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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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You are an optimistIs there anything left that points towards a release today?
Nothing concrete, unfortunately. Geekbench scores, the suitable Haswell processors are available, that's it.
But there is no evidence which suggests that today is the day.
May I ask how refurbs work exactly?
There are currently 8 refurb models on the site, that have been there for hours. Surely if its just one machine, they'd all sell out in minutes. Do they have the same machine in batch? Holding out hope since I can't buy until tonight
There are currently 8 refurb models on the site, that have been there for hours. Surely if its just one machine, they'd all sell out in minutes. Do they have the same machine in batch? Holding out hope since I can't buy until tonight
Does the IGZO Panels use less GFX power to drive the display compared to the current gen
May I ask how refurbs work exactly?
There are currently 8 refurb models on the site, that have been there for hours. Surely if its just one machine, they'd all sell out in minutes. Do they have the same machine in batch? Holding out hope since I can't buy until tonight
It is certainly possible that they have more than one of a certain configuration available as refurbished. It is just as possible that there is only one and no one has bought it yet.
Nope. The GPU still has to push the same amount of pixels.
However, IGZO is more power efficient than the current LED IPS screens.
no, as far as I know the same amount of calculations have to be made for the number of pixels on the display.
An example would be that I have 20 old rusty buckets (current led display), 20 new clean buckets (igzo display) and I have a hose (gpu) the buckets are the same size and it will take the same amount of time to fill the old buckets as it would the new buckets. the only way to make it faster is to change the hose.
In all a pixel is pixel, a wether an electron being fired in a CRT, a liquid crystal on an tft (lcd) or a pixel on a led display.
Are they? I can't find any released Haswell laptops with Iris Pro. That Haswell is released doesn't mean that every type of CPU is already available.
Not sure the classic will go away next cycle. I had read that these are carried because sales are strong in developing/third world countries where there is no wifi to deliver content. Makes the optical drive very important. Most of us are a tad spoiled compared to users in many regions. I don't think they will be updated though.
All of them have been launched according to intel. You don't see any Iris Pro laptops simply because no one else besides apple had any interest in using it. Apple has been the only player pushing intel for igpu with edram for years now.
they don't just build processors solely for Apple, there are lots of big names out there that you probably wouldn't heard of.
Yes, but it's not out yet.
I think Apple is just waiting for the Iris Pro CPUs. I don't think they are waiting for TB2, Mavericks or IGZO. So with the System76 laptop shipping this or next week might make a release tomorrow possible. But I won't be surprised if the System76 laptop is delayed.
If Iris Pro CPUs would be available in the near future I would assume a lot more laptops using it would already be announced.
The aim is to get you to buy a new macbook as often as you'd buy a new iPhone, which I'm told is something like every 2 years?
So no user upgradeable parts inside. In the next MBA, it wouldn't surprise me to see a move toward flash soldered to the motherboard, just like with tablets and smartphones. With the MBP, perhaps the SSD might change interface and form factor every few years to help deter third party SSD vendors.
Meanwhile people are figuring out they can get a tri-wing screwdriver to open the rMBP, so perhaps that might change to something new soon.
Yes, the new rMBP with have soldered in RAM.
well that might be the case, but if the SSD fails you have to replace the whole motherboard ... not cost effective.
I think they proprietary PCI-e connection is enough to deter users replacing the SSD with a third party part ( except that OWC )
Hello I am a newbie here.,I am in the hunt for new laptop and need it asap. All my eyes on 13 haswell rMBP which i think it might take sometime. I like MBA but it lacks retina and I cannot buy present 13 rMBP either.
Shall i buy new 13 haswell MBA for time being until haswell rMBP comes? What will be the re-sale value of MBA in two months?
Help me guys...
Shall i buy new 13 haswell MBA for time being until haswell rMBP comes? What will be the re-sale value of MBA in two months?
Help me guys...
I be very suprised if they went down that route and soldered the SSD to the logic board. Logic boards do fail and they are expenive enough can you imagine the cost of a logic board with a soldered 768GB SSD
What about the iPad, aren't 128GB models using flash soldered in?
Not such a big leap to solder 256GB of flash in the next MBA.
Fear of motherboard failure could drive more users to select three years of applecare, so that could be a win for apple.
I'm not sure apple are too worried about OWC.
Now if someone like crucial/micron was to get into the replace rMBP SSD game it might be a different story.... I suspect that samsung as a supplier to apple, might be under some agreement not to sell the same or similar product to anyone but apple.
One of the longest gaps btw releases was for the iMac btw its May 2011 and Nov 2012 refreshes: a gargantuan 577 days. (That's over twice the previous two gaps btw iMac refreshes, each having been 280 days.)
Thus, the current period btw rMBP refreshes could stretch to double the historically longest gap btw rMBP releases: 134 days btw the Jun 2012 and Oct 2012 releases (that being a total of 268 days).
We're at 161 days right now. If you add the difference to the current gap count, that potential 268-day gap gives us a forecasted release date of 107 days from now, somewhere around Nov 8 2013. The worst-case scenario would be Apple delaying until around Christmas. If that was the case, we would be looking at a gap length of 315 days btw rMBP releases.
