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Yeah, I don't know how much thought they put into multi-monitor setups with Lion. Especially since they like to tout all their Mac's abilities to support more than one. Every Mac can support more than one monitor now. Even the Mac mini! So you'd think they'd have a better plan for that. Like maybe each screen a different space or fullscreen app or something. I don't know. But I can see how it could be confusing to figure out from an intuition standpoint. It needs to "just work". But I can't think of how it could just work with the new paradigms.
Would having 2 full screen apps not go against the design of them.
My understanding here is that the full screen app is the only thing you want to work on and all others are hidden away so you can focus on that one task.
Thanks for a very nice effort.
But if we saw these things in a new windows os, we would likely brand them bloatware. It's like the Aero interface was in Windows- a resource hog.
Everything seems to be resource-hogging glitz instead of making the os work better with ram and multiple cores and improving power and productivity in a computer.
Some things even seem counter-intuitive, like the scroll bars.
Since the os is apparently designed for touch pad use, what's the big deal with scrollbars? The simpler way to navigate a window will be to use finger swipes or the wheel on a mouse, not trying to grab a tiny scroll bar at the edge of a window.
The improvements in snow leopard were about better use of power while this one seems obsessed with largely useless glitz that most people won't even bother to use, or will find that their computers suffer a performance hit trying to keep up with the gimmicks.
I completely agree with you. The whole full screen thing just doesn't fit well with most apps. Seeing iCal in full screen just looked funny. Mail.app in full screen just looked weird and seems pointless, specially on a 27 inch iMac. Most browsers already have a full screen option and I know no one who uses it. I really don't see it being used much except those with laptops that are 15 inchs and less with a small screen resolution. Anyone with a desktop/iMac I see it more at being an annoyance with most apps than a helpful feature. I think they should just remove the button and stick an option in the view or window menu to do full screen.
Address Book does look out of place. It doesn't fit in with the theme of the system. I like the fact that they are trying to update its UI, but at least make it match everything else.
I agree, Launch Pad seems to be absolutely pointless. It seems to be no different than putting the applications folder on the Dock and setting it to grid mode. Only difference really is that it takes up the entire screen and its background is fully transparent. Also, it seems to be harder to use if your not using a touchpad since it seems like the only way to go to the next page with a mouse is by clicking the little dot at the very bottom. Luckily we don't have to use it and can delete it.
Besides that, I am liking lion so far. The new features to finder are fantastic, and the same with spotlight. Mission control is really awesome and very useful. New mail apps looks really nice as well.
Though, has anyone done any tests to see out it performs, performance wise versus snow leopard? Like gaming results and such? Any noticeable fps increase in team fortress 2? StarCraft 2? Faster boot ups/ shutdowns? More responsive? Less resources/ the same?
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You are making it sound like scrollbars are new to Lion. They aren't new- HIDING them when the cursor isn't over them is. And just like Snow Leopard, finger swipes or mouse wheel DOES scroll up and down in the window. The scrollbars are there as a visual aid so you can see how far down the list of files you are
On to Launchpad, I fail to see the point of it if it doesn't directly work with the files and folders within the Applications folder (ie creating a folder in Launchpad creates that folder in the Apps folder, deleting an app in Launchpad moves it to the Trash, etc). So now we have Spotlight, the Dock, Launchpad, and the Applications folder itself (or shortcut of it on the dock) as choices to select an app. Far too many there, when the OS should be streamlined and cutting back on excess instead. As someone else pointed out, people used to the iPhone and iPad will assume removing an app from Launchpad will delete it, when all they are doing is removing it from Launchpad alone. It will only confuse.
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Strange that Quick Look has gained an application border, looks a bit windows 7 now. I like Apple's borderless apps, makes the UI look cleaner.
Loving everything else though!
Loving everything else though!
One full screen app per monitor or one full screen app and just the normal desktop would be useful here. blacking out one of the monitors because full screen only uses the primary display is much worse than the alternatives. I have a lot of little things i don't want blacked out which aren't distracting. What's the point in having all the extra screen real estate if the OS then limits its use.
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Why does it have to be groundbreaking? A secure, stable OS with a new direction of managing your desktop and running apps is surely welcome.
Ever since the GUI was implemented from a command line environment we have had a box with a screen, keyboard & mouse connected to it running an OS of choice. Yes things are improved, new ideas created and tried but it's still the same system. Groundbreaking would be to remove the mouse, keyboard & screen. Are we even close to that idea? No. I believe Apple are hybridising OSX & iOS, as they have said. So the public is familiar with all their products and philosophy.
BTW - I was only having a a laugh with you about the Dell stuff. Sorry it went pearshapped.
Computer; how do you say "I'm sorry in Spanish?"
