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Waiting for Haswell MBP Mega Thread
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The whole thread is for early adopters only.
Reasonable people would not waste their time with this nonsense.
Really? How do you figure? I'm a very "reasonable" person, and an early adopter. Pray tell--what's the contradiction?
Let's not confuse the whiny voices of a small minority with the opinions and experiences of the majority of users. There's a selection bias issue at play. Most first generation rMBP owners, myself included, enjoyed their purposes and had nothing to "whine" about here.People who rushed to buy the first rMBP generation had the same reasoning. Less than a couple month later they started complaining and moaning in this forum...
I want to buy a 13" Macbook Pro to save money, but it is such a downgrade from the 15"
I wish Apple would change the 13" to get quad core... up the Intel 4000 and add some power to it. The Pro always had an edge with power over the Air.. and now that margin has shrunk.
I wish Apple would change the 13" to get quad core... up the Intel 4000 and add some power to it. The Pro always had an edge with power over the Air.. and now that margin has shrunk.
Well what do you do that requires quad-core? If you can wait, the Haswell 13-inch rMBP will have a 5100 GPU.
i wish i could wait.. but im going to college and i dont have a laptop now to get me by for a couple months
Gaming for 6 hours? You're dreaming. Even the 2013 Macbook Air can't do that.
http://www.macworld.com/article/2042376/lab-tested-new-macbook-air-offers-best-battery-life-of-any-apple-laptop.html
I've been saying the "gain" isn't worth it. But no, people keep trying to justify this.
Oh well, at least the silver lining is that you can get the older model with a faster dGPU for gaming for much cheaper.
Quad core is dramatically smoother across everything you do day-in, day-out. If you multitask at all--or even do single tasks where multi-threading matters--the difference quad core offers is tremendous.
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I don't know why I even noticed or cared. Maybe it's time for me to go home.
works. and i'm still waiting..
alt+opt+dash.... will i remember this for tomorrow?
The gain is worth it if you don't game. If nothing else, there's 802.11ac and PCIe SSD to look forward to.
If it's your first year going to college you can wait 1 month. Usually universities start at the end of August, and you probably won't have too many written assignments right away. My computer came with a defective screen which took a week to fix and I just used one of the hundreds of computers on campus to do my work...like the library. If you really want the refresh, I would wait. Of course if this is your third year and you need a comp. for design projects and stuff, that's a different story.
I hate that, lol.
Haha it's like we're all stranded on a desert island bored out of our minds. And over there there's a group of people arguing about whether we still need to bother with clothes (we've always had them and we look better with them but on the other hand without them we wouldn't waste energy maintaining them). And here we are, discovering yet another way to eat bark and seaweed.
But there won't be a significant battery life gain because, again, for the umpteenth time, the screen still consumes far too much power for Iris Pro to make a dent in battery life.
The rMBP screen consumes on average around 8-10W of power sitting at 50-75% brightness.
In contrast, the MBA and previous MBP screens consume on average just about 2-3W sitting at the same 50-75% brightness.
Yeah, that's roughly more than twice what the MBA screen consumes... but the battery in the rMBP is unfortunately not even twice as big (unless you're looking at 11" MBA, but the 11" MBA 2013 model gets just about as much battery life as does the rMBP 15" from 2012).
Basically, you can't look at the MBA and then parallel the gain. It doesn't work that way here. Haswell is better than Ivy Bridge, but it's not going to magically make all your wishes come true.
Apple would have to move to IGZO or put in a far bigger battery in order to make the battery life gain significant.
As for the other 2, they are pretty useless.
802.11ac will make your local network file transfers faster, true... but it won't make your internet go at breakneck speed because even 802.11g is far overkill for most broadband connections. Also, you'll only see a benefit with 802.11ac if the entire world has moved to adapt the new tech. Unfortunately, most of the rest of the world are still on 802.11b/g/n.
PCIe SSDs are faster, true... but... even the current SATA SSDs are far too fast for most people. Again, you'll only see a benefit when you transfer huge files regularly, but most people don't do that. You'll most likely be throttled by your network connection or USB or Thunderbolt interfaces anyway. And if you're gonna go into application launch speed, let's see... what's the difference between launching Photoshop in 0.6s and launching Photoshop in 0.1s? I know I wouldn't be able to notice it.
I don't think anyone here is expecting a 12+ hour rMBP. Realistically, I'm thinking possibly 9-10 hours, which is still a big improvement.
Yes, people will have to upgrade their routers to get the full benefit of ac. For me, I'm sure ac will at least improve the speed of my hourly Time Machine backups. It might even get me to not bother using a USB or Thuderbolt Ethernet dongle, especially if a new router is not much more expensive.
I could probably notice a 0.5 second difference without pulling out a stopwatch.
The current rMBP gets 8-9 hours easily running Mavericks. So you're gaining just 1 hour at idle, if even that.
Or you can just configure Time Machine to not back up your download folder...
Or set it to start backing up at 12:00AM when you've gone to bed.
I could probably notice a 0.5 second difference without pulling out a stopwatch.
I honestly can't notice it. And it wouldn't matter either way because I don't close and launch Photoshop every time. My rMBP has 16GB so I just keep Photoshop running perpetually after every boot up...
Lol bill I hope your intelligent assumptions on haswell are on par with your knack for trying to piss people off.
I think if you only and only stare at the rMBP screen, you could get 24h...
I can't imagine someone using his laptop more than 8hours without plugging it to a power source unless (s)he is traveling overseas. This is the only case I can imagine. Are there any other cases?
I can't imagine someone using his laptop more than 8hours without plugging it to a power source unless (s)he is traveling overseas. This is the only case I can imagine. Are there any other cases?
I'm not sure why you would be so upset knowing that Haswell isn't really a magical fix.
I mean... read back the first post in this thread. It's already been said waaaayyyyyy back then that Haswell really isn't a magical fix for anything.
If you don't learn to control your expectations with realistic estimates, you'd just end up getting even more frustrated when the real thing lands.
When you're using the dGPU for gaming, etc, I can imagine that people might want to use it for longer than the current system allows. And it's not only about what we need, but if you can have more battery life, you don't need to worry about finding and plugging into a power source.
What about 70.87 Mbps down/36.32 Mbps up? Is that fast enough for 802.11ac to make a difference?
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