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In addition to that, Windows works 100% every time.

MacOS with multi-monitor sometimes will swap to an empty screen while showing the app's name in top bar. You cannot jump to a clean desktop (ctrl+d in windows) while in fullscreen. Several fullscreen windows of the same app can't even be grouped, also inconsistencies between apps and how to toggle fullscreen (some cmd + ctrl + f & some fn+f).

Safari in fullscreen has had glitches where the UI darkens or lightens as if you were away from the window but you are actually there, since like 8 years, URL title bars text disappears or background color mistakenly switches to hover / active tab states.

Don't get me wrong, I prefer macOS any day but it is what it is.

Windows used to be more reliable, but anything in the "Modern" system is extremely unreliable. Including and especially the Settings app. It's such a steaming pile of garbage I have to watch my temper any time I'm setting up a new computer.
 
Honestly, making posts like this is embarrassing
I don't know why Apple struggles so much with window management, even in macOS it feels like they have no idea what they're doing, window management is my #1 reason for considering going back to Windows. Using an iPad as a main computer doesn't look like it's something that Apple wants us to do, the hardware is there but the software is embarrassing and I can only assume it's on purpose.
eh? What are you taking about? Windows is absolute garbage. The only reason people say its good is beacuse they've learned how to use such crap over so many year.
 
Maybe I'm missing something but I just can't see why they're making such a big deal about this. What can I do with Stage Manager that I can't do by selecting apps int he Dock or using Option-Tab fast switching? I tend to use apps in full screen (or at least window sized full) anyway so seeing a bunch of small windows just means less space for the current app.
I suspect its mainly aimed at use with an external monitor. I agree that Ipad use without an external monitor is very good as it is now.
 
eh? What are you taking about? Windows is absolute garbage. The only reason people say its good is beacuse they've learned how to use such crap over so many year.
It’s garbage in every way except window management, which is what macOS is garbage at, but there are third party apps, such as Rectangle, which make this a non-issue. It’s just a bit of a joke when Apple finally decides to release something for window management, and it’s Stage Manager, which features the ability to compartmentalize messy windows that are still messy even after “organizing them” with still no snap functionality … which Windows has had for like 15 years. You don’t have to like Windows to see that problem with the state of the Mac’s window management.
 
It’s garbage in every way except window management, which is what macOS is garbage at, but there are third party apps, such as Rectangle, which make this a non-issue. It’s just a bit of a joke when Apple finally decides to release something for window management, and it’s Stage Manager, which features the ability to compartmentalize messy windows that are still messy even after “organizing them” with still no snap functionality … which Windows has had for like 15 years. You don’t have to like Windows to see that problem with the state of the Mac’s window management.
What does "snap" do with the windows?
 
I don't know why Apple struggles so much with window management, even in macOS it feels like they have no idea what they're doing, window management is my #1 reason for considering going back to Windows. Using an iPad as a main computer doesn't look like it's something that Apple wants us to do, the hardware is there but the software is embarrassing and I can only assume it's on purpose.
I wonder how many “window” functions and features are trademark/copyright protected by Microsoft? That would be one of the few legitimate excuses for the cludgy workarounds.
 
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Interesting. I’ll wait and see what an M2 equipped iPad Pro will offer to get me to give up my 2018 Pro. If the multi monitor thing really works well with a variety of monitor manufacturers, I might just open my wallet…
 
What does "snap" do with the windows?
It "snaps" the window to different parts of the screen. For instance, you can snap windows to exact equal portions of the screen. So if you had two windows you can have two window take up the exact left and right halves of the screen without needing to manually resize anything. Windows also allows you to create exact positioning for workflows. Stage Manager allows position memorization, but the windows are all over the place. Sure, you could combine Stage Manager with a third-arty window management app, but then you run into the issue with the entire left part of the grouped windows disappearing entirely if you move the window too far left. It's seems like a really half-baked implementation.

I wonder how many “window” functions and features are trademark/copyright protected by Microsoft? That would be one of the few legitimate excuses for the cludgy workarounds.
I don't think there is. And if there is, it must be very minuscule, because there are quite a few apps on macOS that mimic Microsoft's window management functionality.
 
The only reason people say its good is beacuse they've learned how to use such crap over so many year.
That's cute, do you know Windows also has to support literally trillions of combinations of hardware & software/applications some dating back to the last century? Try doing that with Mac & see where it leads Apple!
 
Makes me want to go to the Apple website and order an iPad Pro but then the logical side of my brain kicks in and can't help but notice it would be a downgrade from my work process on my Macbook.
I consider this a very expensive upgrade, because apple demoing this with a larger Studio display connected to a M1 IPad with 128/256 for storage to act as a substitute for a Mac Laptop is a hard sell for most Apple consumers. I also have yet to see how this works without virtual swap on the M1 Air 64 GB model?
 
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eh? What are you taking about? Windows is absolute garbage. The only reason people say its good is beacuse they've learned how to use such crap over so many year.
Wanna be a little more particular about how Windows is "absolute garbage"?
 
