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Video: Testing Stage Manager on iPadOS 16 With an External Display

CarAnalogy said:
OK now that I've seen it in action I really don't care that it's not coming to my 2020 iPad Pro. I don't even really see how this is better than Mission Control. Even the name Mission Control is better.
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At least for MacOS, I'd agree. I like Mission Control/Spaces better since (from what I can tell so far) you can't have your apps full screen and be able to tell what Stage Manager is doing. I DO wish Spaces would allow custom naming of each desktop and allow apps to be assigned to specific desktops, not just "this desktop", "all", or "none".
 
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No5tromo said:
I don't know why Apple struggles so much with window management, even in macOS it feels like they have no idea what they're doing, window management is my #1 reason for considering going back to Windows. Using an iPad as a main computer doesn't look like it's something that Apple wants us to do, the hardware is there but the software is embarrassing and I can only assume it's on purpose.
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Agreed with your second point, iPad is clearly not a main computer replacement yet. They’ll continue to pitch it as one, and maybe in a few years it will get there, but it is very definitely not there yet. As noted, this is entirely a software issue, as the hardware is on point.

Completely disagree with your first point though. Windows management is great on MacOS, and there are wonderful third party apps that will emulate everything Windows can do and more. Suggesting you’d switch back to Windows over this minor point is silly, since you can do everything on a Mac that you can do on windows, and more, from a windows management perspective.
 
JEY said:
Makes sense. When I want pancakes I don't complain that my Cheerios are too hard to eat with a fork.
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Well, The Mac use the trackpad for all of it's windows management feature. The iPad as one (with the magic keyboard). I don't understand why you think it's normal for the iPad to be way behind in usability.

It's not like windows management is new. It's been around for over 30 years.
 
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HiRez said:
Maybe I'm missing something but I just can't see why they're making such a big deal about this. What can I do with Stage Manager that I can't do by selecting apps int he Dock or using Option-Tab fast switching? I tend to use apps in full screen (or at least window sized full) anyway so seeing a bunch of small windows just means less space for the current app.
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Get a bigger monitor 😄
 
now i see it said:
People have got it in their mind that Stage Manager is just a software upgrade. But really it’s part of the M1 hardware upgrade that has launched late.

I bet they were working on Stage Manager intending for it to be part of the M1 iPad launch but ran into bugs and didn’t include it at that time.
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Well… it is 100% a software update. There is nothing in this needing new hardware
Macative said:
Who’s they?

Because Apple (Craig) made it very clear in an interview that it’s not a big deal and is just 1 new way of doing multitasking on Mac and iPad.

It’s whackos on macrumors that have made a big deal out of it.
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If they think it’s sutch a small thing then why exclude the a12z iPad Pro?
 
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HiRez said:
Maybe I'm missing something but I just can't see why they're making such a big deal about this. What can I do with Stage Manager that I can't do by selecting apps int he Dock or using Option-Tab fast switching? I tend to use apps in full screen (or at least window sized full) anyway so seeing a bunch of small windows just means less space for the current app.
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Agreed. I hope they improve Spaces and don't let it languish with the advent of Stage Manager. Spaces is pretty good, but a few tweaks here and there would make it great, especially for folks who like everything full screen and/or keeping their windows set for app-specific desktop preferences.
 
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Macative said:
Can't imagine how you possibly think that. Windows still feels flat and 1 dimensional. There is nothing that even resembles the fluidity and UX of mission control, exposé and the like.
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It's ugly as hell, but Windows has lifted all of those features including the gestures. Also snapping to grid and using Windows Key + arrow keys to move windows is still something my users are impressed with.

I hate what Microsoft has done to Windows, and macOS has fine window management as well, but I think Windows still has its namesake as one of its best OS features.
 
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CarAnalogy said:
It's ugly as hell, but Windows has lifted all of those features including the gestures. Also snapping to grid and using Windows Key + arrow keys to move windows is still something my users are impressed with.

I hate what Microsoft has done to Windows, and macOS has fine window management as well, but I think Windows still has its namesake as one of its best OS features.
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In addition to that, Windows works 100% every time.

MacOS with multi-monitor sometimes will swap to an empty screen while showing the app's name in top bar. You cannot jump to a clean desktop (ctrl+d in windows) while in fullscreen. Several fullscreen windows of the same app can't even be grouped, also inconsistencies between apps and how to toggle fullscreen (some cmd + ctrl + f & some fn+f).

Safari in fullscreen has had glitches where the UI darkens or lightens as if you were away from the window but you are actually there, since like 8 years, URL title bars text disappears or background color mistakenly switches to hover / active tab states.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer macOS any day but it is what it is.
 
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CarAnalogy said:
It's ugly as hell, but Windows has lifted all of those features including the gestures. Also snapping to grid and using Windows Key + arrow keys to move windows is still something my users are impressed with.

I hate what Microsoft has done to Windows, and macOS has fine window management as well, but I think Windows still has its namesake as one of its best OS features.
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I use a Mac at home but has to use a Windows PC at work. Windows for all it's shortcomings is extremely efficient when it comes to managing lots of apps and windows.