The worst-, worst-case scenario would be a gap length of around 577 days similar to that horrible iMac release delay. A 577 day-gap length would delay the next rMBP release to around Sept 13, 2014, over a year from now!
So we could be in for a lonnnnnng wait.
I could just hibernate until then but my 2007 MBP and 2010 MBA are showing severe signs of aging, and I dare not wait much longer. Absent viable signs of an impending refresh, it seems prudent to purchase a rMBP now.
I would prefer the form factor of the 13", but the documented latency issues re the 13" graphics performance have me spooked. My iTunes and iPhoto libraries are huge and I hate taking performance hits in either of those two programs or the even more demanding iMovie. Additionally I plan to hook up the rMBP to a TB display (or two!). I suspect I'm going to need the extra power of a dGPU for that.
Thus, the current period btw rMBP refreshes could stretch to double the historically longest gap btw rMBP releases: 134 days btw the Jun 2012 and Oct 2012 releases (that being a total of 268 days).
We're at 161 days right now. If you add the difference to the current gap count, that potential 268-day gap gives us a forecasted release date of 107 days from now, somewhere around Nov 8 2013. The worst-case scenario would be Apple delaying until around Christmas. If that was the case, we would be looking at a gap length of 315 days btw rMBP releases.
The worst-, worst-case scenario would be a gap length of around 577 days similar to that horrible iMac release delay. A 577 day-gap length would delay the next rMBP release to around Sept 13, 2014, over a year from now!
So we could be in for a lonnnnnng wait.
I could just hibernate until then but my 2007 MBP and 2010 MBA are showing severe signs of aging, and I dare not wait much longer. Absent viable signs of an impending refresh, it seems prudent to purchase a rMBP now.
I would prefer the form factor of the 13", but the documented latency issues re the 13" graphics performance have me spooked. My iTunes and iPhoto libraries are huge and I hate taking performance hits in either of those two programs or the even more demanding iMovie. Additionally I plan to hook up the rMBP to a TB display (or two!). I suspect I'm going to need the extra power of a dGPU for that.
What about the iPad, aren't 128GB models using flash soldered in?
Not such a big leap to solder 256GB of flash in the next MBA.
Fear of motherboard failure could drive more users to select three years of applecare, so that could be a win for apple.
I'm not sure apple are too worried about OWC.
Now if someone like crucial/micron was to get into the replace rMBP SSD game it might be a different story.... I suspect that samsung as a supplier to apple, might be under some agreement not to sell the same or similar product to anyone but apple.
iPad motherboard cost isn't that much, rMBP is wayyyyyy more expensive.
the connectors on the Apple SSD may be proprietary, i don't know how OWC got their parts ... but it seems like its from the same supplier as apple.
for Micron to jump into manufacturing rMBP SSD, they have to consider whether people would want to upgrade their SSDs or not.
personally i'm not inclined to upgrade my SSD once i bought the rMBP even though i can, because the old SSD would have little to no resale value, and to make it as an external HDD is just ...... ridiculous
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The iMac delay resulted in a redesign. The Macbook Pro is not getting one this year, and based on the rumors, the September time frame appears likely. They will definitely update them this year, especially given how underperforming the Mac has been.
Just a thought/question...
I recently purchased a rMBP 13" at Best Buy on sale with an additional $100 education discount - amazing screen and speed with no issues for my use coming from a mid 2009 MBP. It says late 2012 in the about this Mac info - 2.5/8gb/128 version.
I checked the serial number on the "chipmunk" website and this shows the manufacturing date to be in the first week of July 2013.
If there was an imminent release of the next gen MBPs coming soon would they still be manufacturing this model a few weeks ago? Is this site accurate?
(http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html)
I recently purchased a rMBP 13" at Best Buy on sale with an additional $100 education discount - amazing screen and speed with no issues for my use coming from a mid 2009 MBP. It says late 2012 in the about this Mac info - 2.5/8gb/128 version.
I checked the serial number on the "chipmunk" website and this shows the manufacturing date to be in the first week of July 2013.
If there was an imminent release of the next gen MBPs coming soon would they still be manufacturing this model a few weeks ago? Is this site accurate?
(http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html)
Hello I am a newbie here.,I am in the hunt for new laptop and need it asap. All my eyes on 13 haswell rMBP which i think it might take sometime. I like MBA but it lacks retina and I cannot buy present 13 rMBP either.
Shall i buy new 13 haswell MBA for time being until haswell rMBP comes? What will be the re-sale value of MBA in two months?
Help me guys...
Welcome!
Could you please specify you needs?
I would recommend the 2013 13" MBA over the 2012 rMBP any day.
Why?
- You need a laptop ASAP; you can afford the MBA now, and the Haswell rMBP release date is still a mystery
- MBA has a lot more advantages: 12 hour battery, better GPU (Intel HD 5000), faster WiFI (AC), faster SSD, sleeker & cheaper!
The retina display is bonus but not that significant on a 13". So if you weigh your options, I would go MBA in a heart-beat.
In terms of resale value, I am not too sure, but generally all Macbooks hold their value relatively well.
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