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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread

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nateofmelb said:
Hey guys,

I'm looking at getting a rMBP. Do you think the new "Haswell" units will have a higher price tag than the current models that are out?

I want to get the model with the specs of 16GB Ram and a 2.7Ghz quad core and 512GB SSD. This model is RRP $3,199AUD.

If I were to get a similar spec "Haswell" rMBP when they're out, would I be expected to pay more?

Thanks :)
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Hello fellow Aussie!
I am looking to buy the exact same laptop you speak of as well, when they are released - such a hefty Aussie price isn't it? Luckily my Student discount will shave almost $300 off it.

Price should not increase, it is more likely it will decrease IMO
 
Nbapapa said:
Hello fellow Aussie!
I am looking to buy the exact same laptop you speak of as well, when they are released - such a hefty Aussie price isn't it? Luckily my Student discount will shave almost $300 off it.

Price should not increase, it is more likely it will decrease IMO
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depends on the market, its a lot likely that the new haswell rbmp will have a price slash on the US, outside of it is anybody's countries guess. Here in brazil the price of the ivy models actually grew compared to SB ones, off course the cmbp ones. The price on the imacs actually got lower with the new ones
 
Mr MM said:
depends on the market, its a lot likely that the new haswell rbmp will have a price slash on the US, outside of it is anybody's countries guess. Here in brazil the price of the ivy models actually grew compared to SB ones, off course the cmbp ones. The price on the imacs actually got lower with the new ones
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Very valid point.
Now that I think about it... The AUD has fallen quite a bit over the last month. Pretty horrible timing, hope it doesn't effect the prices.
 
Nbapapa said:
Very valid point.
Now that I think about it... The AUD has fallen quite a bit over the last month. Pretty horrible timing, hope it doesn't effect the prices.
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it did affect here, BRL diminished the value in the middle of SB and when ivy came they jacked up the price

though in the end it doesnt matter, we still pay 2-3 times what US pays in the macs, best advice to buy a mac in brazil? dont.
 
So, I'm a bit confused regarding the graphics card situation. Maybe you guys can help me out. From what I understand, the current chip in the 15" retina macbook pros is a tricked out GT 650M, with higher clock speeds such that it actually performs better than higher-end chips like the GTX 660M. (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1393606/)

Now, from what I understand, the 750M is just a rebrand of the 650M, but Nvidia is adding some GPU Boost 2.0 magic which (from my limited understanding) means the chip can dynamically ramp up the clock speed as high as possible without running into thermal or power issues.

If Apple's already boosting the 650M clock speeds way up, will upgrading to the 750M really help? Sounds like they'd just be squeezing every last drop of performance out of what is essentially the same GPU.

I mainly ask this because I do fairly heavy gaming, and I see the GPU of this machine as the main potential bottleneck for me. Everything else about the rMBP seems amazing and really fast. I realize this isn't a gaming laptop but I don't want a "real" gaming laptop because that would mean no OS X (which I need for my iOS programming job, and I just prefer in general.) I just hope Apple throws in a more significant GPU upgrade as a nice bonus. :D
 
superblockio said:
So, I'm a bit confused regarding the graphics card situation. Maybe you guys can help me out. From what I understand, the current chip in the 15" retina macbook pros is a tricked out GT 650M, with higher clock speeds such that it actually performs better than higher-end chips like the GTX 660M. (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1393606/)
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it actually performs the same as the 660m, since they have the same clocks with boost

superblockio said:
Now, from what I understand, the 750M is just a rebrand of the 650M, but Nvidia is adding some GPU Boost 2.0 magic which (from my limited understanding) means the chip can dynamically ramp up the clock speed as high as possible without running into thermal or power issues.
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the 750m is just a rebranded 660m, the 640m/650m/660m are the same gpus, with the difference being clocks and up to the 650m the use of GDDR5 or DDR3 with clocks adjust accordingly to the choice

