Poor, poor anand..
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Precisely. So many people have such a narrow idea of anything outside their little world lol
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Waiting for Anand's Haswell rMBP Review Megathread
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Poor, poor anand..
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Precisely. So many people have such a narrow idea of anything outside their little world lol
Your love of arguing over semantics in these forums has come through yet again. You have to be one of the most prolific - and useless - posters in the MacBook Pro forum. Unfortunately, you have little to offer except for playing games with words. To be more specific, consider expectations being "too high" versus "out of kilter". Really?
In any event, and despite your apparent review of many many threads and comments/posts in a large number of them, you fail to recognize what most people in the sub-forum are looking for. You truly review these threads within your own personal view of how things should be. You struggle with understanding other points of view. For example, I highly doubt that most people waiting for this review are doing so out of a desire to build up "a repository of long-term knowledge." If that is your purpose, then fine. But you are in the minority.
In the face of your track record, I'll give you anther example with the (likely ridiculous) hope that you will understand and consider it. Think of all of the threads about how much RAM to get in the MacBook Pro. There were so many threads that people complained about them. You had your view. But many other had their own views and their own questions. It was clearly a hot topic for debate. Perhaps "one of the most authoritative, capable, and qualified hardware/software tech review sites" could have shed some light on that issue. They haven't. Setting aside people with a specific concern or issue/problem with a currently owned product (of which this pending review will likely provide zero assistance) many come here for assistance with a specific purchase.
Perhaps you wouldn't have chosen to respond to my post if I would have just agreed with your post on December 22, 2013 which said, in relevant part, "it's also the case that if something comes out too late, it's not even worth doing and potentially is a negative with respect to credibility. They're [Anand's website] pretty close to that inflection point."
Then again, when your motivation is to argue and play games with words, two contradictory posts would not be a concern.
That's not semantics; it was me trying to be nice and slightly charitable. But let me be a little more blunt. If you were expecting a review of a very incremental update to make or break your purchase decision—especially in light of there being a comprehensive review of the first iteration—then the problem was your own.
My background is in market research, so I actually have a pretty good idea of what people are looking for. It varies, but some of the objectives include an outlet for frustration and an axe to grind. I have neither of those. Instead, I offer thoughtful critiques and evidence-based reasoning, and when answering questions (usually posed by new people), I answer them comprehensively.
Your name calling aside, I've had several users—many of whom are new—PM me to say thanks for my contributions and to ask my advice. I've replied to 100% of those requests. That kind of kills your argument about my being "useless." Name-calling, however, is quite useless.
I understand them just fine. But, I'm not going to indulge someone who chooses to ignore evidence or logic.
Wow, where to begin? First off, I didn't assert anything about what the majority or minority wants. You did, and I'll note that you lacked any evidence to support your claim. Second, common sense suggests that your argument is fundamentally flawed. Really, do you honestly believe that there's a swelling mass of people who remain on the fence about buying a Haswell rMBP over two months after its introduction who will decide to buy or not buy based on a single review of—and I say it again, because it's extremely relevant here—an incremental update? If you do, I have a bridge to sell you.
I did? I'm pretty sure my view was, "it's situational." I'm pretty sure that Anand would say the exact same thing. The threads were pointless because (a) there were too many of them; (b) they largely lacked the specificity and information needed to answer the questions; and (c) people had a habit of projecting their own use cases onto the person asking the question. Also, I find it ironic that you use this as your example of a relevant issue just one paragraph after you accuse me of bringing "my own personal view" into discussions. Too funny.
Nice try, but there's nothing contradictory at all. There's a difference between marketing and function. There's a difference between credibility and utility. Need I go on?
Turns out there are others who were waiting for this review to help make a decision. Maybe I'm not the only one with this "problem".
Pot, meet kettle.
I never contended that no one is waiting on the review. I, however, went ahead and bought one weeks ago during the $250 off sales. I suspect many other people did the same. That post you quoted is, amusingly, nearly two months ago. You know, back when it would have been fresh. You know, back when people hadn't posted benchmarks. You know, including the thread I created here where I asked people to post their benchmarks.
I'm not quite sure what you're so upset about. Are you alone for Christmas or something? If so, I'm sorry.
Unless you have commissioned Anand to write the review (in which case you should take it up with him rather than whine here), I can't see how anyone feels entitled for any review to be completed and released by some arbitrarily decided deadline.
He is under no obligation to release anything. If you don't like it, then stop visiting his website and generating web clicks.
If Anand is here following this thread, I would tell him to ignore the whiners here and release those articles whenever he feels they are ready. So what if it has already been 2 months. He can take 6 months for all he cares and nobody seriously has any right to criticize him!
He is under no obligation to release anything. If you don't like it, then stop visiting his website and generating web clicks.
If Anand is here following this thread, I would tell him to ignore the whiners here and release those articles whenever he feels they are ready. So what if it has already been 2 months. He can take 6 months for all he cares and nobody seriously has any right to criticize him!
If I were you I'd completely disregard posts for the sole purpose of iniating quarrel supported with questionable claims, research and credentials as if they make ANY SINGLE difference.
