon postpaid customers with any unlimited plan, including Go Unlimited, Beyond Unlimited, or Above Unlimited, can get unlimited 5G data for an additional $10 per month.

As for the first 5G-enabled iPhone, UBS analyst Timothy Arcuri recently said there is "increasing potential that Apple may not be able to ship a 5G iPhone for 2020" due to the company's legal battle with chipmaker Qualcomm and the growing possibility that Intel may not have a 5G modem ready to ship by next year.

Article Link: Verizon's 5G Network Launches Starting in Chicago and Minneapolis

 

[greenbreadmmm]

I would also say that anyone who thinks 5G is ok because there are no official bad articles about it?

Lets look at modern day book burning, shall we?

Biggest example : The veteran PC magazine writer who was fired for writing an article QUESTIONING 5Gs safety. Not for talking bad of it, but literally just questioning the lack of safety oversight and long term testing.

Not only was he fired, his article was scrubbed from the Internet.

Another example was during a telecommunications conference, a person asked during a Q&A about 5G and its health affects. He was banned from the meeting and told he could only come back if he "played nice"

Now I dunno about you, but that raises some suspicion. Does that mean 5G is cancer, NOPE. Does that raise some red flags about information being withheld from us, you bet ya.


There is ZERO HARM in being cautious.

 

[Edsel]

I'm waiting until 10G is released. A robust 10.6μm frequency would add a new function to our iPhones....

 

[TheSapient]

Chicago I get. But Minneapolis?

I just checked. People live in Minneapolis.

 

[Rocketman]

Verizon has deployed in "some neighborhoods" of two cities. Apple typically does not deploy a new LTE protocol phone until the tech has been proven for a full year or more. That gives them time to deal with Qualcomm legal issues. It also gives them time to make their own FRAND compatible LTE5 baseband chip. Hmmm, a 3 way race to September 2021. To early to tell but I bet on Apple.

 

[MoreRumors?]

I read on Verizon’s wireless website, you are required to be on one of their Unlimited plans in order to use the 5G network. Be prepared to shell out more money if you are not on any of these plans.

 

[TheSapient]

Cause the government has never lied to us in the past about the health risks of our life and environment?

Whether the information is out there or not, what is the harm of being cautious?
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Sure, not everything the government has ever said about health issues has been correct. But the CDC and NIH are the global standard for accurate information. You are not going to find an intensive care unit thumbing through NaturalHealth365's books to figure out what vitamins to use for a viral infection. When there is an Ebola outbreak, it isn't NaturalHealth365 that is called in.
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I would also say that anyone who thinks 5G is ok because there are no official bad articles about it?

Lets look at modern day book burning, shall we?

Biggest example : The veteran PC magazine writer who was fired for writing an article QUESTIONING 5Gs safety. Not for talking bad of it, but literally just questioning the lack of safety oversight and long term testing.

So this is hard to hunt down. It is mentioned on various conspiracy websites. But here is the original claim on the Wayback machine. https://web.archive.org/web/20181018161836/https://medium.com/@dvorak/5g-got-me-fired-ce407e584c4a

He says he was fired when new management came on. He says this was normal enough. Then he saw that his last piece was removed and replaced by something different. He then speculated that someone was trying to paint a different picture of 5G. He has no evidence that he was fired for anything other than the standard reorganization that happens in publications. He provides no other instances of people being punished for talking about 5G. He does not say he was every pressured to say nice things about 5G.

I'm sorry, but if 5G was a major threat, the firing of a guy from a tech magazine would not be where the battle would take place. You'd have to suppress the research of medical academics all over the world. Do you know how you know cigarettes are bad for you? It is because massively powerful companies with endless of supplies of money, who actively engaged in a decades long cover-up, couldn't achieve anything but short-term deniability for some CEOs. Every relevant health organization was screaming about the dangers, regardless of what the tobacco industry was saying. It wasn't some tech writer managing to sneak an article into PC magazine.

EIDT: The author in question, John C. Dvorak, is currently the co-host of the No Agenda podcast. despite being a fairly popular show, no 5G black helicopters have carried him away. No one tries to stop their discussions of their belief in a New World Order secret global government. They don't talk about 5G much though. Of course, compared to the way Bill Clinton apparently causes earthquakes in Haiti so he can get inexpensive hotel land, 5G doesn't seem like as big a problem. *eyerollemoji*

 

[C DM]

There is ZERO HARM in being cautious.

While I agree with the overall general concept of that, what it's like in theory and what it's like in practice can take on different forms, especially these days. There are usually other aspects and variables to potentially consider and factor in, like unintended consequences, for example.

 

[Kaibelf]

Come on Apple, hope the 2019 iPhone will have this. Its definitely a selling point. You can’t languish on all fronts.

Oh, just remembered it will probably come on 2020 iPhones if they manage

Yawn. "Languishing" because they don't have a phone right now that can MAYBE connect to a network that's limited to a couple of neighborhoods that's been on for less than 24 hours.

 

[DotCom2]

• Both Cancer.gov & The American Cancer Society openly and repeatedly state that fears are not proven and there is no correlation or causation between 5G and cancer.

• "The protests are happening even though there’s next to no scientific evidence that 5G, or any earlier wireless technology, causes cancer or other illnesses. There’s 'very little evidence' that cell towers cause cancer, according to the American Cancer Society. The Federal Communications Commission has ruled that cellphone tower broadcasts are 'thousands of times below safety limits.' The World Health Organization says that 'current evidence does not confirm the existence of any health consequences from exposure to low-level electromagnetic fields.'" The Daily Beast

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Just remember it's usually, "All about the MONEY."

 

[mattster16]

Chicago I get. But Minneapolis?

I'm in Minneapolis. 3.6 million other people in our metro area...

I live in downtown Minneapolis, unfortunately don't have a 5G phone. I'm lucky enough to have 5GE with At&t!!!

Edit: It sounds like I'm going to get cancer very soon. I'll keep everyone updated.

 

[TheSapient]

Just remember it's usually, "All about the MONEY."

I find this utterly insulting to all the people who dedicate their lives to improving health and educating the public. To suggest that almost all of them are saying what they are told to say, and happily cashing checks while lying to make people sick is pretty terrible.

 

[DotCom2]

I find this utterly insulting to all the people who dedicate their lives to improving health and educating the public. To suggest that almost all of them are saying what they are told to say, and happily cashing checks while lying to make people sick is pretty terrible.

Read up on Monsanto.

 

[TheSapient]

Read up on Monsanto.

It's not my job to prove your conspiracy theories.

 

[Chazz08]

There was a link in my post that you quoted as well...

I don’t see any bandwidth numbers in the link you provided. Are they using non-standard 5G?

The widest New Radio bands I see specified are only 400MHz which, above 24GHz, is not UWB by the conventional definition.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands

I answered the question and they are listed on their site.
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Yeah no doubt. I can’t help thinking that $199 Moto Mod is going to sell very poorly. Who’s going to buy a $250 phone and then spend $200 just to add 5G? That’s gotta be a tiny market.

Having worked for sales at Verizon, I can tell you it probably is selling pretty well. When it was announced we had people asking about it, and that was like September or October I think. And that particular phone is one of their “free” phones. And no doubt they will have a promo for that mod or other motomods. Verizon has always had good promos for Motorola phones. But, since Samsung has one coming and announced, people may be waiting for that one. I don’t work for them anymore, so things could have changed.

But, I definitely wouldn’t buy it. Haha. It’s a mediocre phone at best, too. We sold it as a beginner phone for kids. Lol