GPU boost 2.0 is nothing more than a crippling feature:

1) it has some levels on how much the clocks can go up
2) it adjust those levels according to the cooling
3) the lower base clocks of the "new" gpus are actually lower than past year 650m, non apple

So if your cooling can handle it will go up to 1060mhz if Im not mistaken on the core, however it depends a lot on the cooling, if you skimp on it, it will be at the base which is a whole lot below that, cant remember how much.

superblockio said:
If Apple's already boosting the 650M clock speeds way up, will upgrading to the 750M really help? Sounds like they'd just be squeezing every last drop of performance out of what is essentially the same GPU.
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they are trying to do exactly that, squeeze out everything that kepler can offer. its a rebrand after all.

however given that we are dealing with apple and the higher cpus skus already throttled it, you can guess that we dont have much leeway in terms of how much that gpu can boost

superblockio said:
I mainly ask this because I do fairly heavy gaming, and I see the GPU of this machine as the main potential bottleneck for me. Everything else about the rMBP seems amazing and really fast. I realize this isn't a gaming laptop but I don't want a "real" gaming laptop because that would mean no OS X (which I need for my iOS programming job, and I just prefer in general.) I just hope Apple throws in a more significant GPU upgrade as a nice bonus. :D
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gpu options are the gk106 760m, the gk 107 750m or the 8870m

since you want OSX thats the best that you can get on their mobile.

but if nvidia is to be believed they have sprinkled unicorn horns in form of powder, since this gpu will have 75% better performance than the 650m
 
Thanks a bunch, Mr. MM!

Too bad though, sounds like we probably won't see a huge performance boost. Unless Apple switches to that AMD card you mentioned, which I don't know much about. Ah well, this at least validates the existence of my gaming PC, though I'm sure I'll still do most of my light/moderate gaming on my new rMBP (minecraft, etc) when I get it, just because its portable. In any case, it should be much better than the integrated intel graphics in my current 13" model. :p
 
superblockio said:
Thanks a bunch, Mr. MM!

Too bad though, sounds like we probably won't see a huge performance boost. Unless Apple switches to that AMD card you mentioned, which I don't know much about. Ah well, this at least validates the existence of my gaming PC, though I'm sure I'll still do most of my light/moderate gaming on my new rMBP (minecraft, etc) when I get it, just because its portable. In any case, it should be much better than the integrated intel graphics in my current 13" model. :p
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if apple did change to AMD a bunch of graphical designers would buy one

still gpu boost 2.0 is bad in therms of thermal throttling more present, however its worse for overclockers, to put titan to its paces I had to flash a vbios so that I can actually get performance from that piece of garbage, terrible opengl and opencl performance
 
I think the best way to get some more performance on MacOs is apple to work on their graphics drivers..
And i hear that they are doing for the last 2 months..maybe for 10.8.4 update OR for the new OS X
 
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15' just ain't 'good enough"

As a longtime Macbook Pro power user currently locked into the pro Tools ecosystem, the decisions of Cook and co to neglect and perhaps abandon the high end Apple power user is very disappointing. This is a bean counters stupidity, stopping the big boy 17" MBP, letting the Mac Pro languish. The good enough philosophy expressed in all its radiant stupidity when a top Apple exec criticized Samsung for their very successful Note II as too big!! APPLE audio visual pros have been the most loyal core group who depend on these products to make a living and will spend thousands on the top of line loaded bad boys. If Apple relinquishes this niche it will pay a big price. Interestingly, since they stopped producing the 17" in favor of a 15" wo optical drive which pros use daily, the stock is down 40%, profits declined for the first time in a decade, and they are losing market share to Samsung and Google in a big way. Stop the bean counting. Make the awesome no expense spared halo products that made Apple successful.
 
