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wifi ac will become standard really soon because in many countries i have been to i had slowest internet speed about 70mbit/s and average speed where 500mbit/s only USA of all developed world have expensive and slow internet compare to countries in EU where you can get easy 1gbit internet for like 100-140$ and to not mention countries such as japan and south korea :)
 
One of the reason am still waiting is cause I want wireless AC, my 4 year old time capsule cant handle my new internet speed I went from having a 15mbps download to 118mbps download for just $15 more a month :)
 
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wifi ac will become standard really soon because in many countries i have been to i had slowest internet speed about 70mbit/s and average speed where 500mbit/s only USA of all developed world have expensive and slow internet compare to countries in EU where you can get easy 1gbit internet for like 100-140$ and to not mention countries such as japan and south korea :)

The US has very low population density, making it much more expensive to deliver high-speed networks (and high-speed rail and mass transit).

Speaking of ac, though, most homes in the US have air conditioning, which is quite nice in the summer. :)
 
A Q for the discrete vs. integrated debaters:

I've seen some wanting Iris Pro AND a dedicated GPU -- why? If you have a discrete GPU that kicks in only when needed, why isn't a 4000 or 4600 integrated GPU sufficient for everyday, non-demanding tasks?
 
wifi ac will become standard really soon because in many countries i have been to i had slowest internet speed about 70mbit/s and average speed where 500mbit/s only USA of all developed world have expensive and slow internet compare to countries in EU where you can get easy 1gbit internet for like 100-140$ and to not mention countries such as japan and south korea :)

Yeah, the US is far behind internet-wise, so they may not have big needs for AC.

For example, LTE/4G in the iPhone 5 was Big in the us. But here in Denmark we have had 3G speeds of 30-40mbit everywhere in the country for like 5 years. LTE is not a really big change here. I get about 50mbit on my iPhone 5.

However, the broadband internet is in rapid development. The slowest internet I can get in my apartment is a 60/60mbit fiber. I have an 100/100mbit fiber connection for 25$/month. But 1gbit connections are not far away.

Especially on university campus, there is a 2gbit connection. They have already put up 802.11ac wifi, so I'm just waiting on the updated rMBP to get the goodies!

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The US has very low population density, making it much more expensive to deliver high-speed networks (and high-speed rail and mass transit).

Speaking of ac, though, most homes in the US have air conditioning, which is quite nice in the summer. :)

I could really need some ac now! Almost 38c in the sun!
 
A Q for the discrete vs. integrated debaters:

I've seen some wanting Iris Pro AND a dedicated GPU -- why? If you have a discrete GPU that kicks in only when needed, why isn't a 4000 or 4600 integrated GPU sufficient for everyday, non-demanding tasks?

Yeah, having both makes no sense and would probably actually reduce battery life over the current models in practice.

If there were going to be a dGPU, then Apple could just go with the quad core CPUs with HD 4600 graphics. They're an improvement over last years HD 4000 graphics (which apparently Apple thought were suitable to ship in the rMBP), they use less power than the Iris Pro chips, and they're a lot cheaper than the Iris Pro chips.
 
I'm not sure why you would be so upset knowing that Haswell isn't really a magical fix.

I mean... read back the first post in this thread. It's already been said waaaayyyyyy back then that Haswell really isn't a magical fix for anything.

If you don't learn to control your expectations with realistic estimates, you'd just end up getting even more frustrated when the real thing lands.

We're not talking about me here. I honestly couldn't care less about battery life. As long as the thing gets around 5 hours so that I can browse the web for a reasonable number of hours without having to get my lazy ass up to plug it in. I am always plugged in at school, or at home if need be, and I don't work on the go. That's why I really still want the dGPU, cus I game, and cus I don't care about battery life.
 
We're not talking about me here. I honestly couldn't care less about battery life. As long as the thing gets around 5 hours so that I can browse the web for a reasonable number of hours without having to get my lazy ass up to plug it in. I am always plugged in at school, or at home if need be, and I don't work on the go. That's why I really still want the dGPU, cus I game, and cus I don't care about battery life.

Your buying the wrong laptop then :p

To Apple Battery Life slight better than gaming experience. And they displayed this on the previous 13in models when the removed the nividia igpu and gave us 9 hours batter :)
 
Not really you'll need at least 300Mbps down for it to make a difference

not really, that speed is theoretical

I have an 802.11ac router and an 802.11ac PCIe card in my homes HTPC. Both are Asus and both use the optimum 802.11ac three antenna setup and are rated for 1.3Gb/s AC operation. I believe they even use the same radio chipset from Broadcom.

So I've actually got a setup here to see how it really performs in the real world. And I've done extensive testing on it. I also have a very large server at home connected to the 802.11ac router via 1Gb ethernet (the one in my signature) and its disks easily go over 500MB/s let alone the 125MB/s that 1Gb ethernet provides.

In my testing through one floor and two walls (HTPC downstairs in the living room, router upstairs in the back office) the signal strength inside Windows is rated at around 560Mb/s to 860Mb/s with 4/5 to 5/5 bars of strength.

To put that in comparison to 802.11n I had an n card in that HTPC previously which had a triple antenna setup and supported both 2.4GHz and 5Ghz modes. It was also PCIe and quite a high end card from TP-Link.

That card only managed about 114-150Mb/s through the same floor and walls and the 5GHz mode sometimes didn't even get a signal strong enough to stay connected. The 2.4GHz mode was much more reliable.

