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What are we expecting to come out of this "50% more battery life" rumor?

Hell, even a modest 15-20 percent increase would be absolutely amazing - i'd even take a 0 percent increase on CPU power for that as it still matches my desktop Nehalem i5 processor (which has been serving me very well)
 
What are we expecting to come out of this "50% more battery life" rumor?

Hell, even a modest 15-20 percent increase would be absolutely amazing - i'd even take a 0 percent increase on CPU power for that as it still matches my desktop Nehalem i5 processor (which has been serving me very well)

pretty much this

This thread will summarize the enormous effort and complex steps taken by Intel and manufacturers to get the power savings Haswell will achieve.

(IMPORTANT!!: Most of the power saving techniques only apply to Ultrabook, meaning U-series and Y-series chips)

Few years ago, an information about a future chip called Haswell was released, and one of the statements were that it had REVOLUTIONARY power management.

3 steps taken to save power in Haswell(ULT/Y):

1. New super low CPU and Package C-states, C8/C9/C10, only for (ULT/Y)
2. An Intel-created framework called Power Optimizer to manage interrupts between devices
3. Collaboration with numerous hardware vendors to achieve lower power, and enable low power states


#1 explained: Current CPUs, when they say "idle", really mean critical chips are idle. Modern chips like Ivy Bridge and Haswell don't only contain CPU cores. For Haswell, there's the CPU cores, the GPU subsystems, the L3 cache, the memory controller, the System Agent(Power Control Unit or PCU/I/O connections, Router), which are all connected by the Ring Bus.

In Ivy Bridge, basically only CPU and GPU can go idle. They'll consume very little power(mWatts), but rest of the chip will be on. The reason? It's because various devices in a computer and I/O have to wake up the chip once in a while. That means part of the chip has to be "ready". All Haswell chips decouple the Ring Bus and L3 cache from the core, so the core can be asleep when GPU needs the ring bus for example. In Haswell ULT, C8/C9/C10 allows it to turn off everything.

#2 will explain how #1 is done. Contrary to what most people think, the lowest power state on the 17W Ivy Bridge CPU is at 2.2W. That means at C7 power state.

Basically, you have software/firmware/OS doing "burst" on interrupts, so it can save up and do it all at once, rather than waking up the CPU very often for just one device. It's called "Interrupt Coalescing". Every interrupt by every device is done at same time if possible. Intel created a range of specifications, and hardware called Power Optimizer to achieve this. Every device is required to follow "LTR" or Latency Tolerant Report. It basically means it tells the Power Optimizer how long it can sleep until the next interrupt. Every device really means every device. Touchscreen controllers, keyboard controllers, CPU, GPU, PCH, sensors(GPS, NFC, Cameras, etc), System Memory, Hard drive, PCI Express, USB 2/3, etc.

Even the Operating System, and this is where Windows 8 comes in. Windows 7 used to periodically poll for interrupts, Windows 8 takes it away. It only polls it when a device needs it. Because time between interrupts are longer, the CPU(and rest of devices) can go into deeper power states. The reason this is so important, is because going in and out of different power C-states actually takes time. Frequent transitions may even cause it to use more power.

#3 Devices get new power states as well. Storage subsystems like SATA SSDs get Runtime D3, which is effectively "off". You have intermediate states like Slumber, which wakes up faster, and uses considerably more power, but still much less than traditional SATA sleep. Again, ALL devices get more, and lower power states. The power delivery system will get better as well with much better efficiencies in the low power region.

Smaller effect on power reduction is due to the integrated Voltage Regulator, which will make switching between states and frequencies faster, and a TDP level that goes from current 17W + 3-3.6W PCH, to 15W(and from 13W + 3W to 11.5W on Y). There's also Panel Self Refresh(PSR) which allows display to be refreshed without requiring signal from the platform. That will save display power when display isn't changing much.
 
What do we think the chances are of the 13" Retina Pro using the "IRIS PRO" Haswell, IE with 128mb edram on package?

