I feel the same way... I still hope for an update tomorrow
fingers crossed , the faster they come out the faster I can get a refurb
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fingers crossed , the faster they come out the faster I can get a refurb
Alright you win with all of your charts and references
But that is not to say WiFi AC wont be useful for most people. Not everyone is working with ideal conditions and an upgrade is an upgrade. In this case it will be future proofing as well.
I for one hope there is not going to be a silent upgrade after the earnings call. Cos tbh I'm still hoping for bigger improvements then just CPU, WiFi and SSD to the rMBP.
I'm not saying that its extremely likely that we will get things like IGZO or a more slimmed down design.
But improvements like that feels like they would not be just pushed out with a silent release. They would come from a event.
So im still hoping.
Even if some think its just a pipe dream
That's something I haven't heard. Many of us see this is as a big upgrade.
TB2 just allows channels to run in parallel. How is that more Apple like than using displayport 1.2 extensions?
Alright you win with all of your charts and references
But that is not to say WiFi AC wont be useful for most people. Not everyone is working with ideal conditions and an upgrade is an upgrade. In this case it will be future proofing as well.
future proofing is nonsense for those who switch macs every 2-3 years, IMO
AC routers are still more expensive than N routers, by the time AC routers reach affordable level, High-End N routers would be as cheap as hell.
future proofing is nonsense for those who switch macs every 2-3 years, IMO
AC routers are still more expensive than N routers, by the time AC routers reach affordable level, High-End N routers would be as cheap as hell.
3 Years is a fairly long time, and not everyone switched macs 2-3 years. I still have a 4+ year old white mac that my parents now use as a desktop. If you look through a lot of threads actually people still have powerpc macs.
People will still benefit from mac to mac transfer and iPhone syncs.
My thinking.... Apple was an early adopter of TB which enhanced their TB Cinema Display capabilities. Apple is geared to end-to-end solutions thru out their product range (e.g. Apple eco-sphere). Apple does not architect solutions for other manufactures hardware. Although Haswell chipset may support Display Port 1.2 extensions, Apple's solution will be TB2 4K Cinema Display complimented with their TB2 capable Macs......
Incoming massive negativity on various arguments suggesting Apple has to or will wait a couple months.
*Intel's Haswell chips have just recently been released, whereas Ivy Bridge was released in April of last year. rMBPs were announced in early June, at WWDC last year. While shipments were slow to trickle out, that was due to other component shortages. With this upcoming release, that won't be an issue.
No, I don't see how that is "logical." If everything else is set to go (i.e., plenty of supply of components, fabrication process updated and ready to roll), waiting months--and therefore losing tons of sales--on a feature that only a minority of users care about and even more important that can simply be rolled into the next revision circa the early 2014 release makes no logical sense at all.
I keep seeing this argument, but I don't understand it at all. Just because recent history hasn't seen August releases doesn't really mean anything. It's like the usual disclaimer about stock and fund performance: past performance does not predict future returns. Every situation is different. What makes this particular situation relevant is that:If no update by the end of this month I'd expect it in either Sept or Oct. According to the buyers guide Apple has never updated any of its products in Aug.
*Intel's Haswell chips have just recently been released, whereas Ivy Bridge was released in April of last year. rMBPs were announced in early June, at WWDC last year. While shipments were slow to trickle out, that was due to other component shortages. With this upcoming release, that won't be an issue.
Why? rMBPs were introduced last year running Mountain Lion. The OS really isn't a huge deal. Keep in mind that, as has been confirmed here, Apple is seed testing 10.8.5, and has been for a while. That testing is probably very close to done. It wouldn't be at all crazy to have that come out parallel to this release.
You don't think a giant improvement across the board in performance and battery life is a big improvement? Man, I thought I was a perfectionist.
indeed, which is why if you're going to use it more than 3 years ... then futureproofing make sense for your buying decisions
future proofing is nonsense for those who switch macs every 2-3 years, IMO
AC routers are still more expensive than N routers, by the time AC routers reach affordable level, High-End N routers would be as cheap as hell.
The big advantage of 802.11ac is the improved signal strength, which would extend wireless coverage. That certainly has real-world applications and alone justifies the 'future-proofing' consideration. Once these chips make their way into most mainstream models, inexpensive routers will follow shortly thereafter. I suspect you'll have <$50 ac routers in about a year. Again, most people won't take advantage of the speed, just the coverage.
I'm not sure about that though.
The coverage depends largely on the power output of the router, some routers have options to boost transmit power such as Buffalo's WZRG300NH ( its old, but really powerful at its class ) to increase range.
The only technology that i know about 802.11ac that improves signal ( != coverage ) is the beamforming.
as for coverage, both N and AC uses the same 5Ghz freq range ... which translates to roughly the same range ...
I'd like to learn about the power output, especially from the client network cards. because, the coverage would be redundant without having a client that has equal / more power to send requests back to the router.
if anybody remember about the 802.11a vs 802.11b ... the A uses 5GHz, very good range but horrible throughput ... the B which is the successor of A uses 2.4Ghz, terrible range but very good speeds ( at its time )
I for one hope there is not going to be a silent upgrade after the earnings call. Cos tbh I'm still hoping for bigger improvements then just CPU, WiFi and SSD to the rMBP.
I'm not saying that its extremely likely that we will get things like IGZO or a more slimmed down design.
But improvements like that feels like they would not be just pushed out with a silent release. They would come from a event.
So im still hoping.
Even if some think its just a pipe dream
Apple has released completely redesigned Macs before via website updates before:
- 2009 iMac (switched to unibody design with edge-to-edge glass, and introduced 27" model for first time)
- Unibody polycarbonate white Macbook
- Unibody aluminum Mac Mini
Ok, now I believe it: The stock retina model:
This used to be "available immediately" in each area store. All stores are open now. This is the stock model!
Edit: What I did was put it in the cart and actually proceed to guest checkout, and check the availability there. You get more information that way.
Edit 2: As childoftheko4n pointed out below, it seems that other models are also "ships to store" now, so this might not be a hint after all.
This used to be "available immediately" in each area store. All stores are open now. This is the stock model!
Edit: What I did was put it in the cart and actually proceed to guest checkout, and check the availability there. You get more information that way.
Edit 2: As childoftheko4n pointed out below, it seems that other models are also "ships to store" now, so this might not be a hint after all.
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Wow, seems like supply is drying up. All rMBP models seem to be ship-to-store for my Zip as well. (And a several other random ones that I picked from across the US. TN, WI, KS, TX, MT, CA, AZ)
This would almost set a precedent for a nearly leak-less release.
I would get excited...but i am seeing the same thing for almost all inventory? Just check MBA and same, not available until another week for pickup..
Omg you are right... damn it, and I really thought this was a solid hint.
I still don't understand why base 13" Air says 7/29 for pickup in stores though...
I don't believe Apple's Canadian retail site has any "ship to store" option (could be wrong), but I think the speculating based on shipping times, etc should stop.
Seems like people are just getting themselves worked up over any little thing at this point, though I guess it is better than the previous arguing.
At any rate, if I ordered a stock MBA and a rMBP today, the rMBP would be delivered before the Air, so who knows what any of that means. Probably best to not try and connect the dots.
Seems like people are just getting themselves worked up over any little thing at this point, though I guess it is better than the previous arguing.
At any rate, if I ordered a stock MBA and a rMBP today, the rMBP would be delivered before the Air, so who knows what any of that means. Probably best to not try and connect the dots.
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