Said no one ever. Window management on Mac blows away windows and has since 2003.
Okay look. macOS is my favorite OS. But if you think window management on Mac is better than Windows & Linux you're sorely mistaken. Windows has easy window snapping. macOS doesn't, it's window snapping makes half fullscreen instances. Windows also has a taskbar for every individual window, macOS doesn't.
 
Agreed with your second point, iPad is clearly not a main computer replacement yet. They’ll continue to pitch it as one, and maybe in a few years it will get there, but it is very definitely not there yet. As noted, this is entirely a software issue, as the hardware is on point.

Completely disagree with your first point though. Windows management is great on MacOS, and there are wonderful third party apps that will emulate everything Windows can do and more. Suggesting you’d switch back to Windows over this minor point is silly, since you can do everything on a Mac that you can do on windows, and more, from a windows management perspective.
I move between Windows at work and macOS at home, for certain tasks my productivity suffers in macOS with the windows mess. Like you said you need third party apps to do what Windows has built-in and don't even get me started with the close/minimise/maximise mess or dragging an item into another window - stuff that Windows does perfectly.

This is a pretty good breakdown of the window management mess in macOS:

 
I move between Windows at work and macOS at home, for certain tasks my productivity suffers in macOS with the windows mess. Like you said you need third party apps to do what Windows has built-in and don't even get me started with the close/minimise/maximise mess or dragging an item into another window - stuff that Windows does perfectly.

This is a pretty good breakdown of the window management mess in macOS:

Download Rectangle and have your happiness restored: https://rectangleapp.com/
 
It "snaps" the window to different parts of the screen. For instance, you can snap windows to exact equal portions of the screen. So if you had two windows you can have two window take up the exact left and right halves of the screen without needing to manually resize anything. Windows also allows you to create exact positioning for workflows. Stage Manager allows position memorization, but the windows are all over the place. Sure, you could combine Stage Manager with a third-arty window management app, but then you run into the issue with the entire left part of the grouped windows disappearing entirely if you move the window too far left. It's seems like a really half-baked implementation.


I don't think there is. And if there is, it must be very minuscule, because there are quite a few apps on macOS that mimic Microsoft's window management functionality.
You can do that on macOS to. 🤷‍♂️
 
Download Rectangle and have your happiness restored: https://rectangleapp.com/
I use magnet which I reckon is very similar (I would have thrown the macbook out the window without it) but I still find window management to be inferior, for example cascade windows is missing, shake window to reveal the desktop is missing and snap to the top will often reveal mission control instead of maximising the window.... plus the close, minimise and maximise behaviour drives me crazy, is super complicated and adds to the windows mess... plus I really don't like the fact that I should be using 2 different paid apps (magnet and Yoink) to do what Windows has built-in. Other than window management I borderline prefer macOS but damn this **** is frustrating.
 
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kudos to apple for trying something new, I can't wait to try to include stage manager in my workflow, at least on macOS. It totally makes sense having quick groups of app windows that can be easily glanced and switched.

People swear by Windows window management but other than efficient snapping feature its pretty terrible in everything else, you can't even alt tab on windows from the same app only like on macOS, if you have many different apps open its a nightmare, the taskbar gets confusing af and their mission control like feature is so sluggish to the point its useless, Windows will never have smooth transitions unless they rebuild it from the ground up. Id take macOS with magnet app any day.
You can't even alt-tab between different Safari windows on MacOS. You have to use a different keyboard combination when switching between two windows of the same application versus windows from different applications.
 
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Reading all of this, I wonder if people even know how to use and switch windows in macOS? 😆
When I first saw stage manager on the Mac running Ventura I thought of someone that would like to use this to produce and manage presentations with several applications. Thats al fine they offer this and the pretty much the same for M1 iPads that meet the requirements for stage manager and virtual cache to run. But all of this is taken for granted in MacOS. Everything has access to cache swap all the time to much larger storage and RAM. So perhaps your joke should have been directed to say "I wonder if people even know how too use and switch windows in iPadOS?" because that is what new and still needs to be perfected. :p
 
When I first saw stage manager on the Mac running Ventura I thought of someone that would like to use this to produce and manage presentations with several applications. Thats al fine they offer this and the pretty much the same for M1 iPads that meet the requirements for stage manager and virtual cache to run. But all of this is taken for granted in MacOS. Everything has access to cache swap all the time to much larger storage and RAM. So perhaps your joke should have been directed to say "I wonder if people even know how too use and switch windows in iPadOS?" because that is what new and still needs to be perfected. :p
After all this talk about how Windows is so much better than macOS for window managing, I completely forgot that this thread is about iPadOS.
 
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A listen between the iPad Pro and M2 MBA laptop comparing display & speaker quality starts at 2:58 time point.

Discussing stage manager at 8:00 time point. Various issues are documented during the length of this video.
 
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I don't know why Apple struggles so much with window management, even in macOS it feels like they have no idea what they're doing, window management is my #1 reason for considering going back to Windows. Using an iPad as a main computer doesn't look like it's something that Apple wants us to do, the hardware is there but the software is embarrassing and I can only assume it's on purpose.
i have to agree with this. Windows multi tasking is far better and I actually enjoy windows 11 for this (but not much else)
 
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