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No **** Sherlock! Why would I want a Dell when Im a mac user? Just because Ive came on here and not went with the flow of blowing smoke up Lions ass doesnt mean Im not a happy Mac user. All I was saying is that for something thats taken so long to appear it isnt really groundbreaking is it. I mean lets not get carried away just because something is called Launchpad and there have been minor improvements in spotlight. Im sure it will be a stable OS but hardly innovative.
Why does it have to be groundbreaking? A secure, stable OS with a new direction of managing your desktop and running apps is surely welcome.
Ever since the GUI was implemented from a command line environment we have had a box with a screen, keyboard & mouse connected to it running an OS of choice. Yes things are improved, new ideas created and tried but it's still the same system. Groundbreaking would be to remove the mouse, keyboard & screen. Are we even close to that idea? No. I believe Apple are hybridising OSX & iOS, as they have said. So the public is familiar with all their products and philosophy.
BTW - I was only having a a laugh with you about the Dell stuff. Sorry it went pearshapped.
Computer; how do you say "I'm sorry in Spanish?"
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No, I am commenting on the ridiculous obsession with tiny, disappearing scrollbars in lion, when people will simply swipe or wheel scroll to navigate, and the obvious resource hit that will accompany the litter of icons across multiple screens and all of the spaces running concurrently.
There is a reason why most people don't bother with similar features in snow leopard.
And most worrying is that all the marketing hype is focused on this glitzy nonsense instead of showing us how it will be more powerful, stable and use the hardware better.
I agree. But Apple is trying to get those mainstream users front iOS. more user friendly. I won't use it. I haven't seen much of anything in lion that i'd use.
Glad you have for once something positive to say.
I don't think it should take years to figure out that "Youtube" is not a website for audiophiles or for that matter was launched to enjoy music.
You tube has been around for quite a while now.
So, your criticism of Youtube misses the point. Oh wait! Not the first time.
And yes again, you do criticize, but listen to music on youtube.
pity ......pity
Wondering why you don't make a link to that it is Apple's and Steve Jobs fault that Safari doesn't automatically play Youtube music in HQ lossless cd format.
Some nice things, some confusing things. It will be nice to see Lion with more fit and finish on it. Also, will be nice to see what Apple's holding back. They always seem to hold back something.
I just hope the migration is easy. Seems like there are so many UI changes that it could get overwhelming for the average user.
I just hope the migration is easy. Seems like there are so many UI changes that it could get overwhelming for the average user.
Bingo....it brings the OS X and iOS users together. For those of us who use the dock for our most frequent apps, we will not use launchpad much; to entice new users who own iOS devices, the familiarity is a selling point. They may graduate from launchpad, but it does make for a more seamless transition to a Mac...I'm sure there will be ads about it...
Touchy Feely
Someone said this early and I agree with them, that it appears Lion is "training" us how to use OS X (XI) as a touch based interface. Some of the things in the video seemed a little awkward (or pointless) to do with a mouse, but a finger, yes a finger would be much better.
Lion is king of the jungle, there is nothing above it. Could this be the last version of OS X before the touched based Mac OS (XI) arrives?
I'm just rambling. Need coffee.
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Someone said this early and I agree with them, that it appears Lion is "training" us how to use OS X (XI) as a touch based interface. Some of the things in the video seemed a little awkward (or pointless) to do with a mouse, but a finger, yes a finger would be much better.
Lion is king of the jungle, there is nothing above it. Could this be the last version of OS X before the touched based Mac OS (XI) arrives?
I'm just rambling. Need coffee.
D.
Thank you for the videos Jasoco! (I really like the music in them by the way, ignore what others say, its nice to see others who like movie soundtracks).
Some of the features I am excited about is:
1. Mission Control. I am a multitask monster who uses a lot of spaces and such this is a nice upgrade from Expose.
2. Group in Finder. This is a huge convenience even if it is just small. I generate a ton of files in the work I do and this is a nice feature to help me quickly group everything. (I know people will say "But can't you make a folder before hand and save everything in it??" Well, we all work differently and sometimes I don't know where the files I make will be grouped.)
3. Versions. This is great too! This would be very nice in XCode where sometimes I will have large sections of code commented incase something doesn't work right I can copy it back in. With versions, I wouldn't have to worry about that.
I'm really excited about this and I really enjoyed the videos. Too bad I have to wait until programs like Maya, Photoshop, Houdini, ZBrush, Corel Painter, Unity, and a few others are compatible with Lion before upgrading
So much bragging So little content...
Spaces can be handy - group similar programs. For example, when I have to run a VM, I use it full screen in a different space from where I run the Mac programs. I find it easier to switch spaces - just my preference.
Full screen is great for some programs like photo editing, movie editing, CAD, etc. The more screen devoted to the editor, the better. iCal going full screen? I'll pass on that one.