Some basic things like clicking on an app in the dock to reveal its window just to glance at it a second while leaving the mouse at the same place to click back as fast on it to close it. I must have done that at least 50 times a day for the past 20 years. MacOS offers nothing remotely as efficient.

Yeah MacOS as expose, mission controls and a ton of neat features but I have to think to use them. Windows just let me manage my 15 windows quickly without having to think about it.
 
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DummyFool said:
Well, The Mac use the trackpad for all of it's windows management feature. The iPad as one (with the magic keyboard). I don't understand why you think it's normal for the iPad to be way behind in usability.

It's not like windows management is new. It's been around for over 30 years.
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Your OP said the ipad wouldn't mimic your Mac workflow. I have no problem with the iPad having a great windowing system - I welcome it. I don't, however, expect it to be able to replace my Mac.

For what it's worth, my Mac is trash at mimicking my ipad workflow.

I prefer when the design of the 2 systems remains independent and focused, with crossover where practical. Too much design based around the assumption of a trackpad would not help the ipad, IMO.

No argument that iPadOS can be more powerful. I just welcome it being iPad-centric, not an inferior Mac clone.
 
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Spaceboi Scaphandre said:
When I saw the patents for "Pro Mode" I thought that's what they would do at WWDC. But instead we got...this. For all the talk and advertising of wanting the iPad to be able to replace traditional laptops, they're doing a very bad job at it.
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They're truly making it more complicated than it needs to be... for a company that prides itself with simplicity, iPadOS multitasking is anything but.
 
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Macative said:
Can't imagine how you possibly think that. Windows still feels flat and 1 dimensional. There is nothing that even resembles the fluidity and UX of mission control, exposé and the like.
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Well I use them both daily, one for personal preference (MacOS) and another for professional reasons, I much prefer Window’s treatment of windows, specially with PowerToys, the way you can create specific zones of the desktop to work on, it just utilizes the screen real estate a lot better; it also remembers your monitor so when you plug it in it comes back to your previous work environment, which is neat.

By the way, there is an equivalent to Mission Control in Windows, many people are not familiar with it, but it is there if you want to use it.
 
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Wonder we’ll how this works in OS Ventura. Wonder if I could get multiple instances of EVE Online to show up on the side, so that I can keep an eye on alts while doing stuff with the main(s)?
 
Ha, he has one of those UAD Volt audio interfaces. Tubes, with a kinda retro thing.

They look nice on your desk. Very pretty.

Tubes. Well..... Maybe add a turntable. Everyone knows older music sounds best on older equipment. Like old books should have dust on them.
 
kudos to apple for trying something new, I can't wait to try to include stage manager in my workflow, at least on macOS. It totally makes sense having quick groups of app windows that can be easily glanced and switched.

People swear by Windows window management but other than efficient snapping feature its pretty terrible in everything else, you can't even alt tab on windows from the same app only like on macOS, if you have many different apps open its a nightmare, the taskbar gets confusing af and their mission control like feature is so sluggish to the point its useless, Windows will never have smooth transitions unless they rebuild it from the ground up. Id take macOS with magnet app any day.
 
Since iPadOS is supposed to be designed for touch input, does iPadOS 16 support external touchscreen monitors?

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Monitors that support the USB HID multitouch class don't need a specific driver for each model. Or do people expect Apple to make a 30 inch iPad?
 
falkon-engine said:
They're truly making it more complicated than it needs to be... for a company that prides itself with simplicity, iPadOS multitasking is anything but.
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Yep. I must be one of the last three humans on the planet that still don't know how to use slideover (not just "use it correctly", I mean "at all". Period). I don't get the weirdo random invocations of it, I don't get the odd hover-window-panel-thing (whatever that's called; like slide over that doesn't go away). I can't ever find a reasonable way to close that hovering app quickly, because it's just plain stupid and always gets in the way. I end up having to "move" it to the top where it seems to "attach" itself back to the app switcher like a normal app window, but now I have TWO safari apps running. Gah. Annoying.

Whatever they did to multitasking back in iOS ...8? 10?.. it's been a disaster since. Absolutely 100% non-intuitive.

But again, I'm just one of the last three humans so I'll die out sooner or later and Apple will have "won" simply through attrition... Pyrrhic victory?
 
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evertjr said:
kudos to apple for trying something new, I can't wait to try to include stage manager in my workflow, at least on macOS. It totally makes sense having quick groups of app windows that can be easily glanced and switched.

People swear by Windows window management but other than efficient snapping feature its pretty terrible in everything else, you can't even alt tab on windows from the same app only like on macOS, if you have many different apps open its a nightmare, the taskbar gets confusing af and their mission control like feature is so sluggish to the point its useless, Windows will never have smooth transitions unless they rebuild it from the ground up. Id take macOS with magnet app any day.
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Alt-Esc. I've done that since Windows 95 days. #YoureWelcome

It's Cmd-backgrave (the backwards apostrophe, to left of the 1 key, with the tilde on it) on Mac to do the same.
 
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