That would be a very sexy notebook!
 
What do we think the chances are of the 13" Retina Pro using the "IRIS PRO" Haswell, IE with 128mb edram on package?

That would be a very sexy notebook!

good question. If they did I would instantly buy one!
But as far as I know Intel only announced 2 chips with IRIS Pro. Both are quad cores and 47W. This means Apple would have to put quadcores in a 13 inch for the first time and exceed the current TDP by more than 10W.

I'd say it's not very likely
 
It can be done if they will keep the clasic macbook pro line with dual core and quad core combinations like macbook air and for retina macbook pro all solid state drive all 8 GB ram like it is now and all quad core
 
It can be done if they will keep the clasic macbook pro line with dual core and quad core combinations like macbook air and for retina macbook pro all solid state drive all 8 GB ram like it is now and all quad core

It cannot be done without vast improvements in the thermal system including the heatsink. Also, 13" MacBook Air quad-core? Not for at least a few years.
 
It can be done if they will keep the clasic macbook pro line with dual core and quad core combinations like macbook air and for retina macbook pro all solid state drive all 8 GB ram like it is now and all quad core

there is no chance in hell that the regular mbp 13 can take a quad
 
I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but I wonder if they'll upgrade the storage options in the new rMBP. 1TB anyone? :p Would be at least a little more reasonable to charge 400 extra dollars for that than the current 768gb option. Actually, just bringing the prices down on the current options would probably be best from my point of view. But this is Apple, so I won't get my hopes up.
 
there is no chance in hell that the regular mbp 13 can take a quad

retina macbook pro 13" could have quad core,but i prefer that they stay cold and not like now. i love how they do it first with iphone 5, lately with the iMacs , now it is time with MacBooks. I think a macbook that is heavy use to have at the maximum 80 celsius it is ok and a more pleasure user experience.
 
retina macbook pro 13" could have quad core,but i prefer that they stay cold and not like now. i love how they do it first with iphone 5, lately with the iMacs , now it is time with MacBooks. I think a macbook that is heavy use to have at the maximum 80 celsius it is ok and a more pleasure user experience.

I know that Im the one posting graphs about it, and it should have the same temps as the rmbp equipped with the i7 dual
 
There's Lenovo Y500 with 750M (in my country already :eek:), hope the rMBP will have it too and I'll be happy.
 
this year will be macbook 15 inch no retina launch new spec??? and after wwdc i must wait until when to buy macbook 15 inch new spec ?
 
looking at apple store online, the rMBP has "new" on them, i think apple will refresh MBA with has Haswell and the cMBP, finally the rMBP will get Haswell later this year or early 2014 they have just refreshed them last february and it dosen't make sense to refresh them again after 4 months, it is no adding up from ROI, inventory, manufacturing and supply chain perspective, my 2 cents!!
 
looking at apple store online, the rMBP has "new" on them, i think apple will refresh MBA with has Haswell and the cMBP, finally the rMBP will get Haswell later this year or early 2014 they have just refreshed them last february and it dosen't make sense to refresh them again after 4 months, it is no adding up from ROI, inventory, manufacturing and supply chain perspective, my 2 cents!!

I think the only change to them in Feb 2013 was a minor 100ghz update, hardly call that a "Refresh". That would be very odd of Apple not to refresh their "Flagship" model, rMBP with the latest CPU, Haswell.
 
looking at apple store online, the rMBP has "new" on them, i think apple will refresh MBA with has Haswell and the cMBP, finally the rMBP will get Haswell later this year or early 2014 they have just refreshed them last february and it dosen't make sense to refresh them again after 4 months, it is no adding up from ROI, inventory, manufacturing and supply chain perspective, my 2 cents!!

I hope you're wrong, that would make me super depressed. I'm having a hard enough time just waiting for June 10. :D

But would Apple do that? Seems weird that they'd update to Haswell on their cMBPs and MBAs and leave it out of their top-tier Pro products for that long. Guess we'll have to see.
 
