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This line of reasoning makes absolutely no sense.
• You said, "the benchmarks we've seen...have all," but there's been one benchmark that popped up. One. I do not understand how people are contorting that single anecdotal data point into thinking that there can't be a ML build.
• Moreover, we are not talking about official or even sanctioned tests. This is an "oops" event by a person at Apple who should have known better but screwed up by running Geekbench. Why would you think that just because one guy is running a dev build on his laptop that there aren't other configurations/builds/etc. in use?
• 10.8.5 is in beta testing right now. It wouldn't be entirely trivial to be sure it's adapted for new models, but it's also not a massive undertaking. And, keep in mind--that's exactly what Apple did last year with the release of the rMBP. And that was even during a time when supply was seriously constrained.
• Holding back the models for an OS release is just, well, insane from a business perspective. This is a company that is struggling mightily to avoid year-over-year declines in revenue. While supply chain issues are involuntary and cannot be helped, there simply aren't many good reasons to voluntarily delay your flagship, sales-leading product.

There has been 2 benchmarks with some time between them.
The first one made news on ALL the rumor sites.
So if it truly where just a mistake. There would be no chance that it would happen 2 times. One for 13" and one for 15".
 
Still not conclusive
Apple's known for their tricky wording, etc. a refresh of a MacBook could very well not be considered a new product


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You've just given a new definition to far-fetched.
 
You are too funny! Now, they've given you a response and you still refuse to believe. LOL

I'm not refusing to believe, I'm just saying that, just as before, we have no idea as to when it will come out.


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so have we all given up hope for today then?


I dont believe we will see hd5200 next, so I doubt iris pro is the reason for this "delay". We will see hd5000 with a more powerful discrete chip.

The HD5000 will certainly not appear in any MBPs. It is either the HD4600 + discrete or the HD5200 for the 15'', and the HD5100 for the 13'' most likely.
 
You can get quality laptops that aren't made by Apple you know, I'm considering one and I know a friend who is because of the infrequent updates to the mbp line.

I know that. I'm been a lifelong PC user and this will be my first macbook. My point is the OP already has his heart set on MBP. If he gives in and buys a laptop, he'll probably feel he got an inferior machine when the MBP comes out. Let's face it, people on this board who wait months for MBs are not doing it because they're the casual user - they know what they want and will end up getting it.

I've been there and I'm still there. I want the new rMBP and I know that even if I get the current one - maybe even a 13" - I'll still purchase the haswell when it comes out. So I'm doing the smart thing - topping off my macbook fund and trying to be as patient as possible.
 
Based on.. what information?

The leaked benchmarking of both the 13" and the 15", plus the types of chips that Apple usually uses for those given lines.

5100 in the 13"
5200 in the 15" (and possibly no dedicated GPU...we shall see)
 
Based on.. what information?

I have seen compelling reasoning based on power usage of CPUs and GPUs. in order to keep battery life on par or better then it is now, they couldn't have a high end iGPU and dGpu in the same machine
 
Based on.. what information?

Intel's Haswell CPU lineup:

Dual core:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7021/introducing-the-dualcore-haswell-skus

Quad core:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7002/hit-the-road-jack-intels-mobile-quadcore-haswell-skus


You can also browse through all of the processor SKUs at http://ark.intel.com/


Long story short the only Haswell CPUs with HD 5000 graphics are the 15 watt Ultra Low Voltage dual core processors which are used currently in the Macbook Air.

There are also 28 watt dual core models with Iris 5100 graphics which seem likely for the 13" MBP, and the 47 watt quad core CPUs with Iris Pro 5200 graphics.

All of the other mobile CPUs have HD 4XXX series graphics.


The two leaked benchmarks that we have seen show one computer with a 28 watt dual core CPU with Iris 5100 graphics, and another with a 47 watt quad core CPU with Iris Pro 5200 graphics, which would appear to be at least one model of 13" and 15" MBP respectively.
 
There has been 2 benchmarks with some time between them.
The first one made news on ALL the rumor sites.
So if it truly where just a mistake. There would be no chance that it would happen 2 times. One for 13" and one for 15".

I think you give people way too much credit.
 
At this point, with that comment, I seriously doubt we will see a MBP refresh this month, which is disappointing. I will most likely be getting a Windows 8 laptop. Believe it or not, some of us like BOTH platforms and up to date hardware when we need to purchase can be a determining factor. I want a 12.4-14" laptop, refuse to buy something with HD 4000 graphics, and need more processing power than the Air offers. Today, Apple has no laptop that meets my needs, or I would buy from them. I'm buying my laptop the first weekend of August, if the MBP isn't refreshed by then, I'll get something else.
 
Based on.. what information?

Based on the available CPUs from Intel.

The HD4600 is the base integrated GPU for most CPUs
HD5000 is available only with 15W ULV - not Macbook Pro material
HD5100 comes with the only 28W processor - good candidate for the 13'' MBP
HD5200 is only available with 45W processors - ok for 15'', not for 13''

Since the HD5200 is more expensive than the HD4600, and has less CPU power, there are two reasonable options for the 15'' MBP:

HD4600 + discrete
HD5200 only

It is that easy ;)
 
The Call

Ok, so the speaker mentioned New products in FALL like 20 times!!! So I guess thats our answer for the rMBP :(....sucks, but Sept/Oct it is....
 
Apple basically confirmed in the conf call that they were going to be very busy this fall

wouldn't Mac Pro, iPad, iPhone, OSX, iOS and possibility of apple TV count as "very busy" even if they do rMBPs now? or am I just in denial?
 
If they do what it sounds like they're doing and postpone the rMBP till later in the fall, they're going to make a lot of people, shall we say, "put out". They are (and the new version would be more so) a great laptop for students, portable enough to carry around, but powerful enough to do anything you throw at it, including some gaming. Release it during BTS, and you've got a bunch of sales right there. Students aren't going to want to deal with upgrading their laptops during the school year. It takes a good amount of time to make the switch.
 
I'm definitely naffed off, I was on the edge about waiting for the iPhone 5s too, definitely gonna look at alternatives now, cba with the waiting game and I won't spend money on old tech.
 
At this point, with that comment, I seriously doubt we will see a MBP refresh this month, which is disappointing. I will most likely be getting a Windows 8 laptop. Believe it or not, some of us like BOTH platforms and up to date hardware when we need to purchase can be a determining factor. I want a 12.4-14" laptop, refuse to buy something with HD 4000 graphics, and need more processing power than the Air offers. Today, Apple has no laptop that meets my needs, or I would buy from them. I'm buying my laptop the first weekend of August, if the MBP isn't refreshed by then, I'll get something else.

So, what Win 8 laptops are you considering? Say we don't care about retina screens, and other manufacturers also have nice designs. But is there anything that comes close to to a MBP in component and build quality? Any windows laptop where neither the screen nor the touchpad or the battery life sucks?
 
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