So in closing the 802.11ac in real world through obstacles like walls still gives speed that is higher than 802.11n did (n being 450Mb/s rated, much less in reality). I was literally getting 560 to 860Mb/s from 802.11ac not just confirmed by the built in speed reader from Windows and Asus but also verified by doing file transfers to my server which was connected to the router through 1Gb Ethernet.

My take away from this is that 802.11ac is going to be excellent for media streaming, airplay multi-screen, time machine backups, local area network file transfers and if you happen to have fast internet (I have 120Mb down here) then you may even see a difference there too. The beam forming that ac supports is clearly making a difference as its 5GHz performance is way way way above the 802.11n I had previously.
 
I have an 802.11ac router and an 802.11ac PCIe card in my homes HTPC. Both are Asus and both use the optimum 802.11ac three antenna setup and are rated for 1.3Gb/s AC operation. I believe they even use the same radio chipset from Broadcom.

So I've actually got a setup here to see how it really performs in the real world. And I've done extensive testing on it. I also have a very large server at home connected to the 802.11ac router via 1Gb ethernet (the one in my signature) and its disks easily go over 500MB/s let alone the 125MB/s that 1Gb ethernet provides.

In my testing through one floor and two walls (HTPC downstairs in the living room, router upstairs in the back office) the signal strength inside Windows is rated at around 560Mb/s to 860Mb/s with 4/5 to 5/5 bars of strength.

To put that in comparison to 802.11n I had an n card in that HTPC previously which had a triple antenna setup and supported both 2.4GHz and 5Ghz modes. It was also PCIe and quite a high end card from TP-Link.

That card only managed about 114-150Mb/s through the same floor and walls and the 5GHz mode sometimes didn't even get a signal strong enough to stay connected. The 2.4GHz mode was much more reliable.

So in closing the 802.11ac in real world through obstacles like walls still gives speed that is higher than 802.11n did (n being 450Mb/s rated, much less in reality). I was literally getting 560 to 860Mb/s from 802.11ac not just confirmed by the built in speed reader from Windows and Asus but also verified by doing file transfers to my server which was connected to the router through 1Gb Ethernet.

My take away from this is that 802.11ac is going to be excellent for media streaming, airplay multi-screen, time machine backups, local area network file transfers and if you happen to have fast internet (I have 120Mb down here) then you may even see a difference there too. The beam forming that ac supports is clearly making a difference as its 5GHz performance is way way way above the 802.11n I had previously.

What Asus router you have ? Am looking forward to the new Asus RT-AC68U
 
What Asus router you have ? Am looking forward to the new Asus RT-AC68U

I'm using the Asus RT-AC66U Router and the Asus PCE-AC66 wireless card.

I got the router in December 2012 and I just got the PCIe AC66 card for the HTPC last month. Great combination, I couldn't be happier to be honest. Rock solid stable router, works with every device I have perfectly including mine and my wifes iPads, Macs and iPhones.
 
I'm using the Asus RT-AC66U Router and the Asus PCE-AC66 wireless card.

I got the router in December 2012 and I just got the PCIe AC66 card for the HTPC last month. Great combination, I couldn't be happier to be honest. Rock solid stable router, works with every device I have perfectly including mine and my wifes iPads, Macs and iPhones.

Have you used the download master ? Am looking forward to connecting a 3 TB hard drive to the router and torrent my heart away
 
Have you used the download master ? Am looking forward to connecting a 3 TB hard drive to the router and torrent my heart away

I've not no. I have my beefy server in my signature for that. I just use the router for routing and nothing else.
 
This is a law of physics. Efficiency ratio < 1

Nah, both 802.11a and 802.11n is 5Ghz and yet 11a is only 54mbps?
theres lots of factors here to be taken into account, not just physics.

IMO there are ways to boost speeds of existing technology using just a few tweaks in the original recipe, modulation is one thing.
 
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Yeah, the US is far behind internet-wise, so they may not have big needs for AC.

For example, LTE/4G in the iPhone 5 was Big in the us. But here in Denmark we have had 3G speeds of 30-40mbit everywhere in the country for like 5 years. LTE is not a really big change here. I get about 50mbit on my iPhone 5.

However, the broadband internet is in rapid development. The slowest internet I can get in my apartment is a 60/60mbit fiber. I have an 100/100mbit fiber connection for 25$/month. But 1gbit connections are not far away.

Especially on university campus, there is a 2gbit connection. They have already put up 802.11ac wifi, so I'm just waiting on the updated rMBP to get the goodies!

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I could really need some ac now! Almost 38c in the sun!

In Danemark, the population number is 5M, and people pay 40%+ of income tax... Cars and electronic are also expensive... The good is there are no homeless unless people wish to...

Hvad hadder du... Hvad koma fra... The only two sentences I know in danish... :D
 
In Danemark, the population number is 5M, and people pay 40%+ of income tax... Cars and electronic are also expensive... The good is there are no homeless unless people wish to...

Hvad hadder du... Hvad koma fra... The only two sentences I know in danish... :D

"Hvad hedder du" and "Hvor kommer du fra" are the correct sentences ;-) But yeah, if you said that, any dane would probably understand you :p

And yeah, we pay a LOT of taxes on everything, but it's part of the healthcare system we have. Free school (and university), students of 18+ gets paid when going to school (about $1000/month), and free hospitals + more (if you loose your job, you'll also get money from the state). But the internet and 3G/LTE are not the state's, but private companies, so has nothing to do with taxes. :)
 
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