Hello all,

I'm waiting for Haswell because I do not want my Rmbp to suffer scrolling issue or UI lag. Maybe I'm too realistic, but hopefully the new computer or OS X 10.9 will definitely fix this problem. How come Apple doesn't improve their graphic drivers...it's kind of annoying to pay such a premium price for BASIC problems like scrolling or lag....maybe Apple think their costumers are stupid...

Do you guys think this will be fixed soon? And do not tell me yours don't have the UI lag or scrolling problems in safari. Yes, I know about webkit, but one shouldn't need to use a third party software for something that basic.
 
fs454 said:
One analyst says so, I wouldn't count on that definitely being the case. They've been readily producing rMBPs for a while now, why would a hardware update prevent them from pushing out the same display with new CPUs/GPUs?
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Analysts are stupid, especially when they predict me not getting a retina macbook pro right on June 10. :mad:

But yes, it seems odd that the display would be the bottleneck, unless they're switching display vendors or are using a new (perhaps just slightly different) type of display in the new models. Who knows though. I'm just trying to shoot down all rumors that don't work to my advantage. :D
 
Nbapapa said:
A Google news search for 'Macbook WWDC' comes up with some heavy speculation, please be true.

12 days!
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*sigh* It's sad, I've already spent way too much time browsing around the internet for speculation on this, looking at retina macbook pro unboxings of the current models, and of course reading through pretty much this whole thread and some others. I should probably do something productive. What makes it even more sad is I've got plenty of things to keep me occupied, and my 2011 13" mbp is still a pretty good machine. But dangit, I've got the money and those 15" retina macbook pros are sexy, and I can't think of anything else. :(

June 10, get here faster!!
 
superblockio said:
*sigh* It's sad, I've already spent way too much time browsing around the internet for speculation on this, looking at retina macbook pro unboxings of the current models, and of course reading through pretty much this whole thread and some others. I should probably do something productive. What makes it even more sad is I've got plenty of things to keep me occupied, and my 2011 13" mbp is still a pretty good machine. But dangit, I've got the money and those 15" retina macbook pros are sexy, and I can't think of anything else. :(

June 10, get here faster!!
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Tell me about it - I've spent more minutes in this thread than studying for my final exam this week.
 
Mr MM said:
if apple did change to AMD a bunch of graphical designers would buy one
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Is that amd card that much superior? Apart from better OpenCL performance (which I think amd always had an edge, since nvidia was more focused on CUDA), what advantages does the AMD card have that make it more attractive to graphic designers?
 
So when the 13" base rMBP was first introduced it retailed at $1,699. Is that what the base Haswell rMBP will most likely be priced at as well? Or any chance they'll keep it at $1,499?
 
tgi said:
So when the 13" base rMBP was first introduced it retailed at $1,699. Is that what the base Haswell rMBP will most likely be priced at as well? Or any chance they'll keep it at $1,499?
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I expect the prices to stay the same. Unless they do something really drastic, which I doubt they will do.
 
tgi said:
So when the 13" base rMBP was first introduced it retailed at $1,699. Is that what the base Haswell rMBP will most likely be priced at as well? Or any chance they'll keep it at $1,499?
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Unless they bump up default SSD, I imagine it will retail at $1,499 at launch, I doubt they'd go backwards in price.

In terms of a price drop, we most likely won't see a dramatic price drop until they phase out the cMBP.

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superblockio said:
*sigh* It's sad, I've already spent way too much time browsing around the internet for speculation on this, looking at retina macbook pro unboxings of the current models, and of course reading through pretty much this whole thread and some others. I should probably do something productive. What makes it even more sad is I've got plenty of things to keep me occupied, and my 2011 13" mbp is still a pretty good machine. But dangit, I've got the money and those 15" retina macbook pros are sexy, and I can't think of anything else. :(

June 10, get here faster!!
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Haha seems like a few people are on the 15" Haswell Retina Macbook Pro boat on this thread.
What you wrote relates to my situation in almost every way
 
Do you guys see apple releasing a non retina pro with the retina body to kill off the cd drive once and for all ?
 
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