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Quu said:
I'm really hoping they include 802.11ac because I picked up an Asus 802.11ac router late last year and I'm all set. I already use Time Machine over WiFi and it would work a lot faster over ac.

And obviously I'm picking up a new rMBP when they release em.
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Yes you have a ac router but what about your internet? you have to have an internet and a router to see the difference. One without other don't work
 
Serban said:
Yes you have a ac router but what about your internet? you have to have an internet and a router to see the difference. One without other don't work
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Serban, did you even read my post? I want 802.11ac for the home network speed improvement. Not internet based speed improvements.

Time Machine backups to my home server over 802.11ac, not to a server over the internet.

But even if we are talking internet, I have a 100Mb internet line (download speed) and on 802.11n on my current MacBook Pro I only get 70Mb on speed tests. When connected directly via Ethernet I get 103Mb/s (My ISP over-provisions their 100Mb service slightly to meet regulatory requirements). And next year I can get 300Mb here, then the following year 1Gb.

So for me 802.11ac would allow me to get my full 100Mb at more than 5 inches from my router.
 
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Purant said:
It's going to be a minor spec bump. There usually aren't any rumors for those.
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I don't understand why you call it a minor spec bump. It's a new processor, a huge GPU bump, the 802.11ac wifi thing and it's a true 2nd generation rMBP. What they did in February, THAT was a minor spec bump. Is it only because it's not a new design that you are calling it a minor spec bump?

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Serban said:
Yes you have a ac router but what about your internet? you have to have an internet and a router to see the difference. One without other don't work
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What you say is true and I believe there are some people out there that don't know this. But it's my understanding that at very least the 802.11ac will increase range
 
I think it is possible we may see some minor changes to the physical design.

For example when they first announced the MacBook Pro's in 2006 they later altered that design slightly with regards to the pin hole for the camera activity light. Instead of having a hole they just made the metal there very thin so the light would shine through when active.

Then again in 2008 when they launched the first Unibody MacBook Pros they had removable batteries with a small door and a release handle. In the 2009 refresh they removed that whole system.

Now obviously both of these are minor changes but they happened within the first year of a new "design" just fixing/altering the designs. We may see something similar on the new Retina's - Not saying it's a lock just it's not out of the question as they've done it twice previously.

adjeff8 said:
What you say is true and I believe there are some people out there that don't know this. But it's my understanding that at very least the 802.11ac will increase range
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He is completely wrong. The internet speed does not affect 802.11ac performance at all. People need to remember that WiFi is a home-networking wireless standard. It is not an internet standard, the speed of your internet does not affect the speed of your home network. 802.11ac is designed to offer home networks up-to 1.3Gb/s of bandwidth. This is not just to connect your computers to the internet, it is for streaming video, doing wireless backups, transferring files between your computers etc

If it was just for internet most of us would have been fine on just 802.11g
 
yes you are right but it is nice to have 100mbs/sec..so you will have all the goodies when wifi ac come out
 
adjeff8 said:
I don't understand why you call it a minor spec bump. It's a new processor, a huge GPU bump, the 802.11ac wifi thing and it's a true 2nd generation rMBP. What they did in February, THAT was a minor spec bump. Is it only because it's not a new design that you are calling it a minor spec bump?
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I'm under the impression that all improvements fall into the 10-20% faster category. That's minor in my book. But in all fairness, if we compare it to February's refresh, let's call this one a "mild" spec bump. Deal? :)

Either way, I was replying to someone wondering why there aren't a lot of leaks for this release, and I said that usually, for such... "revisions" there aren't really a lot of leaks. Usually we have leaks when the casing changes or there are major changes.

To conclude: I'm not saying the update is going to be insignificant, just not as big a deal as when there are complete redesigns of a model.
 
Keeping it simple, here's what I expect.

* Most likely, performance increase range between 1-20%.
* I somehow doubt there'll be a massive jump in graphics performance on the discrete GPU. The integrated will probably get a healthy boost in performance.
* I'd also love 512GB as default flash storage. However, Apple is never generous just for the sake of being generous and I was even surprised they had 256GB as default last year. I'd feel lucky if they lowered the price of the 512GB upgrade.

Hopefully this computer will last longer than my Air (screen broke within warranty and Apple refused to fix it) and my MacBook Pro (started crashing at GPU switch after warranty). I'll buy it at launch and we'll see what happens - setting expectations at the levels I specified above so I won't be disappointed.
 
fratey said:
Keeping it simple, here's what I expect.

* Most likely, performance increase range between 1-20%.
* I somehow doubt there'll be a massive jump in graphics performance on the discrete GPU. The integrated will probably get a healthy boost in performance.
* I'd also love 512GB as default flash storage. However, Apple is never generous just for the sake of being generous and I was even surprised they had 256GB as default last year. I'd feel lucky if they lowered the price of the 512GB upgrade
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On the money on the performance increase!
What I want to know is if Haswell is all of what it say it is, will we see a battery performance increase? I think that is possible major benefit not mentioned much in this thread.
 
Purant said:
I'm under the impression that all improvements fall into the 10-20% faster category. That's minor in my book. But in all fairness, if we compare it to February's refresh, let's call this one a "mild" spec bump. Deal? :)

Either way, I was replying to someone wondering why there aren't a lot of leaks for this release, and I said that usually, for such... "revisions" there aren't really a lot of leaks. Usually we have leaks when the casing changes or there are major changes.