I see no reason for Apple not to refresh this summer, especially if there will be many pc laptops @ computex.

The only reason i see for Apple not to make a spec bump is a design change but i don`t see that happening but those cMBP really need some love...
 
I think the only change to them in Feb 2013 was a minor 100ghz update, hardly call that a "Refresh". That would be very odd of Apple not to refresh their "Flagship" model, rMBP with the latest CPU, Haswell.

100 ghz is not something I'd call minor! :D
 
lets remember that apple is here to make money!! and the entire mac product line has a little share in their revenues and earnings where the lion share is in the "i" series products (iPad, iPhone, etc),,, if i would be apple my strategy is to release a new MBA and cMBP with Haswell along with OSX 10.9,, then later this year make another market buzz with updated rMBP with Haswell, and keep the boat (market) shaking :) ,, i don't think it is wise to burn up all my ships in one event!! see Samsung,, they have another event in the UK just after the NY event last March and they promise to show new stuff!!

another thing,,, what about a new iMac with Haswell!! does it sound good for you!!

i think anyone is waiting for a 13" rMBP Haswell will go to MBA with Haswell and new IGZO display they almost have the same performance now (+/- 15%),, so the MBA line will make very good initial sell, and good profits in 3rd and 4th quarter for apple, and anyone is waiting for 15" will get a new cMBP with Haswell or 13" Haswell too. Haswell iMac can be announced with shipping october or November just like last year
 
Moment of truth in exactly two weeks! :)

I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but I wonder if they'll upgrade the storage options in the new rMBP. 1TB anyone? :p Would be at least a little more reasonable to charge 400 extra dollars for that than the current 768gb option. Actually, just bringing the prices down on the current options would probably be best from my point of view. But this is Apple, so I won't get my hopes up.
Same here!
I wouldn't rule it out.
SSD prices have been constantly dropping year-by-year, so eventually they'll offer it. I'm predicting they lower prices on SSD options and/or increase storage options.

There's Lenovo Y500 with 750M (in my country already :eek:), hope the rMBP will have it too and I'll be happy.
I wrote earlier in thread.
CPU upgrade is definite & GPU upgrade is highly likely. I doubt they'd reuse the 650m in their new line-ups when NVIDIA's successor is out.

looking at apple store online, the rMBP has "new" on them, i think apple will refresh MBA with has Haswell and the cMBP, finally the rMBP will get Haswell later this year or early 2014 they have just refreshed them last february and it dosen't make sense to refresh them again after 4 months, it is no adding up from ROI, inventory, manufacturing and supply chain perspective, my 2 cents!!
As I said previously, the stickers were put there because they made some options default e.g. High-end model with 16GB RAM default. As well as offering a 2.8GHz option.
This is hardly a upgrade, rather it is an update. The only new manufacturing part introduced was the 2.8GHz option, so don't let it fool you!
 
I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but I wonder if they'll upgrade the storage options in the new rMBP. 1TB anyone? :p Would be at least a little more reasonable to charge 400 extra dollars for that than the current 768gb option. Actually, just bringing the prices down on the current options would probably be best from my point of view. But this is Apple, so I won't get my hopes up.

I can definitely see a 1TB SSD option. I'd really like to see a 16GB RAM BTO option on the 13" rMBP though. That would seal the deal for me.
 
Hey guys,

I'm looking at getting a rMBP. Do you think the new "Haswell" units will have a higher price tag than the current models that are out?

I want to get the model with the specs of 16GB Ram and a 2.7Ghz quad core and 512GB SSD. This model is RRP $3,199AUD.

If I were to get a similar spec "Haswell" rMBP when they're out, would I be expected to pay more?

Thanks :)
 
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Probably not, Apple has never raised prices just because of new processor technology.

I think the prices might even go down a bit, at least for the 15" model.
 
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