Anand has not published the review by X-mas, let down some/many people especially in light of his co-worker's intial statement that he expects the review would be published before X-mas. From this point on and considering his last comment that the review can be pushed to mid-January due to CES, I think the discussion in this thread needs to be isolated solely to the news about when the review would be published such as by sharing his tweets or his co-workers' future comments (though unlikely) in this regard posted here or there. After all this as-of-today-13-paged thread is titled "Waiting for Anand's Haswell rMBP Review Megathread where no comparable thread regarding anybody else's review exists out there, which, IMHO, substantiates that the expectations for the review is "to a certain extent" high and "certain extent of people" will be basing their buying decision on this review. Regardless, it does not help AT ALL to repeatedly argue the amount of such "extent"s when opportunity rises such as not "many but only a few people are interested" or "expecations are not 'too' high".
I don't believe I've ever posted here before, but I do follow the "drama" occasionally. My opinion, and please take it with a grain of salt, is that, quite simply, he will release the review when he's ready. I would rather read an in-depth, thorough and insightful review posted mid-January than a mediocre one with little new information (for example, CNET) published by the day I want.
It seems this thread has dissolved into arguments over when he will post the review and why he hasn't already. Instead, perhaps we could return to more fruitful and less antagonizing discussion, such as predictions on the review, stories of the 15 rMBP's capability, etc.
It seems this thread has dissolved into arguments over when he will post the review and why he hasn't already. Instead, perhaps we could return to more fruitful and less antagonizing discussion, such as predictions on the review, stories of the 15 rMBP's capability, etc.
I woke up this morning no review. I understand your point but no one else provides the info that he does I use them to make buying and upgrading decisions.
Unfortunately, we've tried this, but it hasn't worked. Some folks want to be upset about not getting what they want, when they want it, without even giving much thought to why they want it. (Since it's Christmas, I have to say it's reminiscent of a petulant child who wakes up today and throws a temper tantrum because they didn't get the presents they wanted, as if they were entitled.)
The thing is, there's already enough of a body of evidence out there on the capability of the machine, and I don't think anyone could possibly guess which specific issues Anand will choose to dedicate sub-sections to (other than the obvious model changes). And, since even Anand can't guess what the future holds in terms of a Broadwell rMBP, at this point the review probably won't influence a ton of buyers one way or the other.
As such, I think any "fruitful" discussion at this point is hopeless. Most of the posts are between people who are typing with emotion and people who are typing with logic, evidence, and reason. Those two camps seldom work things out. (And, I just went back and found where Hitch08 developed his axe to grind with me in late October—so I think there's even more than that going on here.)
This thread has become troll fodder and probably ought to be perma-locked.
Ironically enough, given that we're discussing when a review of a computer will be posted online. It seems counterintuitive to me that there would be much room for emotion in this, but evidence (the pages of this thread and the necessity for a "cool down period") indicates otherwise.
Ha, you raise an excellent point. However, when you think about it, it kind of makes sense. Apple's marketing has always been based on an emotional appealthat you're buying more than just another electronics product. Heck, all the threads and posts from people who are upset about tiny imperfections that don't impede functionality at all speak to exactly that point. In that context, I'm not surprised that some emotion is bleeding over here.
I personally don't much care when the review comes out, although I think if it's much past mid-January, it might be the sort of thing they put on the shelf. At that point, you'd be at least a third and maybe even close to halfway into the product's life cycle, and I can't fathom (a) Anand et al. ignoring that, but also (b) Anand et al. sugar coating it either. From a marketing perspective, that's almost a lose-lose situation, so I can only hope that there's (c) some other reason for the delay (aside from schedule and travel) that makes everyone say, "Ahhh, that makes sense."
But I suspect the real answer is that it's just not that interesting of a product.
Ive read elsewhere incl I think the MP forum on here, that an aspect missing from this logic, is sustained performance. i.e. a laptop will throttle back whereas a well designed desktop will not. whether the word 'will' should be replaced by 'may' in the above sentence, i'm not qualified to say.
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I do not disagree with this assessment. And it's true that geekbench is a sprint not a marathon. But the question is, does your workload demand the CPU be pegged 100% for extended periods? - The only scenario I can think of that would do that is exporting video or transcoding video. But I cannot think the same thing when doing music production or image work. It all depends on what you're doing.
Probably wouldn't because its heatsink is much larger. My 3930K in my desktop system doesn't throttle itself at all, even at 4.8GHz. Desktop cooling is always going to be better than notebooks cause of the room dedicated to the cooling.
Base mac pro cpu doesn't even turbo boost till it hits 1 core
http://www.marco.org/2013/11/26/new-mac-pro-cpus
I don't see why people are behaving exteremely surprised despite continuously following the thread. After all the thread is titled " Waiting for Anand's Haswell rMBP Review Megathread" and it is very normal to inquiry about updates.
Speaking of updates, I recommend that you follow Anand's twitter where he yesterday commented the following regarding Mac Pro review: "I fully expected it to be done by now but couldnt bring myself to work through xmas. I hope to finish by late tonight". Considering he had previously stated that he works on the Mac Pro review in tandem with the rMBP review, it seems to me that it is quite likely he will be publishing the reviews today or tomorrow if not in a couple of days.
No, a well designed (and assembled) laptop will not throttle, either.
There are numerous threads and posts I've made demonstrating this.
I've not read those threads afaik.
I'd think that given that design is about trade offs (amongst other things) then a laptop manufacturer might choose a design that allows a degree of throttling to maximise other aspects of their design.
Alternatively if as you say above, they decided to ensure that throttling never happens, then other aspects of the design will be be constrained by that choice.
I don't think it's fair to say that the first option is automatically not well designed - just that a different set of criteria will have been prioritised above avoiding throttling performance in any scenario.
Some aspects that spring to mind are - laptop size, level of fan noise, case materials, acceptable case temperature...
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