To conclude: I'm not saying the update is going to be insignificant, just not as big a deal as when there are complete redesigns of a model.
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I'll have to agree with you regarding your Leaks theory. But this is no minor spec bump. The CPU is supposed to be a 10% speed increase. That's pretty minor, but what does one expect? The thing is so damn fast already, I don't know if we will really ever see a "Major" jump there. But the GPU (Graphics) bump is reportedly a 100% bump for the 15" which will sport the 5200 Iris. In the real world this means 80%, which is HUGE. This is the GPU that was made to support the retina display, should have never releases the retina without it. That's what I mean by True 2nd Generation. 1st generation Apple products are always half baked. Or 3 Quarters baked. Anyways, we will find out the TRUE facts on June 10. Can't wait
 
adjeff8 said:
But the GPU (Graphics) bump is reportedly a 100% bump for the 15" which will sport the 5200 Iris. In the real world this means 80%, which is HUGE.
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No it is not. If Apple switch to integrated graphics only for the 15" model it will be a downgrade. The 650M will still be significantly faster than the Iris Pro
 
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thunng8 said:
No it is not. If Apple switch to integrated graphics only for the 15" model it will be a downgrade. The 650M will still be significantly faster than the Iris Pro
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I don't think they will drop the dedicated GPU. It would not make logical sense.
 
Serban said:
would be very nice combo hd 5000 or 5200 with 650M...for 15"macbook pro
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It will definitely be a combo (providing they choose to keep a discrete graphics card in the 15", which is a highly likely outcome), just like the current ones which feature Intel HD 4000 and NVIDIA GeForce GT 650m to perform automatic graphic switching.
 
I am so much looking forward to getting a MacBook when Haswell comes!

Still not sure if I am getting a 13 inch rMBP or 13 inch MBA though. Leaning towards the rMBP because of the supposedly better built quality and more ports.
 
adjeff8 said:
But the GPU (Graphics) bump is reportedly a 100% bump for the 15" which will sport the 5200 Iris. In the real world this means 80%, which is HUGE.
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From what intel is saying, the 5200 performance is on par with a 650m. 650m is what the macbook pro already has. The 750m is 10% faster than the 650m. Apple will not have a discreet and an integrated graphics card the perform about the same.

My guess is they will put the lower end 5000 iris in the macbook pro (much less power consumption, which is what you want for an integrated gpu) and have the 750m as a discreet GPU. So a 10% performance increase.

If they put the 5200, then it makes sense to lose the discreet gpu, which will be interesting, but it will mean that there will be not much of a performance difference.
 
Purant said:
From what intel is saying, the 5200 performance is on par with a 650m. 650m is what the macbook pro already has. The 750m is 10% faster than the 650m. Apple will not have a discreet and an integrated graphics card the perform about the same.

My guess is they will put the lower end 5000 iris in the macbook pro (much less power consumption, which is what you want for an integrated gpu) and have the 750m as a discreet GPU. So a 10% performance increase.

If they put the 5200, then it makes sense to lose the discreet gpu, which will be interesting, but it will mean that there will be not much of a performance difference.
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Don't forget that the 750m is only 10% faster than a stock 650m. Apple doesn't use a stock 650m in the Retina MacBook Pro. Its core clock is increased and it uses 1GB of GDDR5 memory and not the 512MB of GDDR3 that a stock 650m ships with.

For all we know Apple could include the 760m. We are just guessing at this point with no data about what GPU they may or may not use.
 
Early 2011 MacBook Pro 15.4

Hi guys!

Im looking forward to Haswell! I currently have an Early 2011 MacBook Pro 15" 2.0 Ghz i7 Core, 8gb Ram, Intel HD Graphics 3000 512 MB. I am planning on purchasing a rMBP 15" once they are released with the Haswell processors.

Can anyone tell me if I will see a dramatic difference in performance from both a CPU and GPU standpoint? I know I will see some improvement, just unsure how much of a "noticeable" increase one would see being that this is a 2nd gen processor compared to Haswell which is a 4th gen processor.

Gotta LOVE these forums :)

Thanks!!
 
Purant said:
From what intel is saying, the 5200 performance is on par with a 650m. 650m is what the macbook pro already has. The 750m is 10% faster than the 650m. Apple will not have a discreet and an integrated graphics card the perform about the same.
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Latest intel slides indicate they are aiming for gt 640m performance, not 650m.

http://www.nordichardware.com/Graph...-amds-and-nvidias-mobile-budget-graphics.html

In any case, even if they go integrated only, my guess is that it might be only for the entry level 15" model as the fastest CPU speed offered with the iris pro is 2.4ghz. Haswell paired with the hd4600 can go up 2.8ghz.
 
thunng8 said:
No it is not. If Apple switch to integrated graphics only for the 15" model it will be a downgrade. The 650M will still be significantly faster than the Iris Pro
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I read so many conflicting things, most of this talk is beyond me anyways. I'll just have to wait for the announcement, release and tear down then have you guys explain it to me. One thing that is for sure, it'll be a world apart from my 2009 15" duo core MBP, which spends most of its time displaying the rainbow circle of death
 
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